'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy Yeah except, bringing you back to the rational world, the whole starting premise was that NZRU needs someone else to play with...
If they didn't they would have told us to shove it ages ago.
Perfectly rational thanks. Aus need someone to play with too...
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We will probably end up with domestic SR comps next season the way covid is hanging around maybe with extra byes and slightly bigger squads.
By 2022 I am sure we will see a trans tasmen comp, with a PI team included wether that is 4 Aussie teams or 5 giving us a bye with The PI team making 11 remains in negotiation.
In the end domestic comps will not work past one more year for many reasons broadcasting monies, Sustainability of the domestic product etc.Player welfare.
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We will probably end up with domestic SR comps next season the way covid is hanging around maybe with extra byes and slightly bigger squads.
By 2022 I am sure we will see a trans tasmen comp, with a PI team included wether that is 4 Aussie teams or 5 giving us a bye with The PI team making 11 remains in negotiation.
In the end domestic comps will not work past one more year for many reasons broadcasting monies, Sustainability of the domestic product etc.Player welfare.
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Super Rugby Aotearoa: Australian billionaire linked to sensational bid for sixth New Zealand franchise in 2021
Liam Napier
Could there be six Kiwi teams in Super Rugby in 2021? A New Zealand provincial rugby union is making a bold play to join next season – and Australian mining billionaire Andrew Forrest is on board. Liam Napier reports
The Bay of Plenty Rugby Union, in conjunction with Australian mining billionaire Andrew Forrest, is believed to have made a bold expression of interest to potentially form a sixth New Zealand Super Rugby team next year - as D-Day to determine the future of the game's domestic landscape fast approaches.
The Herald understands the Bay of Plenty union is involved with a consortium which includes Chinese investment and Global Rapid Rugby, the competition owned by Forrest, to launch a sixth New Zealand team for 2021.
Forrest, one of Australia's richest people with an estimated net worth of $7.5 billion, started Global Rapid Rugby last year before the 2020 edition was canceled due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
Last month, New Zealand Rugby outlined a future model for Super Rugby based on the results of the Aratipu Report, which favours a competition between eight and 10 teams including the five Kiwi franchises.
NZR said it has a "huge desire" to include a Pasifika team, while the rest of the competition would be made up by Australian rugby sides (between two to four teams).
With the NZ Rugby board set to meet next weekend to review the bids and determine a format for 2021, time is running out to get a sixth Kiwi team off the ground.
Bay of Plenty rugby chief executive Mike Rogers did not return calls but several senior NZ Rugby sources confirmed negotiations between the respective parties were on-going.
Earlier this year, the Bay of Plenty union teamed up with the China Rugby Football Association to form the China Lions - the final team added to Forrest's Global Rapid Rugby.
The vision for the Lions was to help retain New Zealand talent by providing another pathway outside Super Rugby. The team's home base was to be Rotorua Stadium but they managed one outing before Covid-19 travel restrictions hit, defeating a team of local Fijian players 29-22 in Suva.
With the structures for the Lions already in place it is believed Bay of Plenty has decided to push ahead and express interest in the team joining the five established New Zealand Super Rugby sides next year.
This latest development comes after the Herald revealed the Asia Pacific Dragons, who were also involved in Global Rapid Rugby in 2019, logged a separate expression of interest with NZ Rugby to join Super Rugby from 2022.
There are, however, major concerns surrounding the competitiveness of both the Bay of Plenty-led China Lions and Asian Pacific Dragons when pitted against the quality of the Crusaders, Blues, Highlanders, Hurricanes and the Chiefs.
The other potential sixth New Zealand-based Super Rugby team next year is a Pacific side. Several options are on the table, with NZ Rugby committed to this venture at some stage.
The Herald understands a feasibility study is being conducted to determine what it would take to ensure a Pacific team is viable and whether it would be ready by 2021 or 2022.
The Tracy Atiga-led Kanaloa Hawai'i bid is understood to have been asked to collaborate with others.
It seems increasingly likely Super Rugby Aotearoa may be forced to continue with the status quo and the addition of more bye weeks in a March to May window.
Should that holding pattern scenario eventuate the expressions of interest approach to NZR's initial vision for an eight-to-10 team Super Rugby competition next year will ultimately hit a brick wall, and largely serve to aggravate their long established Sanzaar partners.
Rugby Australia remains steadfast in refusing to drop any of its five franchises for a potential transtasman joint venture partnership, while South Africa Rugby is also believed to be miffed by the NZR's "go it alone" approach amid the financially challenging Covid-19 confines.
While domestic competitions for the respective Sanzaar partners appear the likely approach for 2021, plans remain in place for a regional cross-over tournament involving the leading sides from New Zealand, Australia, Japan and Argentina. Travel restrictions permitting, this cross-over tournament could be staged during the middle of the domestic competitions or at their conclusion.
The major caveat hanging over future plans, particularly for 2022 and beyond, is the fact broadcast deals need to be renegotiated.
For NZR that comes with a price tag of $500 million over the next five years.
The deal sold to Sky Television last year for a 14-team round-robin Super Rugby format from 2021 to 2025 is now obsolete, and NZR will be desperate to retain the same level of investment from their broadcast partner.
While Sky now has less content, NZR will argue the quality is vastly enhanced which is reflected by the 65 per cent lift in viewership figures for Super Rugby Aotearoa.
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Super Rugby Aotearoa: Australian billionaire linked to sensational bid for sixth New Zealand franchise in 2021
Liam Napier
Could there be six Kiwi teams in Super Rugby in 2021? A New Zealand provincial rugby union is making a bold play to join next season – and Australian mining billionaire Andrew Forrest is on board. Liam Napier reports
The Bay of Plenty Rugby Union, in conjunction with Australian mining billionaire Andrew Forrest, is believed to have made a bold expression of interest to potentially form a sixth New Zealand Super Rugby team next year - as D-Day to determine the future of the game's domestic landscape fast approaches.
The Herald understands the Bay of Plenty union is involved with a consortium which includes Chinese investment and Global Rapid Rugby, the competition owned by Forrest, to launch a sixth New Zealand team for 2021.
Forrest, one of Australia's richest people with an estimated net worth of $7.5 billion, started Global Rapid Rugby last year before the 2020 edition was canceled due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
Last month, New Zealand Rugby outlined a future model for Super Rugby based on the results of the Aratipu Report, which favours a competition between eight and 10 teams including the five Kiwi franchises.
NZR said it has a "huge desire" to include a Pasifika team, while the rest of the competition would be made up by Australian rugby sides (between two to four teams).
With the NZ Rugby board set to meet next weekend to review the bids and determine a format for 2021, time is running out to get a sixth Kiwi team off the ground.
Bay of Plenty rugby chief executive Mike Rogers did not return calls but several senior NZ Rugby sources confirmed negotiations between the respective parties were on-going.
Earlier this year, the Bay of Plenty union teamed up with the China Rugby Football Association to form the China Lions - the final team added to Forrest's Global Rapid Rugby.
The vision for the Lions was to help retain New Zealand talent by providing another pathway outside Super Rugby. The team's home base was to be Rotorua Stadium but they managed one outing before Covid-19 travel restrictions hit, defeating a team of local Fijian players 29-22 in Suva.
With the structures for the Lions already in place it is believed Bay of Plenty has decided to push ahead and express interest in the team joining the five established New Zealand Super Rugby sides next year.
This latest development comes after the Herald revealed the Asia Pacific Dragons, who were also involved in Global Rapid Rugby in 2019, logged a separate expression of interest with NZ Rugby to join Super Rugby from 2022.
There are, however, major concerns surrounding the competitiveness of both the Bay of Plenty-led China Lions and Asian Pacific Dragons when pitted against the quality of the Crusaders, Blues, Highlanders, Hurricanes and the Chiefs.
The other potential sixth New Zealand-based Super Rugby team next year is a Pacific side. Several options are on the table, with NZ Rugby committed to this venture at some stage.
The Herald understands a feasibility study is being conducted to determine what it would take to ensure a Pacific team is viable and whether it would be ready by 2021 or 2022.
The Tracy Atiga-led Kanaloa Hawai'i bid is understood to have been asked to collaborate with others.
It seems increasingly likely Super Rugby Aotearoa may be forced to continue with the status quo and the addition of more bye weeks in a March to May window.
Should that holding pattern scenario eventuate the expressions of interest approach to NZR's initial vision for an eight-to-10 team Super Rugby competition next year will ultimately hit a brick wall, and largely serve to aggravate their long established Sanzaar partners.
Rugby Australia remains steadfast in refusing to drop any of its five franchises for a potential transtasman joint venture partnership, while South Africa Rugby is also believed to be miffed by the NZR's "go it alone" approach amid the financially challenging Covid-19 confines.
While domestic competitions for the respective Sanzaar partners appear the likely approach for 2021, plans remain in place for a regional cross-over tournament involving the leading sides from New Zealand, Australia, Japan and Argentina. Travel restrictions permitting, this cross-over tournament could be staged during the middle of the domestic competitions or at their conclusion.
The major caveat hanging over future plans, particularly for 2022 and beyond, is the fact broadcast deals need to be renegotiated.
For NZR that comes with a price tag of $500 million over the next five years.
The deal sold to Sky Television last year for a 14-team round-robin Super Rugby format from 2021 to 2025 is now obsolete, and NZR will be desperate to retain the same level of investment from their broadcast partner.
While Sky now has less content, NZR will argue the quality is vastly enhanced which is reflected by the 65 per cent lift in viewership figures for Super Rugby Aotearoa.
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@Yeetyaah said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Tim fuuuuck we really don't need a 6th SR team
No we don't,the last thing we need to dilute our depth even more and weaken the comp
Forrest can fuck off at stay with the Force.Example were would the Chiefs and Highlanders stand if there were even less decent players to pick from.They need to rebuild a bit.
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Super Rugby Aotearoa: Australian billionaire linked to sensational bid for sixth New Zealand franchise in 2021
Liam Napier
Could there be six Kiwi teams in Super Rugby in 2021? A New Zealand provincial rugby union is making a bold play to join next season – and Australian mining billionaire Andrew Forrest is on board. Liam Napier reports
The Bay of Plenty Rugby Union, in conjunction with Australian mining billionaire Andrew Forrest, is believed to have made a bold expression of interest to potentially form a sixth New Zealand Super Rugby team next year - as D-Day to determine the future of the game's domestic landscape fast approaches.
The Herald understands the Bay of Plenty union is involved with a consortium which includes Chinese investment and Global Rapid Rugby, the competition owned by Forrest, to launch a sixth New Zealand team for 2021.
Forrest, one of Australia's richest people with an estimated net worth of $7.5 billion, started Global Rapid Rugby last year before the 2020 edition was canceled due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
Last month, New Zealand Rugby outlined a future model for Super Rugby based on the results of the Aratipu Report, which favours a competition between eight and 10 teams including the five Kiwi franchises.
NZR said it has a "huge desire" to include a Pasifika team, while the rest of the competition would be made up by Australian rugby sides (between two to four teams).
With the NZ Rugby board set to meet next weekend to review the bids and determine a format for 2021, time is running out to get a sixth Kiwi team off the ground.
Bay of Plenty rugby chief executive Mike Rogers did not return calls but several senior NZ Rugby sources confirmed negotiations between the respective parties were on-going.
Earlier this year, the Bay of Plenty union teamed up with the China Rugby Football Association to form the China Lions - the final team added to Forrest's Global Rapid Rugby.
The vision for the Lions was to help retain New Zealand talent by providing another pathway outside Super Rugby. The team's home base was to be Rotorua Stadium but they managed one outing before Covid-19 travel restrictions hit, defeating a team of local Fijian players 29-22 in Suva.
With the structures for the Lions already in place it is believed Bay of Plenty has decided to push ahead and express interest in the team joining the five established New Zealand Super Rugby sides next year.
This latest development comes after the Herald revealed the Asia Pacific Dragons, who were also involved in Global Rapid Rugby in 2019, logged a separate expression of interest with NZ Rugby to join Super Rugby from 2022.
There are, however, major concerns surrounding the competitiveness of both the Bay of Plenty-led China Lions and Asian Pacific Dragons when pitted against the quality of the Crusaders, Blues, Highlanders, Hurricanes and the Chiefs.
The other potential sixth New Zealand-based Super Rugby team next year is a Pacific side. Several options are on the table, with NZ Rugby committed to this venture at some stage.
The Herald understands a feasibility study is being conducted to determine what it would take to ensure a Pacific team is viable and whether it would be ready by 2021 or 2022.
The Tracy Atiga-led Kanaloa Hawai'i bid is understood to have been asked to collaborate with others.
It seems increasingly likely Super Rugby Aotearoa may be forced to continue with the status quo and the addition of more bye weeks in a March to May window.
Should that holding pattern scenario eventuate the expressions of interest approach to NZR's initial vision for an eight-to-10 team Super Rugby competition next year will ultimately hit a brick wall, and largely serve to aggravate their long established Sanzaar partners.
Rugby Australia remains steadfast in refusing to drop any of its five franchises for a potential transtasman joint venture partnership, while South Africa Rugby is also believed to be miffed by the NZR's "go it alone" approach amid the financially challenging Covid-19 confines.
While domestic competitions for the respective Sanzaar partners appear the likely approach for 2021, plans remain in place for a regional cross-over tournament involving the leading sides from New Zealand, Australia, Japan and Argentina. Travel restrictions permitting, this cross-over tournament could be staged during the middle of the domestic competitions or at their conclusion.
The major caveat hanging over future plans, particularly for 2022 and beyond, is the fact broadcast deals need to be renegotiated.
For NZR that comes with a price tag of $500 million over the next five years.
The deal sold to Sky Television last year for a 14-team round-robin Super Rugby format from 2021 to 2025 is now obsolete, and NZR will be desperate to retain the same level of investment from their broadcast partner.
While Sky now has less content, NZR will argue the quality is vastly enhanced which is reflected by the 65 per cent lift in viewership figures for Super Rugby Aotearoa.
@Tim Letting Forrest anywhere near NZ rugby is an idiotic move. No doubt NZR are giving it considerable thought.
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Forrest is doubling, if not tripling his chances. He'll want the Force in a ten team trans Ta$man comp. If not the Force then he could keep pushing this other barrow. And if the BOP thing works out it can only serve to undermine NZR and our general level of depth which helps any and all Australian teams in, or wanting to be n, our comp.
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@Tim Force v Reds 36,000
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
At the stadium?
Ahh no. Wouldn't have been a 10th of that in attendance in Canberra.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
At the stadium?
Nope, watching on TV. Hard to see pro-Rugby surviving in Oz below International level.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
At the stadium?
Ahh no. Wouldn't have been a 10th of that in attendance in Canberra.
@antipodean
Canberra crowds have been limited to 1500. They’ll be raised to 3k for this Friday’s match against the Force. -
@antipodean
Canberra crowds have been limited to 1500. They’ll be raised to 3k for this Friday’s match against the Force.@yourmatenate said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean
Canberra crowds have been limited to 1500. They’ll be raised to 3k for this Friday’s match against the Force.Jeez that makes those viewer numbers look even worse.
Only 45k people could be bothered watching two of the top teams at the ground and at home combined! -
@yourmatenate said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean
Canberra crowds have been limited to 1500. They’ll be raised to 3k for this Friday’s match against the Force.Jeez that makes those viewer numbers look even worse.
Only 45k people could be bothered watching two of the top teams at the ground and at home combined! -
@yourmatenate said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean
Canberra crowds have been limited to 1500. They’ll be raised to 3k for this Friday’s match against the Force.Jeez that makes those viewer numbers look even worse.
Only 45k people could be bothered watching two of the top teams at the ground and at home combined!@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@yourmatenate said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean
Canberra crowds have been limited to 1500. They’ll be raised to 3k for this Friday’s match against the Force.Jeez that makes those viewer numbers look even worse.
Only 45k people could be bothered watching two of the top teams at the ground and at home combined!It's SR, there's plenty of people still playing and attending club games on the weekend.
Based on nothing at all I expect the figures would be better if it had a FTA element. But then there'd be less money in the game.
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@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@yourmatenate said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean
Canberra crowds have been limited to 1500. They’ll be raised to 3k for this Friday’s match against the Force.Jeez that makes those viewer numbers look even worse.
Only 45k people could be bothered watching two of the top teams at the ground and at home combined!It's SR, there's plenty of people still playing and attending club games on the weekend.
Based on nothing at all I expect the figures would be better if it had a FTA element. But then there'd be less money in the game.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@yourmatenate said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean
Canberra crowds have been limited to 1500. They’ll be raised to 3k for this Friday’s match against the Force.Jeez that makes those viewer numbers look even worse.
Only 45k people could be bothered watching two of the top teams at the ground and at home combined!It's SR, there's plenty of people still playing and attending club games on the weekend.
Based on nothing at all I expect the figures would be better if it had a FTA element. But then there'd be less money in the game.
I guess it also doesn’t take into account the fact that multiple people could be watching a single TV so would likely be way off that number.
I definitely agree with your FTA point. I think it would make a huge difference having super rugby on FTA in Aust. Most other sports have regular games on over the weekend.
