World Rugby Board elections
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Not stirring here: why not tell World Rugby to go get fucked?
It’s a closed shop and will never be anything except that - it’s in the NH teams interest to stay together and buy any support they need from poor Nations, then run rough shod over the teams which make the World Cup a truly premium product.
Why not get a few Nations together (I.e., SANZAAR, Japan, South Pacific) and start the ‘international rugby association’ (ok, that might not abbreviate that well) and just start a new World Nations competition with someone like Amazon behind us?
Stimulate it with a matching e-sports competition using players in a game derived from said World Nations competition and get way ahead in streaming and e-sports (switch etc) while they continue to focus on boomers?
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@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Crucial I don't think it's often that people sit on boards of direct competitors.
NRL isn't a direct competitor to WR. I think that is an over-reach.
NRL is a domestic competition with limited international appeal.
It gets closer at Sanzaar and NZRU levels but on the world stage and decisions about the world game, not so much.
Very direct competitor with Australian rugby, though - and as you point out, to a lesser (though not small) extent with Sanzaar.
When WR starts discussing the commercial aspects of how they're going to rescue Sanzaar and Australian rugby is Bart going to have to leave the room?
That I don't know as I don't know the board's 'rules of engagement'.
To think that NZR aren't aware of how that would work though and haven't thought it through is pretty insulting to them (hence the reason they felt strongly enough to publicly berate Reason)
@Crucial I'm sure they thought about it.
But, I certainly didn't know anything about it until Reason raised it. I'd never heard of Bart and I had no idea he was also on the board of NZ rugby.
So I think Reason has actually done them a service - and us a service - by calling Impey to account. As Impey himself notes, rugby administration (and especially its gin-swilling perception) is an old boys club, so the more the tree is shaken - the better. Transparency is a key principle of good governance.
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Not stirring here: why not tell World Rugby to go get fucked?
It’s a closed shop and will never be anything except that - it’s in the NH teams interest to stay together and buy any support they need from poor Nations, then run rough shod over the teams which make the World Cup a truly premium product.
Why not get a few Nations together (I.e., SANZAAR, Japan, South Pacific) and start the ‘international rugby association’ (ok, that might not abbreviate that well) and just start a new World Nations competition with someone like Amazon behind us?
Stimulate it with a matching e-sports competition using players in a game derived from said World Nations competition and get way ahead in streaming and e-sports (switch etc) while they continue to focus on boomers?
Who do you think Japan voted for? They would have been one of the swing votes.
Fiji and Samoa voted for Beaumont, and maybe Oceania did too so they might be happy with the status quo and promises made.
Pichot (16 votes)
Argentina (3)
Australia (3)
New Zealand (3)
Canada (1)
United States (1)
Uruguay (1)
South America (2)
Americas North (2)Beaumont (24 votes)
England (3)
France (3)
Ireland (3)
Italy (3)
Scotland (3)
Wales (3)
Georgia (1)
Fiji (1)
Samoa (1)
Romania (1)
Europe (2)Unknown (11 votes)
South Africa (3)
Japan (2)
Africa (2)
Asia (2)
Oceania (2)Beaumont only needed an extra 4 votes so it could have been Japan and Asia that got him over the line.
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Who do you think Japan voted for? They would have been one of the swing votes.
Fiji and Samoa voted for Beaumont, and maybe Oceania did too so they might be happy with the status quo and promises made.
Pichot (16 votes)
Argentina (3)
Australia (3)
New Zealand (3)
Canada (1)
United States (1)
Uruguay (1)
South America (2)
Americas North (2)Beaumont (24 votes)
England (3)
France (3)
Ireland (3)
Italy (3)
Scotland (3)
Wales (3)
Georgia (1)
Fiji (1)
Samoa (1)
Romania (1)
Europe (2)Unknown (11 votes)
South Africa (3)
Japan (2)
Africa (2)
Asia (2)
Oceania (2)Beaumont only needed an extra 4 votes so it could have been Japan and Asia that got him over the line.
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Who do you think Japan voted for? They would have been one of the swing votes.
Fiji and Samoa voted for Beaumont, and maybe Oceania did too so they might be happy with the status quo and promises made.
Pichot (16 votes)
Argentina (3)
Australia (3)
New Zealand (3)
Canada (1)
United States (1)
Uruguay (1)
South America (2)
Americas North (2)Beaumont (24 votes)
England (3)
France (3)
Ireland (3)
Italy (3)
Scotland (3)
Wales (3)
Georgia (1)
Fiji (1)
Samoa (1)
Romania (1)
Europe (2)Unknown (11 votes)
South Africa (3)
Japan (2)
Africa (2)
Asia (2)
Oceania (2)Beaumont only needed an extra 4 votes so it could have been Japan and Asia that got him over the line.
@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.
So, Bill got two of the remaining 4.
I guess if you see England playing a test against Tonga....
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Who do you think Japan voted for? They would have been one of the swing votes.
Fiji and Samoa voted for Beaumont, and maybe Oceania did too so they might be happy with the status quo and promises made.
Pichot (16 votes)
Argentina (3)
Australia (3)
New Zealand (3)
Canada (1)
United States (1)
Uruguay (1)
South America (2)
Americas North (2)Beaumont (24 votes)
England (3)
France (3)
Ireland (3)
Italy (3)
Scotland (3)
Wales (3)
Georgia (1)
Fiji (1)
Samoa (1)
Romania (1)
Europe (2)Unknown (11 votes)
South Africa (3)
Japan (2)
Africa (2)
Asia (2)
Oceania (2)Beaumont only needed an extra 4 votes so it could have been Japan and Asia that got him over the line.
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@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Kirwan How much of their business was competing vs complemetary at the time?
Smart phones at least. Apple also tried to kickstart cloud services back in they day (that sucked). Plenty of overlap.
@Kirwan said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Kirwan How much of their business was competing vs complemetary at the time?
Smart phones at least. Apple also tried to kickstart cloud services back in they day (that sucked). Plenty of overlap.
Though happily for me, Google's search engine is still pretty good - and helps illustrate both sides of the case - i.e. that eventually a conflict of interest threshold can get crossed.
https://techcrunch.com/2009/08/03/google-ceo-eric-schmidt-resigns-from-apple-board-surprised/
Question in the rugby vs league one is where that threshold lies.
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@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.
So, Bill got two of the remaining 4.
I guess if you see England playing a test against Tonga....
@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.
I agree. The question is whether Africa voted with SA and if Oceania followed Fiji and Samoa or NZ and Aust.
Google says that the Asia rep is Ada Milby from the Philippines, the Oceania rep is Richard Sapias from PNG, and the Africa rep is Abdelaziz Bougja from Morocco.
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@Bovidae That does it then, fuck the PIs going forward, lets just cap every NZer of Samoan/Tongan ancestry even if it's just once. :winking_face:
@Nepia said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Bovidae That does it then, fuck the PIs going forward, lets just cap every NZer of Samoan/Tongan ancestry even if it's just once. :winking_face:
Beaumont's promise to revisit the eligibility rule appears to have been the sweetner for Fiji and Samoa. Until Scotland and Italy vote against it...
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Who do you think Japan voted for? They would have been one of the swing votes.
Fiji and Samoa voted for Beaumont, and maybe Oceania did too so they might be happy with the status quo and promises made.
Pichot (16 votes)
Argentina (3)
Australia (3)
New Zealand (3)
Canada (1)
United States (1)
Uruguay (1)
South America (2)
Americas North (2)Beaumont (24 votes)
England (3)
France (3)
Ireland (3)
Italy (3)
Scotland (3)
Wales (3)
Georgia (1)
Fiji (1)
Samoa (1)
Romania (1)
Europe (2)Unknown (11 votes)
South Africa (3)
Japan (2)
Africa (2)
Asia (2)
Oceania (2)Beaumont only needed an extra 4 votes so it could have been Japan and Asia that got him over the line.
@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:
Who do you think Japan voted for? They would have been one of the swing votes.
Fiji and Samoa voted for Beaumont, and maybe Oceania did too so they might be happy with the status quo and promises made.
Pichot (16 votes)
Argentina (3)
Australia (3)
New Zealand (3)
Canada (1)
United States (1)
Uruguay (1)
South America (2)
Americas North (2)Beaumont (24 votes)
England (3)
France (3)
Ireland (3)
Italy (3)
Scotland (3)
Wales (3)
Georgia (1)
Fiji (1)
Samoa (1)
Romania (1)
Europe (2)Unknown (11 votes)
South Africa (3)
Japan (2)
Africa (2)
Asia (2)
Oceania (2)Beaumont only needed an extra 4 votes so it could have been Japan and Asia that got him over the line.
28-23
Japan voted Beaumont.
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@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.
So, Bill got two of the remaining 4.
I guess if you see England playing a test against Tonga....
I think Oceania voted Gus. Tonga don't have a vote.
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@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.
I agree. The question is whether Africa voted with SA and if Oceania followed Fiji and Samoa or NZ and Aust.
Google says that the Asia rep is Ada Milby from the Philippines, the Oceania rep is Richard Sapias from PNG, and the Africa rep is Abdelaziz Bougja from Morocco.
@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.
I agree. The question is whether Africa voted with SA and if Oceania followed Fiji and Samoa or NZ and Aust.
Google says that the Asia rep is Ada Milby from the Philippines, the Oceania rep is Richard Sapias from PNG, and the Africa rep is Abdelaziz Bougja from Morocco.
See post above. Oceania voted Gus
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@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:
Who do you think Japan voted for? They would have been one of the swing votes.
Fiji and Samoa voted for Beaumont, and maybe Oceania did too so they might be happy with the status quo and promises made.
Pichot (16 votes)
Argentina (3)
Australia (3)
New Zealand (3)
Canada (1)
United States (1)
Uruguay (1)
South America (2)
Americas North (2)Beaumont (24 votes)
England (3)
France (3)
Ireland (3)
Italy (3)
Scotland (3)
Wales (3)
Georgia (1)
Fiji (1)
Samoa (1)
Romania (1)
Europe (2)Unknown (11 votes)
South Africa (3)
Japan (2)
Africa (2)
Asia (2)
Oceania (2)Beaumont only needed an extra 4 votes so it could have been Japan and Asia that got him over the line.
28-23
Japan voted Beaumont.
Then fuck them too. Probably pay back for the SWs and the SANZAAR missed opportunity to extend the RC competition and bring both Japan and Fiji into the tent - those two votes would probably make the SANZAR bloc as strong as the 6N.
Another missed opportunity.
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@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.
I agree. The question is whether Africa voted with SA and if Oceania followed Fiji and Samoa or NZ and Aust.
Google says that the Asia rep is Ada Milby from the Philippines, the Oceania rep is Richard Sapias from PNG, and the Africa rep is Abdelaziz Bougja from Morocco.
See post above. Oceania voted Gus
@booboo So you reckon Asia and Japan voted for Beaumont?
NZR's statement:
NZR Chair, Brent Impey said: “We have a great respect for Bill Beaumont as an individual, and we look forward to continuing to work with him to grow the game globally and keep rugby sustainable across all borders. “We are of course disappointed for Agustin Pichot as he had our vote, and it is important to us that whoever won the election will heed the calls for change to the game. “Gus ran a strong campaign and gave his best effort in a highly principled manner and that is all that can be asked, so we are proud of him. “There is still a level of governance reform that is overdue, and it would be good to see the courage taken to make the decisions needed to ensure the continued sustainability and success of rugby globally – not just for a limited number of Unions and regions.” -
@booboo So you reckon Asia and Japan voted for Beaumont?
NZR's statement:
NZR Chair, Brent Impey said: “We have a great respect for Bill Beaumont as an individual, and we look forward to continuing to work with him to grow the game globally and keep rugby sustainable across all borders. “We are of course disappointed for Agustin Pichot as he had our vote, and it is important to us that whoever won the election will heed the calls for change to the game. “Gus ran a strong campaign and gave his best effort in a highly principled manner and that is all that can be asked, so we are proud of him. “There is still a level of governance reform that is overdue, and it would be good to see the courage taken to make the decisions needed to ensure the continued sustainability and success of rugby globally – not just for a limited number of Unions and regions.”Sources close to Pichot believed the vote was as close as 24-23 in Beaumont’s favour when Japan and Rugby Africa were yet to declare their intentions, but both have backed the incumbent. -
@booboo So you reckon Asia and Japan voted for Beaumont?
NZR's statement:
NZR Chair, Brent Impey said: “We have a great respect for Bill Beaumont as an individual, and we look forward to continuing to work with him to grow the game globally and keep rugby sustainable across all borders. “We are of course disappointed for Agustin Pichot as he had our vote, and it is important to us that whoever won the election will heed the calls for change to the game. “Gus ran a strong campaign and gave his best effort in a highly principled manner and that is all that can be asked, so we are proud of him. “There is still a level of governance reform that is overdue, and it would be good to see the courage taken to make the decisions needed to ensure the continued sustainability and success of rugby globally – not just for a limited number of Unions and regions.”@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:
@booboo So you reckon Asia and Japan voted for Beaumont?
NZR's statement:
NZR Chair, Brent Impey said: “We have a great respect for Bill Beaumont as an individual, and we look forward to continuing to work with him to grow the game globally and keep rugby sustainable across all borders. “We are of course disappointed for Agustin Pichot as he had our vote, and it is important to us that whoever won the election will heed the calls for change to the game. “Gus ran a strong campaign and gave his best effort in a highly principled manner and that is all that can be asked, so we are proud of him. **“There is still a level of governance reform that is overdue, and it would be good to see the courage taken to make the decisions needed to ensure the continued sustainability and success of rugby globally – not just for a limited number of Unions and regions.”**Think Asia voted Gus.
Chris Jones talking to Devlin just after 12 said:
- PIs (Fiji, Samoa and Oceania) split their votes 2-2
- Asia (Japan and Asia) split their votes 2-2
