'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Rapido I am not saying it is a good idea, just that it is the idea
Yeah and post Tew, NZR has been a cluster fuck. Come back Steve all is forgiven!
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido I am not saying it is a good idea, just that it is the idea
Yes. but I'm saying the idea is probably deliberate porkies or half-truth. Putting forward a half-truth solution they know can't be followed through.
The respective representatives from Fiji, Samoa and Tonga will probably be Pasifika NZers employed by the 'NZRU and private owner partnership' that ends up paying to set this team up / owning it. Not answerable in any way to any of the 3 PI unions.
So, basically just another NZ super franchise.
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@KiwiMurph Makes sense. How are they supposed to attract enough good players to have a team that will be competitive enough in 2021? There's not enough time. The financial side of it may also be difficult to arrange in such a short time. 2022 would be much better to enter a Pasifika team, esp because there are still so many other things to sort out, too, such as who is going to manage the team, where will they be based, where will they attract their players from etc etc.
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@KiwiMurph see a crossover finals series (maybe finalist or top 2 in each comp) makes more sense than the previously contrived series.
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@KiwiMurph Makes sense. How are they supposed to attract enough good players to have a team that will be competitive enough in 2021? There's not enough time. The financial side of it may also be difficult to arrange in such a short time. 2022 would be much better to enter a Pasifika team, esp because there are still so many other things to sort out, too, such as who is going to manage the team, where will they be based, where will they attract their players from etc etc.
@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Makes sense. How are they supposed to attract enough good players to have a team that will be competitive enough in 2021? There's not enough time. The financial side of it may also be difficult to arrange in such a short time. 2022 would be much better to enter a Pasifika team, esp because there are still so many other things to sort out, too, such as who is going to manage the team, where will they be based, where will they attract their players from etc etc.
Which is why the Asia Pacific Barbarians seem like the most realistic of the PI bids. They said from the beginning that 2021 was impossible so they made a bid for 2022
The others were way too optimistic
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@KiwiMurph said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1311477348294819840
Id forget about the crossover (for 2021) and just continue with what worked this year. Then look at 2022 for a combined competition. With the hope that Aust can by then have 5 teams that are strong enough to compete with the NZ teams
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@KiwiMurph said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1311477348294819840
Id forget about the crossover (for 2021) and just continue with what worked this year. Then look at 2022 for a combined competition. With the hope that Aust can by then have 5 teams that are strong enough to compete with the NZ teams
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@KiwiMurph said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Winger why forget it for 2021? Both NZR and RA could use the extra revenue/product.
Because it will be boring. And bad for Aussie rugby with NZ teams almost certainly beating the Aussie team.
I would prefer a bigger knockout crossover competition. Maybe also including the pro 14 (or 16) sides. And if SA only have 4 teams (instead of 6) each team should be stronger so maybe they could win it
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@KiwiMurph I'd say with the limited rugby, not to mention no Super Rugby, it'd become a great product to sell.
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and the top aussie team should be at least competitive, the reds had some get results in pre COVID Super rugby
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@Snowy yeah it is the MoE definition, but it is not coomon usage - I only know it from working in a school. But there are a ton of questions that need answering, I agree. But I am pretty sure that the common usage of Pasifica is what they are meaning. Problem is they;ve let the genie out of the bottle by saying we need a pasifika SR team, but (especially now with CV) there is no way to have a team in the islands that is profitable. Travel costs etc are what they are trying to get away with by ditching SA for SR. It's worth it for the big dosh internationals, but not for the much less dosh SR. But the genie is out, NZR have fucked up again in that stupid Aratipu release. Instead of keeping their cards close to their chest, negotiating with international partners, and putting quiet feelers out. They have pissed off Oz, Sa, Arg at the same time as putting themselves in a position where they have to support another SR team. Basically from picking Foster on, NZR has been a cluster fuck.
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy Basically from picking Foster on, NZR has been a cluster fuck.
Agreed. The only thing I will give them credit for is the retention of our top players. We have managed to sign most of our top guys till the next RWC. Covid may have helped a little though.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy Basically from picking Foster on, NZR has been a cluster fuck.
Agreed. The only thing I will give them credit for is the retention of our top players. We have managed to sign most of our top guys till the next RWC. Covid may have helped a little though.
@akan004 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Basically from picking Barrett as a 6 on, NZR has been a cluster fuck.Agreed. The only thing I will give them credit for is the retention of our top players. We have manage to sign most of top guys till the next RWC. Covid may have helped a little though.
Fixed that fir you.
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@KiwiMurph said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1311477348294819840
Id forget about the crossover (for 2021) and just continue with what worked this year. Then look at 2022 for a combined competition. With the hope that Aust can by then have 5 teams that are strong enough to compete with the NZ teams
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
With the hope that Aust can by then have 5 teams that are strong enough to compete with the NZ teams
With no hope of judging how much they've improved or need to improve?
No. That doesn't make sense.
But by all means, let's have another season of 2 games a week for fans and 2 or 3 rounds of the same fixtures. That won't get
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
boring
at all.
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@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
With the hope that Aust can by then have 5 teams that are strong enough to compete with the NZ teams
With no hope of judging how much they've improved or need to improve?
No. That doesn't make sense.
But by all means, let's have another season of 2 games a week for fans and 2 or 3 rounds of the same fixtures. That won't get
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
boring
at all.
@NTA I reckon the isolation and not playing one another is good, makes players and teams an unknown quantity, less familiarity from playing them regularly.
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So we're all saying that we don't want all 5 Super AU teams but we want the China Lions. Just kiss and make up and have a 10 team comp with Australia and be done with it.
@Yeetyaah said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
So we're all saying that we don't want all 5 Super AU teams but we want the China Lions. Just kiss and make up and have a 10 team comp with Australia and be done with it.
spot on, 18 rounds, 2 byes, 4 team playoff over 2 weeks. Done!
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So we're all saying that we don't want all 5 Super AU teams but we want the China Lions. Just kiss and make up and have a 10 team comp with Australia and be done with it.
@Yeetyaah said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
So we're all saying that we don't want all 5 Super AU teams but we want the China Lions. Just kiss and make up and have a 10 team comp with Australia and be done with it.
Yeah that kind of sums up the breakdown between the two unions nicely.
