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'Super Rugby' 2021

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  • D Derpus

    6 weeks of spare time after the two comps. Enough time for a game against each foreign team for each club plus a 'final' for the best of each country?

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    Kiwiwomble
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    @Derpus i dont like the idea of finals and then cross overs, i think we either have a Minor Premier as it were and then "Finals" that cross over

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    • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

      @Derpus i dont like the idea of finals and then cross overs, i think we either have a Minor Premier as it were and then "Finals" that cross over

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      @Kiwiwomble only issue with that is that means not very many games will be played. like 10 tops? Probably not enough.

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        @Kiwiwomble only issue with that is that means not very many games will be played. like 10 tops? Probably not enough.

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        @Derpus not every weeks needs to be filled with a game, games for the sake of games if how we ended up playing each other four times in a row

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        • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

          @Derpus not every weeks needs to be filled with a game, games for the sake of games if how we ended up playing each other four times in a row

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          Derpus
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          @Kiwiwomble i mean, the game is the end in itself - isn't it? I don't see why you wouldn't aim to have at least a 15 game season if possible.

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          • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

            @Derpus i dont like the idea of finals and then cross overs, i think we either have a Minor Premier as it were and then "Finals" that cross over

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            @Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

            @Derpus i dont like the idea of finals and then cross overs, i think we either have a Minor Premier as it were and then "Finals" that cross over

            I'm not sure the non Finals teams would be pleased/able to survive on 4 home games.

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              @Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

              @Derpus i dont like the idea of finals and then cross overs, i think we either have a Minor Premier as it were and then "Finals" that cross over

              I'm not sure the non Finals teams would be pleased/able to survive on 4 home games.

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              @KiwiMurph fair enough, just seems weird to have a "champion" and then go play more games...too many different comps

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                @KiwiMurph fair enough, just seems weird to have a "champion" and then go play more games...too many different comps

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                @Kiwiwomble its a one off though. Makes sense to me.

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                • D Derpus

                  @Kiwiwomble its a one off though. Makes sense to me.

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                  @Derpus i guess thats all that matters

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                    Well the alternative where half the teams dont play as many games because we dont want the comp to be a bit awkward as a one off sounds like a worse outcome.

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                    • D Derpus

                      Well the alternative where half the teams dont play as many games because we dont want the comp to be a bit awkward as a one off sounds like a worse outcome.

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                      @Derpus no, the alternative if the two unions are talking is to actually have a proper trans Ta$man comp...not just keep on bolting on more games as they think of them

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                        I think, because of covid, both Oz and NZR know it's best to be cautious. You've got a very good chance of completing a domestic series, so organise that, sell it. Then look at international games

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                        • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                          @Derpus no, the alternative if the two unions are talking is to actually have a proper trans Ta$man comp...not just keep on bolting on more games as they think of them

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                          @Kiwiwomble and have the whole thing go to pants as soon as an errant covid diagnosis happens? Spread the risk.

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                            The Sydney Morning Herald can reveal a six-week competition – in which the five Australian teams will play each New Zealand franchise once – is set to be approved in the coming days.
                            
                            The two teams that finish at the top of the 10-team ladder will then square off in a trans- Ta$man Super Rugby final.
                            
                            Multiple sources have told the Herald the trans- Ta$man competition will kick off on May 15 – one week after the domestic deciders – and will finish in time for the Wallabies and All Blacks to begin preparations for inbound Test tours in July.
                            

                            So two different finals. It could get complicated unless the Ws and Ls from each countries competitions count towards the final places in the trans- Ta$man competition.

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                              The Sydney Morning Herald can reveal a six-week competition – in which the five Australian teams will play each New Zealand franchise once – is set to be approved in the coming days.
                              
                              The two teams that finish at the top of the 10-team ladder will then square off in a trans- Ta$man Super Rugby final.
                              
                              Multiple sources have told the Herald the trans- Ta$man competition will kick off on May 15 – one week after the domestic deciders – and will finish in time for the Wallabies and All Blacks to begin preparations for inbound Test tours in July.
                              

                              So two different finals. It could get complicated unless the Ws and Ls from each countries competitions count towards the final places in the trans- Ta$man competition.

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                              Machpants
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                              Top two teams, or top Oz Vs top NZ

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                                Top two teams, or top Oz Vs top NZ

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                                @Machpants i think top oz v nz team makes the most sense, so its not a potential repeat.

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                                  @Machpants i think top oz v nz team makes the most sense, so its not a potential repeat.

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                                  @Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                                  @Machpants i think top oz v nz team makes the most sense, so its not a potential repeat.

                                  They're all potential repeats, we are playing each other once. The wording says to me the correct way, top two teams. But I'll wait if they start down the slippery slope of watering down competition that fucked the original super rugby happens even before a full trans Ta$man League is set in 2022

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                                    @Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                                    @Machpants i think top oz v nz team makes the most sense, so its not a potential repeat.

                                    They're all potential repeats, we are playing each other once. The wording says to me the correct way, top two teams. But I'll wait if they start down the slippery slope of watering down competition that fucked the original super rugby happens even before a full trans Ta$man League is set in 2022

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                                    @Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                                    @Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                                    @Machpants i think top oz v nz team makes the most sense, so its not a potential repeat.

                                    They're all potential repeats, we are playing each other once. The wording says to me the correct way, top two teams. But I'll wait if they start down the slippery slope of watering down competition that fucked the original super rugby happens even before a full trans Ta$man League is set in 2022

                                    There's an argument to be made the 'correct' way for this 6 week comp is to have the top nz team vs the top aus team - cos then at least the best aussie team would have done better than the other 4 aussie teams vs a common opponent (nz teams) and vice versa for the best kiwi team having done better than the other 4 kiwi teams vs a common opponent (aus teams).

                                    I'm not sure how you could justify the 2nd nz team making the final over the top aussie team (for example) when the 2nd kiwi team played 5 aussie sides and the top aussie team played 5 kiwi sides.

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                                    • M Machpants

                                      @Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                                      @Machpants i think top oz v nz team makes the most sense, so its not a potential repeat.

                                      They're all potential repeats, we are playing each other once. The wording says to me the correct way, top two teams. But I'll wait if they start down the slippery slope of watering down competition that fucked the original super rugby happens even before a full trans Ta$man League is set in 2022

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                                      @Machpants I meant not a potential repeat of the SRA or SRao finals.

                                      Again, it's not an ideal model but makes the most sense for next year in isolation.

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                                        Bovidae
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                                        That's why I made the comment about there being 2 different finals. It is possible that the final of the trans- Ta$man competition will feature different teams/winners to the SRA and SRAu finals. Welcome to 2020!

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                                          That's why I made the comment about there being 2 different finals. It is possible that the final of the trans- Ta$man competition will feature different teams/winners to the SRA and SRAu finals. Welcome to 2020!

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                                          Derpus
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                                          @Bovidae ah yeah makes sense.

                                          i dont think it matters too much. whate er system they choose itll be the Crusaders in both finals.

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