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'Super Rugby' 2021

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    Bovidae
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    #1486

    That's why I made the comment about there being 2 different finals. It is possible that the final of the trans- Ta$man competition will feature different teams/winners to the SRA and SRAu finals. Welcome to 2020!

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    • BovidaeB Bovidae

      That's why I made the comment about there being 2 different finals. It is possible that the final of the trans- Ta$man competition will feature different teams/winners to the SRA and SRAu finals. Welcome to 2020!

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      Derpus
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      #1487

      @Bovidae ah yeah makes sense.

      i dont think it matters too much. whate er system they choose itll be the Crusaders in both finals.

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        @Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

        @Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

        @Machpants i think top oz v nz team makes the most sense, so its not a potential repeat.

        They're all potential repeats, we are playing each other once. The wording says to me the correct way, top two teams. But I'll wait if they start down the slippery slope of watering down competition that fucked the original super rugby happens even before a full trans Ta$man League is set in 2022

        There's an argument to be made the 'correct' way for this 6 week comp is to have the top nz team vs the top aus team - cos then at least the best aussie team would have done better than the other 4 aussie teams vs a common opponent (nz teams) and vice versa for the best kiwi team having done better than the other 4 kiwi teams vs a common opponent (aus teams).

        I'm not sure how you could justify the 2nd nz team making the final over the top aussie team (for example) when the 2nd kiwi team played 5 aussie sides and the top aussie team played 5 kiwi sides.

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        @KiwiMurph said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

        @Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

        @Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

        @Machpants i think top oz v nz team makes the most sense, so its not a potential repeat.

        They're all potential repeats, we are playing each other once. The wording says to me the correct way, top two teams. But I'll wait if they start down the slippery slope of watering down competition that fucked the original super rugby happens even before a full trans Ta$man League is set in 2022

        There's an argument to be made the 'correct' way for this 6 week comp is to have the top nz team vs the top aus team - cos then at least the best aussie team would have done better than the other 4 aussie teams vs a common opponent (nz teams) and vice versa for the best kiwi team having done better than the other 4 kiwi teams vs a common opponent (aus teams).

        I'm not sure how you could justify the 2nd nz team making the final over the top aussie team (for example) when the 2nd kiwi team played 5 aussie sides and the top aussie team played 5 kiwi sides.

        That's a very good point

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          #1489

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300157714/nz-rugby-rugby-australia-announce-transtasman-super-rugby-competition

          Round One (May 14-15)
          Crusaders v Brumbies; Western Force v Chiefs; Melbourne Rebels v Blues; Highlanders v Queensland Reds; NSW Waratahs v Hurricanes

          Round Two (May 21-22)
          Chiefs v Brumbies; Western Force v Highlanders; Hurricanes v Melbourne Rebels; Queensland Reds v Crusaders; Blues v NSW Waratahs

          Round Three - Super Round (May 28-29)
          Blues v Brumbies; Hurricanes v Western Force; Melbourne Rebels v Highlanders; Queensland Reds v Chiefs; NSW Waratahs v Crusaders

          Round Four (June 4-5)
          Brumbies v Hurricanes; Crusaders v Western Force; Chiefs v Melbourne Rebels, Queensland Reds v Blues; Highlanders v NSW Waratahs

          Round Five (June 11-12)
          Brumbies v Highlanders; Blues v Western Force; Melbourne Rebels v Crusaders; Hurricanes v Queensland Reds; NSW Waratahs v Chiefs

          Final (Saturday, June 19)

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            Machpants
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            #1490

            Where is the ‘super round (🤢 ) held? Who get’s that possible cash bonanza?

            What is the deal for the finalist, ie top 2 or top each country.

            From ABs website answers
            Basically TBC and top two teams on points

            NZR and RA will announce kick-off times, dates and venues for Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man as well as the process that will be used to select the location of the ‘Super Round’ in due course.

            The Final will be played between the top two teams after the five weeks of matches on the combined competition ladder with the team who finished first earning home advantage for the decider.

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            • M Machpants

              Where is the ‘super round (🤢 ) held? Who get’s that possible cash bonanza?

              What is the deal for the finalist, ie top 2 or top each country.

              From ABs website answers
              Basically TBC and top two teams on points

              NZR and RA will announce kick-off times, dates and venues for Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man as well as the process that will be used to select the location of the ‘Super Round’ in due course.

              The Final will be played between the top two teams after the five weeks of matches on the combined competition ladder with the team who finished first earning home advantage for the decider.

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              gt12
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              #1491

              @Machpants

              Good, so we can get a final between two teams from the same country. Otherwise we could conceivably get a team with a perfect record not making the final over a team with a losing record.

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              • M Machpants

                Where is the ‘super round (🤢 ) held? Who get’s that possible cash bonanza?

                What is the deal for the finalist, ie top 2 or top each country.

                From ABs website answers
                Basically TBC and top two teams on points

                NZR and RA will announce kick-off times, dates and venues for Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man as well as the process that will be used to select the location of the ‘Super Round’ in due course.

                The Final will be played between the top two teams after the five weeks of matches on the combined competition ladder with the team who finished first earning home advantage for the decider.

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                barbarian
                wrote on last edited by barbarian
                #1492

                @Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                Where is the ‘super round (🤢 ) held? Who get’s that possible cash bonanza?

                Would think there would be some revenue sharing agreement for that. It has to be one of Sydney, Auckland or Brisbane you'd think.

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                • barbarianB barbarian

                  @Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                  Where is the ‘super round (🤢 ) held? Who get’s that possible cash bonanza?

                  Would think there would be some revenue sharing agreement for that. It has to be one of Sydney, Auckland or Brisbane you'd think.

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                  #1493

                  @barbarian Brisbane would be great. Stadium and location is perfect.

                  The NRL one was fucking great.

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    @barbarian Brisbane would be great. Stadium and location is perfect.

                    The NRL one was fucking great.

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                    #1494

                    @mariner4life It also reads to me as a play to get Governments to pony up some $$$ to host it. Tourism magnet etc. QLD Government paid handsomely for the NRL Magic round.

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                    • barbarianB barbarian

                      @mariner4life It also reads to me as a play to get Governments to pony up some $$$ to host it. Tourism magnet etc. QLD Government paid handsomely for the NRL Magic round.

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                      #1495

                      @barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                      @mariner4life It also reads to me as a play to get Governments to pony up some $$$ to host it. Tourism magnet etc. QLD Government paid handsomely for the NRL Magic round.

                      given the number of fans from all over that came, i would say it was money well spent

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                      • KiwiMurphK Offline
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                        KiwiMurph
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1496

                        Blues playing in Melbourne - excellent.

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                        • WingerW Offline
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                          Winger
                          wrote on last edited by Winger
                          #1497

                          I like this new set up. 3 winners not just one. And it starts with a 2 rounds one country competition. If it a success they may stick with this format (maybe add one team to both countries).

                          I don't like the 12 team proposal

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                            Derpus
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1498

                            A guaranteed Australian/NZ final and a meritocracy for the combined final - ticks a few boxes.

                            There is a good chance the combined final will be a repeat of the NZ final i think.

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                              Bovidae
                              wrote on last edited by Bovidae
                              #1499

                              I wonder if serious thought was given so that all teams play their away games consecutively to avoid multiple trans- Ta$man flights. A quick look shows that only the Brumbies and Force are doing that. I am sure the draw could have been adjusted to do that.

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                                #1500

                                In case anyone gives a shit this is what the table would have looked like going into the trans Ta$man comp. Crusaders Blues both got 2 points for their cancelled game.

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                                  Derpus
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                                  #1501

                                  Apparently there won't be a combined table. All teams will start on 0 for the TT component, meaning the Aussie sides are fucked.

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                                  • D Derpus

                                    Apparently there won't be a combined table. All teams will start on 0 for the TT component, meaning the Aussie sides are fucked.

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                                    #1502

                                    @Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                                    Apparently there won't be a combined table. All teams will start on 0 for the TT component, meaning the Aussie sides are fucked.

                                    This was in the article "The Final will be played between the top two placed teams on the combined competition table with the team who finished first to host the decider."

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                                      Derpus
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                                      #1503

                                      I guess we wait for clarification.

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                                      • chimoausC chimoaus

                                        @Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                                        Apparently there won't be a combined table. All teams will start on 0 for the TT component, meaning the Aussie sides are fucked.

                                        This was in the article "The Final will be played between the top two placed teams on the combined competition table with the team who finished first to host the decider."

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                                        KiwiMurph
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                                        #1504

                                        @chimoaus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                                        @Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:

                                        Apparently there won't be a combined table. All teams will start on 0 for the TT component, meaning the Aussie sides are fucked.

                                        This was in the article "The Final will be played between the top two placed teams on the combined competition table with the team who finished first to host the decider."

                                        I don't think combined refers to Super Rugby AU/Super Rugby Aotearoa.

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                                          chimoaus
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                                          #1505

                                          I really like this format, I much prefer if the points carry over, reward for doing well in your domestic comp. Also as mentioned means you have potentially 3 sides that can win a trophy. Also a lot of incentive for teams coming second or third to keep playing hard knowing they have the next comp to play for. I guess the flip side is if its starts from fresh the Chiefs could have actually won a comp.

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