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NPC v Super Rugby

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  • sharkS Offline
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    NPC all day, every day. Opportunity also for NZR to boost sponsorship dollars: bye bye M10 unless you want to pony-up.

    I don't know if I share your pessimism re Ta$man, Chris B. Your top XV would still compare highly favourably to any other.

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      NPC all day every day, which given my teams lack of success since, well, ever, is plain odd!! 🤔

      Having a solitary AB back for us would be huge.

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      • sharkS shark

        NPC all day, every day. Opportunity also for NZR to boost sponsorship dollars: bye bye M10 unless you want to pony-up.

        I don't know if I share your pessimism re Ta$man, Chris B. Your top XV would still compare highly favourably to any other.

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        @shark I'm not particularly pessimistic about Ta$man's chances - but, without ABs involved it might have been a cakewalk to the 2020 title - especially if Ta$man players on the fringe of AB selection didn't make it! 🙂

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          I don't know whether this poll reflects the NZ general opinion since NPC is played in front of empty seats.

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            I don't know whether this poll reflects the NZ general opinion since NPC is played in front of empty seats.

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            @cgrant Would the stands still sit empty if it was the premier competition and the best players were available?

            Guess you could argue the best players aren't available for Super rugby either but the crowds are disappearing from that too....

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              Super makes more money because of SATV rights, but either would do well in a post-Covid world due to pent up demand and limited supply (in terms of top flight matches per year).

              If we could actually choose either, I would select NPC because of the Ranfurly Shield.

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              • GodderG Godder

                Super makes more money because of SATV rights, but either would do well in a post-Covid world due to pent up demand and limited supply (in terms of top flight matches per year).

                If we could actually choose either, I would select NPC because of the Ranfurly Shield.

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                @Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:

                If we could actually choose either, I would select NPC because of the Ranfurly Shield.

                The what?

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                  If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.

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                  • HoorooH Hooroo

                    If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.

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                    @Hooroo Sounds like a winner. 🤣

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                    • HoorooH Hooroo

                      If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.

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                      @Hooroo

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                        @Stargazer For the better of the competition. A smaller economical comp is better than no comp. Would generate revenue too.

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                        • HoorooH Hooroo

                          @Stargazer For the better of the competition. A smaller economical comp is better than no comp. Would generate revenue too.

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                          @Hooroo I suggested earlier to shorten the comp by scratching cross-over games. That's as far as I would want to go. The unions in the Championship need the income, too, and their SR players and ABs need to play.

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                            @Hooroo I suggested earlier to shorten the comp by scratching cross-over games. That's as far as I would want to go. The unions in the Championship need the income, too, and their SR players and ABs need to play.

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                            @Stargazer said in NPC v Super Rugby:

                            @Hooroo I suggested earlier to shorten the comp by scratching cross-over games. That's as far as I would want to go. The unions in the Championship need the income, too, and their SR players and ABs need to play.

                            Everyone needs the income so that is a mute point.

                            I would assume they would be allowed to loan their AB's to the playing provinces.

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                            • HoorooH Hooroo

                              @Stargazer said in NPC v Super Rugby:

                              @Hooroo I suggested earlier to shorten the comp by scratching cross-over games. That's as far as I would want to go. The unions in the Championship need the income, too, and their SR players and ABs need to play.

                              Everyone needs the income so that is a mute point.

                              I would assume they would be allowed to loan their AB's to the playing provinces.

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                              @Hooroo Yeah, nah.

                              If this scenario would happen, I'd boycot all games and rather watch the replays on my MySky.

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                                @Hooroo Yeah, nah.

                                If this scenario would happen, I'd boycot all games and rather watch the replays on my MySky.

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                                @Stargazer said in NPC v Super Rugby:

                                @Hooroo Yeah, nah.

                                If this scenario would happen, I'd boycot all games and rather watch the replays on my MySky.

                                But that doesn't matter. In a time with no sport, only a small % would be like you. Everyone else would be hanging out for something to watch.

                                Its worth an email to NZRU a an option, I think. (Have too much time on my hands obviously)

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                                  It'd have to be a full round-robin, and six team finals series. No byes required so this would take 16 weeks. It could theoretically start Friday July 31st and finish Saturday Nov 14th. This is only two weeks later than the NPC used to finish, and assuming there's no EOYT, then why not go into November?

                                  Provincial squads at full strength - or better than full strength if NH contracted players are able to play - playing in good weather come October (ala Feb and March in SR) would draw fantastic crowds and would be a wonderful panacea for many unions and NZR.

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                                  • HoorooH Hooroo

                                    @Stargazer said in NPC v Super Rugby:

                                    @Hooroo Yeah, nah.

                                    If this scenario would happen, I'd boycot all games and rather watch the replays on my MySky.

                                    But that doesn't matter. In a time with no sport, only a small % would be like you. Everyone else would be hanging out for something to watch.

                                    Its worth an email to NZRU a an option, I think. (Have too much time on my hands obviously)

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                                    @Hooroo I know this is just a wind-up, but there's a way better way to ensure that the best players, particularly ABs, get quality game time, if a 14 team NPC is not possible: a NZ-only SR competition.

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                                      So the ABs won't be playing this season?

                                      The July tests and RC won't happen if players from both hemispheres aren't playing regularly beforehand and there are still international travel restrictions in place. The ABs would only go on an EOYT if they had a revenue sharing agreement in place to replace lost income from cancelled domestic tests.

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                                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                        So the ABs won't be playing this season?

                                        The July tests and RC won't happen if players from both hemispheres aren't playing regularly beforehand and there are still international travel restrictions in place. The ABs would only go on an EOYT if they had a revenue sharing agreement in place to replace lost income from cancelled domestic tests.

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                                        @Bovidae I don't think any decision about EOYTs has been made, but some European countries may take much longer to recover from COVID19 than experts in the South expect it to last over here.

                                        Btw, I've seen suggestions from Australia - not sure who posted them - to have a 5-test Bledisloe Cup at the end of the year, if Northern EOYTs aren't possible, but trans- Ta$man tests are feasible. Three in Oz, two in NZ. Might be worth considering. Maybe add a test against Fiji.

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                                        • StargazerS Stargazer

                                          @Bovidae I don't think any decision about EOYTs has been made, but some European countries may take much longer to recover from COVID19 than experts in the South expect it to last over here.

                                          Btw, I've seen suggestions from Australia - not sure who posted them - to have a 5-test Bledisloe Cup at the end of the year, if Northern EOYTs aren't possible, but trans- Ta$man tests are feasible. Three in Oz, two in NZ. Might be worth considering. Maybe add a test against Fiji.

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                                          @Stargazer No decision has been made about the July tests and RC either, at least that have been made public. You can bet the respective unions are having regular discussions about the different scenarios but it is such a fluid situation that will be unique to each country, so they can't make any plans.

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