'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@taniwharugby yes. But under NZ laws you cannot deny an NZer a job because they are not qualified to play for the ABs, but NZR successfully do.
Which law is that? I'm not so sure that's true.
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The quota is two non NZ qualified players per SR team, others have to apply for dispensation. I'm not an employment laws expert, but that has got to be illegal. But they get away with it because it is not challenged. Or maybe hard too challenge. Either way, same applies for PI team. There only problem they have is foreign players will have too get working visa, not easy. So they'll mostly be PI kiwis.
Again, based on which law would that be illegal?
Definitely not the Human Rights Act, which only forbids discrimination based on sex, marital status, religious belief, ethical belief, colour, race, and ethnic or national origins. Dinstinugishing players based on which country they are eligible to represent in sport doesn't fall under any of these criteria. Not signing someone who's white, however, is.
Yeha I could be totally wrong, but say I want to employ someone and I say to NZ born/passport holder who has played for Samoa - sorry won't employ you cos you can't reperesent ABs. That is what NZR do with SR. Maybe sports have a different rule that the rest of the jobs in NZ?
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@taniwharugby yes. But under NZ laws you cannot deny an NZer a job because they are not qualified to play for the ABs, but NZR successfully do.
Which law is that? I'm not so sure that's true.
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The quota is two non NZ qualified players per SR team, others have to apply for dispensation. I'm not an employment laws expert, but that has got to be illegal. But they get away with it because it is not challenged. Or maybe hard too challenge. Either way, same applies for PI team. There only problem they have is foreign players will have too get working visa, not easy. So they'll mostly be PI kiwis.
Again, based on which law would that be illegal?
Definitely not the Human Rights Act, which only forbids discrimination based on sex, marital status, religious belief, ethical belief, colour, race, and ethnic or national origins. Dinstinugishing players based on which country they are eligible to represent in sport doesn't fall under any of these criteria. Not signing someone who's white, however, is.
Yeha I could be totally wrong, but say I want to employ someone and I say to NZ born/passport holder who has played for Samoa - sorry won't employ you cos you can't reperesent ABs. That is what NZR do with SR. Maybe sports have a different rule that the rest of the jobs in NZ?
Simple solution in sport is - I’m not going to select you because you’re not what we are looking for; you have ‘work ons’, you’re rubbish...etc
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
But the ideal new competition would only have 8 teams. 5 from NZ and three from Aussie. With a focus on ensuring all teams have a chance of winning.
Then we should only have 4 NZ teams, because at least one of the NZ teams is utter shit every year.
Except this year as one example. The Chiefs even managed to beat the Crusaders
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
But the ideal new competition would only have 8 teams. 5 from NZ and three from Aussie. With a focus on ensuring all teams have a chance of winning.
Then we should only have 4 NZ teams, because at least one of the NZ teams is utter shit every year.
Except this year as one example. The Chiefs even managed to beat the Crusaders
Highway robbery was that hatchet job by the ref
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I hope they go to Oz, they can dilute their teams not ours. And AR can be responsible for the bills. Cos a team not based in Fiji (etc) is nothing more than another SR team in our comp.
This pisses me off tho "the All Blacks and Super Rugby teams continue to be heavily reliant on players of Pasifika heritage" yes we have a ton off players, born in NZ, of Pacific heritage. But they are kiwi born and trained, mostly. We rely less on that than Samoa and Tonga rely on NZ born and trained players.
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in the words of MItre 10....Mate, you're dreaming!
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A sensible answer, rugby pass make common sense article as well as accurate dominant tackle stats!
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A sensible answer, rugby pass make common sense article as well as accurate dominant tackle stats!
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
A sensible answer, rugby pass make common sense article as well as accurate dominant tackle stats!
Too much focus on quality, they'll be out of business soon.
Also, for the conspiracy theorists, NZR own a share of RugbyPass... so they would say that woulnd't they
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A sensible answer, rugby pass make common sense article as well as accurate dominant tackle stats!
@Machpants Fark, you made me read a Bidwell article.
I thought that one of the advantages of the Moana Pasifika bid was that they would be funding it, not NZR.
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@Machpants Fark, you made me read a Bidwell article.
I thought that one of the advantages of the Moana Pasifika bid was that they would be funding it, not NZR.
@Bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Machpants Fark, you made me read a Bidwell article.
I thought that one of the advantages of the Moana Pasifika bid was that they would be funding it, not NZR.
Yeah but the point being NZR says they haven't seen anywhere that the money is coming from. Lotsa 'oh you nasty NZR from famous people' not much business/backer people saying 'here's where the money and players are coming from'. You look at the ultimate example of Pasika player, Piutau, it's money (for family) first. Same with the international players mostly. yes they take a big hit to play for their country, but that is because they get decent cash from NH clubs.
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They will chose the 2022 expansion teams at the end of the year right? Those franchises could start setting up their squads next year and maybe play the Development teams of the NZ franchise teams. Twiggy may set up his comp again if Covid allows also.
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@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
But the ideal new competition would only have 8 teams. 5 from NZ and three from Aussie. With a focus on ensuring all teams have a chance of winning.
Then we should only have 4 NZ teams, because at least one of the NZ teams is utter shit every year.
Except this year as one example. The Chiefs even managed to beat the Crusaders
Highway robbery was that hatchet job by the ref
@ACT-Crusader a bit like Whitelock being far off his feet vs the Hurricanes in the semi final last year?
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Thought this was funny tho
"Hammered from pillar to pillar, another pillar and finally the post.The semi-crazed antics of this board and administration have left the august organisation friendless, bobbing along hopelessly in a sea of hostility.
Here's a shortlist of people, countries and organisations that hate New Zealand Rugby at the moment: Australia, South Africa, Bill Beaumont, Bryan Williams, the Players' Association, Pacific Nations, Sanzaar, the Home Nations and Derek.
They still have a good friend at Sky but even they must be wondering if this game of alienating everyone is a sound long-term content strategy."
NZH paywall
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Thought this was funny tho
"Hammered from pillar to pillar, another pillar and finally the post.The semi-crazed antics of this board and administration have left the august organisation friendless, bobbing along hopelessly in a sea of hostility.
Here's a shortlist of people, countries and organisations that hate New Zealand Rugby at the moment: Australia, South Africa, Bill Beaumont, Bryan Williams, the Players' Association, Pacific Nations, Sanzaar, the Home Nations and Derek.
They still have a good friend at Sky but even they must be wondering if this game of alienating everyone is a sound long-term content strategy."
NZH paywall
@Machpants question is, who likes NZR at the moment?
Players don't, fans are marginal, William Webb Ellis doesn't
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I hope they go to Oz, they can dilute their teams not ours. And AR can be responsible for the bills. Cos a team not based in Fiji (etc) is nothing more than another SR team in our comp.
This pisses me off tho "the All Blacks and Super Rugby teams continue to be heavily reliant on players of Pasifika heritage" yes we have a ton off players, born in NZ, of Pacific heritage. But they are kiwi born and trained, mostly. We rely less on that than Samoa and Tonga rely on NZ born and trained players.
@Machpants hell no - RA can't afford it's own teams let alone yours.
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@Machpants hell no - RA can't afford it's own teams let alone yours.
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Machpants hell no - RA can't afford it's own teams let alone yours.
Neither can we, that's the point!
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Change of subject here, are the Super squads going to be announced at the end of the month like every other year? Or as we haven't had the fixtures confirmed yet, will it be later?
@Yeetyaah Good question! You'd think that most of the players have already been signed, but the exact number of spots in the squads may depend on the competition format/length. This may affect the signing of players for a few spots that possibly haven't been filled, yet. And that may mean a lot of insecurity for the players hoping to get those last spots, who may be tempted to sign elsewhere (Japan, MLR) if it takes too long as their livelihood is at stake.
Anyway, I don't think the squads will be named at the end of this month. I'd expect them to wait until the end of Mitre 10 Cup.
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I sent all the Super teams a DM on Instagram asking when the Super squads would be named and the Highlanders replied and said all squads will be named in early December after the Mitre 10 Cup.
