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@Kirwan said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@Stargazer said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Interview with Ross Tucker
The science on transgender sport
The Detail talks to the person whose scientific work informed World Rugby's controversial new proposed policy.
Good to see detailed analysis and stats to back up what is essentially a common sense argument.
As has been said before, I think we will end up with an open class and a biological womans class. If we don't, that's the end of woman's sport.
It's what I should be, but I just can't see it unfortunately.
Anything where trans people aren't treated 100% as the gender they have converted too is smashed down hard as transphobic. It's only a matter of time until there is a scientific led report which states that if you take xxx of xxxx drugs over a period of xxx time then no longer have any biological advantage & any other research is widely discredited.
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@MajorRage said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@Kirwan said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@Stargazer said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Interview with Ross Tucker
The science on transgender sport
The Detail talks to the person whose scientific work informed World Rugby's controversial new proposed policy.
Good to see detailed analysis and stats to back up what is essentially a common sense argument.
As has been said before, I think we will end up with an open class and a biological womans class. If we don't, that's the end of woman's sport.
It's what I should be, but I just can't see it unfortunately.
Anything where trans people aren't treated 100% as the gender they have converted too is smashed down hard as transphobic. It's only a matter of time until there is a scientific led report which states that if you take xxx of xxxx drugs over a period of xxx time then no longer have any biological advantage & any other research is widely discredited.
In MMA and perhaps Rugby, will only be a matter of time before a biological woman is severly injured by a trans woman then.
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World Rugby approves updated transgender participation guidelines
World Rugby has approved updated transgender participation guidelines following a comprehensive, collaborative and transparent review of its existing guidance.
The new guidelines [which can be accessed here] cover the participation of transgender athletes in men’s and women’s contact rugby where it is possible to do so safely and fairly.
As with many other sports, the physiological differences between males and females necessitate dedicated men’s and women’s contact rugby categories for safety and performance reasons. Given the best available evidence for the effects of testosterone reduction on these physical attributes for transgender women, it was concluded that safety and fairness cannot presently be assured for women competing against transwomen in contact rugby.
As a result, the new guidelines do not recommend that transwomen play women’s contact rugby on safety grounds at the elite and international level of the game where size, strength, power and speed are crucial for both risk and performance, but do not preclude national unions from flexibility in their application of the guidelines at the domestic/community level of the game. Transmen are permitted to participate in men’s contact rugby.
World Rugby is committed to regularly reviewing the guidance to monitor and consider any new evidence or research in an inclusive and collaborative manner. This commitment includes the funding and support of more rugby-specific transgender research to further inform injury risk.
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@Stargazer Good! Common sense prevails. It's not about exclusion(though once upon a time it probably was). It's about player welfare.
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@raznomore Yes, indeed. It will be interesting to see what NZR is going to decide about domestic/community rugby. I understand they're not keen on an outright ban on participation of transwomen in women's rugby, but not sure what they do want or under which conditions.
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New Zealand Rugby's Chief Transformation Officer Nicki Nicol told NZME that the decision wasn't one they entirely agreed with.
"New Zealand Rugby provided World Rugby with feedback on transgender participation guidelines, having considered feedback from various transgender and women's sport advocacy groups.
"Our feedback to World Rugby was that a more inclusive approach could be taken. And, while we support the focus on the safety of rugby, we aren't convinced the research presented to date shows transwomen present a significantly greater safety risk in women's elite and international competitions.
"World Rugby's guidelines don't apply to our community game here in New Zealand and we're committed to ensuring the game's inclusive and safe for all. We know there is more work to do and we want to get it right. We will be consulting more broadly and doing more work to develop guidelines that are relevant for New Zealand communities."
'Complex and emotive': World Rugby's new stance on transgender women
World Rugby is the first international sports federation to say they cannot compete.
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@Stargazer said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
having considered feedback from various transgender and women's sport advocacy groups
But not, say, scientists...
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@Stargazer said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
New Zealand Rugby's Chief Transformation Officer Nicki Nicol told NZME that the decision wasn't one they entirely agreed with.
"New Zealand Rugby provided World Rugby with feedback on transgender participation guidelines, having considered feedback from various transgender and women's sport advocacy groups.
"Our feedback to World Rugby was that a more inclusive approach could be taken. And, while we support the focus on the safety of rugby, we aren't convinced the research presented to date shows transwomen present a significantly greater safety risk in women's elite and international competitions.
"World Rugby's guidelines don't apply to our community game here in New Zealand and we're committed to ensuring the game's inclusive and safe for all. We know there is more work to do and we want to get it right. We will be consulting more broadly and doing more work to develop guidelines that are relevant for New Zealand communities."
'Complex and emotive': World Rugby's new stance on transgender women
World Rugby is the first international sports federation to say they cannot compete.
And the evidence continues to accumulate that NZR is run by morons.
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@Stargazer said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@TeWaio Apparently, NZR is still sitting on the fence and wants more research, too.
Woke dipshits
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@TeWaio said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Bonkers, isn't this incredibly dangerous?
RFU clears trans women to keep playing domestic women's rugby in England
Trans women will still be allowed to play women’s rugby at all levels of the game in England after the RFU decided that more evidence was needed before implementing World Rugby’s ban
I think it just puts the onus at the club level.
People will refuse to play and it will be detrimental to the game. The team with bloke in it, will be known as the team with a bloke in it and players won't go on the pitch. It's a proper proper shoot yourself in the foot situation.
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@TeWaio said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Bonkers, isn't this incredibly dangerous?
RFU clears trans women to keep playing domestic women's rugby in England
Trans women will still be allowed to play women’s rugby at all levels of the game in England after the RFU decided that more evidence was needed before implementing World Rugby’s ban
Dogma-driven arseholes.....
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@sparky said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@TeWaio said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Bonkers, isn't this incredibly dangerous?
RFU clears trans women to keep playing domestic women's rugby in England
Trans women will still be allowed to play women’s rugby at all levels of the game in England after the RFU decided that more evidence was needed before implementing World Rugby’s ban
Dogma-driven arseholes.....
Probably saw the flack Harry Potter Rowling copped when she commented on this issue and thought best to avoid the furore. Personally I would have thought player welfare should come well before the insane rantings of a very vocal but tiny minority, but I guess mob rule rules the day, even if that mob is nothing more than a bunch of angry morons on a keyboard.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@sparky said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@TeWaio said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Bonkers, isn't this incredibly dangerous?
RFU clears trans women to keep playing domestic women's rugby in England
Trans women will still be allowed to play women’s rugby at all levels of the game in England after the RFU decided that more evidence was needed before implementing World Rugby’s ban
Dogma-driven arseholes.....
angry morons on a keyboard.
Hey! Just where do you think you posted that?
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@Machpants said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@sparky said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@TeWaio said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Bonkers, isn't this incredibly dangerous?
RFU clears trans women to keep playing domestic women's rugby in England
Trans women will still be allowed to play women’s rugby at all levels of the game in England after the RFU decided that more evidence was needed before implementing World Rugby’s ban
Dogma-driven arseholes.....
angry morons on a keyboard.
Hey! Just where do you think you posted that?
That's why they should just be ignored! Imagine if the NZRFU made decisions based on the opinions here? Foster would have been "cancelled" by Sunday night. That's effectively what's happening with issues like this and others.
Transgender debate, in sport, in general
