'Super Rugby' 2021
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Here is a fucking concept Hurricanes management. Create an environment where players actively want to come to and stay - that way you won't need to sign 17 year old's on 5 year contracts on the off-chance that they might turn out to be good when not playing against other school kids.
Maybe start by not having your favorite players who start no matter how badly they played the previous week (or all season in fact).
@stockcar86 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Maybe start by not having your favorite players who start no matter how badly they played the previous week (or all season in fact).
As somone who did a bit of selecting and coaching of teams, can I say this is one of the less intelligent things to say. I got accused of picking favourite etc, (and same when I on rugby boards re coaches etc), and I always said well yes I probably did pick my favourites as most coaches should. And you know why? Almost every coach I know will have as his favourite the players who will carry out the job he wants and hopefully make him look good!
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@stockcar86 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Maybe start by not having your favorite players who start no matter how badly they played the previous week (or all season in fact).
As somone who did a bit of selecting and coaching of teams, can I say this is one of the less intelligent things to say. I got accused of picking favourite etc, (and same when I on rugby boards re coaches etc), and I always said well yes I probably did pick my favourites as most coaches should. And you know why? Almost every coach I know will have as his favourite the players who will carry out the job he wants and hopefully make him look good!
@dan54 Well the Hurricanes coaches selections are not making them look good. Either the chosen players are not carrying out the job wanted by the coaches or they are not capable of doing it. If the are carrying out the job they have been asked to do then Lord help us, even then we will probably need a higher power than that (Sir Pinetree must surely be sitting at the Top Table) to correct this current mess we are being served up week in and week out. If the latter then they only have themselves to point the finger at as they are responsible for contracting the vast majority of their playing staff..
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For those living in North America.
Fans in the USA and Canada will be able to get their Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa fix from this weekend with news that all games will be broadcast live into North America on ESPN.com.ar/rugby. It shapes to be an action-packed weekend for fans in the USA and Canada with the Hurricanes taking on the Chiefs in Wellington on Saturday night (NZT) before the Blues face the Crusaders in a blockbuster top of the table clash at Eden Park on Sunday afternoon (NZT). Visit ESPN.Com/rugby for more details and to get specific match links closer to the game time. This weekend’s schedule is: Saturday 20 March, 7.05pm NZT: Hurricanes v Chiefs Sunday 21 March, 3.35pm NZT: Blues v Crusaders NOTE: Super Rugby Australia games are also broadcast live on ESPN.com.ar/rugby@bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
For those living in North America.
Fans in the USA and Canada will be able to get their Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa fix from this weekend with news that all games will be broadcast live into North America on ESPN.com.ar/rugby. It shapes to be an action-packed weekend for fans in the USA and Canada with the Hurricanes taking on the Chiefs in Wellington on Saturday night (NZT) before the Blues face the Crusaders in a blockbuster top of the table clash at Eden Park on Sunday afternoon (NZT). Visit ESPN.Com/rugby for more details and to get specific match links closer to the game time. This weekend’s schedule is: Saturday 20 March, 7.05pm NZT: Hurricanes v Chiefs Sunday 21 March, 3.35pm NZT: Blues v Crusaders NOTE: Super Rugby Australia games are also broadcast live on ESPN.com.ar/rugbyWith a VPN, you can still watch the SRA games for free on the "ESPN Fans" YouTube Channel.
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I would’ve liked to see the Development teams the likes of the Hunters, Bravehearts etc play a super rugby style competition that runs parallel to Super rugby and be the curtain raiser would be great to give the fringe super rugby players game time....ideally also would’ve like the franchises U20s play before the the development team again for the experience, league did it before they canned the 20s used to be the 20s the development team and the main game, ok won’t bring more people into the ground but in the long run can only benefit the franchises.
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SRTT (I guess, Super Rugby Trans Ta$man) has ditched the super wekkend in one city, so some teams will get 3 home, others 2. SANZAAR encouraging teams to talk about revenue sharing. Who gets the home game not decided, good idea make them negotiate before they know who has the home game
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SRTT (I guess, Super Rugby Trans Ta$man) has ditched the super wekkend in one city, so some teams will get 3 home, others 2. SANZAAR encouraging teams to talk about revenue sharing. Who gets the home game not decided, good idea make them negotiate before they know who has the home game
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@machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Who gets the home game not decided, good idea make them negotiate before they know who has the home game
Spot on, great call! Agree the distribution so it's fair to both parties, then do the draw
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All 4 games this weekend were 3 point margins or less, good for the comp.
Meanwhile the saffa teams will have to wait till next season to join the NH comp due to covid restrictions.
@mofitzy_ said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
All 4 games this weekend were 3 point margins or less, good for the comp.
Meanwhile the saffa teams will have to wait till next season to join the NH comp due to covid restrictions.
Or maybe not at all
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@mofitzy_ said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
All 4 games this weekend were 3 point margins or less, good for the comp.
Meanwhile the saffa teams will have to wait till next season to join the NH comp due to covid restrictions.
Or maybe not at all
@machpants ... and are we surprised? Again - what's in it for the Pro14 ... vast travel expansion, and seasons that don't align. It only makes sense if you are desperate for the money the South Africans have
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@machpants ... and are we surprised? Again - what's in it for the Pro14 ... vast travel expansion, and seasons that don't align. It only makes sense if you are desperate for the money the South Africans have
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@nzzp i think the timeszones made it attractive too, could have been quite the rugby comp
@kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@nzzp i think the timeszones made it attractive too, could have been quite the rugby comp
Timezones and (possibly) money. Maaaybe Pro 14 are keen, but neither seems particularly attractive to the 6N.
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@kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@nzzp i think the timeszones made it attractive too, could have been quite the rugby comp
Timezones and (possibly) money. Maaaybe Pro 14 are keen, but neither seems particularly attractive to the 6N.
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@machpants ... and are we surprised? Again - what's in it for the Pro14 ... vast travel expansion, and seasons that don't align. It only makes sense if you are desperate for the money the South Africans have
@nzzp yeah given one of the great things (pre-covid) about the NH Club comps was travelling fans, this would have hindered that massively.
I think it was always SA talking tough that we needed them more than them us when they threatened to leave, and now...they could have a strong domestic comp, but it wont generate the same money for them that even Super rugby did will it
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@nzzp yeah given one of the great things (pre-covid) about the NH Club comps was travelling fans, this would have hindered that massively.
I think it was always SA talking tough that we needed them more than them us when they threatened to leave, and now...they could have a strong domestic comp, but it wont generate the same money for them that even Super rugby did will it
@taniwharugby said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@nzzp yeah given one of the great things (pre-covid) about the NH Club comps was travelling fans, this would have hindered that massively.
I think it was always SA talking tough that we needed them more than them us when they threatened to leave, and now...they could have a strong domestic comp, but it wont generate the same money for them that even Super rugby did will it
Or playing different stlyes of teams
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The trans-hemispheric Pro14 was always a terrible idea, IMO. Was doomed to fail. Both sides have dodged a bullet if it never even gets off the ground.
I'm a bit envious of that South African position to be honest.
Can make a their own pro domestic comp. They can't compete on money, so let it settle to it's own level. Can pick players from overseas if they want. Will have an even stronger Springboks team with restrictions removed.
Best of both worlds. A domestic comp they will/may care about if they base it on Currie Cup, and a strong test team.
Test players will only travel from Europe to Saffaland once for an international window (and from then on to away games in the SH), instead of zooming all around the Southern Hemisphere all season. Their players will be drawn from top teams in about 4 different leagues with different styles and ideas. I'd predict a decade of dominance for them coming up, if it weren't for the unknown of racial/political meddling.
Meanwhile. NZ will be picking from (the normal) depleted player depth due to exodus, plus have invited some of their own racial/political meddling into their own camp with Moana Pacific. Admittedly will have less tired players du to less cross-Southern_hemisphere SR travel (compared to pre-covid / pre-SR disintegration).
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The trans-hemispheric Pro14 was always a terrible idea, IMO. Was doomed to fail. Both sides have dodged a bullet if it never even gets off the ground.
I'm a bit envious of that South African position to be honest.
Can make a their own pro domestic comp. They can't compete on money, so let it settle to it's own level. Can pick players from overseas if they want. Will have an even stronger Springboks team with restrictions removed.
Best of both worlds. A domestic comp they will/may care about if they base it on Currie Cup, and a strong test team.
Test players will only travel from Europe to Saffaland once for an international window (and from then on to away games in the SH), instead of zooming all around the Southern Hemisphere all season. Their players will be drawn from top teams in about 4 different leagues with different styles and ideas. I'd predict a decade of dominance for them coming up, if it weren't for the unknown of racial/political meddling.
Meanwhile. NZ will be picking from (the normal) depleted player depth due to exodus, plus have invited some of their own racial/political meddling into their own camp with Moana Pacific. Admittedly will have less tired players du to less cross-Southern_hemisphere SR travel (compared to pre-covid / pre-SR disintegration).
@rapido I totally disagree. For the moment the pro players in the prem have to fly back and forth in the down weeks of international rugby, it is not ideal at all. EDIT: it works better in for RWC, but outside that, it is a nightmare for teams. Planing, bonding, training - no time. A global season will ameriolate that, admitedly. But basically they’ll end up like the islands. they count as Euro for there, so why would young up and coming Boks fuck around on a pittance in a country on its knees when they can play in EU or Japan for a wodge. And 5 years is not too long with the right incentives for a teen/20s player to wait for international honours.
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@rapido I totally disagree. For the moment the pro players in the prem have to fly back and forth in the down weeks of international rugby, it is not ideal at all. EDIT: it works better in for RWC, but outside that, it is a nightmare for teams. Planing, bonding, training - no time. A global season will ameriolate that, admitedly. But basically they’ll end up like the islands. they count as Euro for there, so why would young up and coming Boks fuck around on a pittance in a country on its knees when they can play in EU or Japan for a wodge. And 5 years is not too long with the right incentives for a teen/20s player to wait for international honours.
There's lots of unknowns. Cant predict with much certainty.
But can definitely predict with certainty they'd be nothing like the islands. They are still a large country, 4th biggest 'rugby economy', who play in an annual international competition that makes good money. The Island's problem is it isnt worth any player's time to travel back in june/July.
Free of attemoting to prop up 6 teams at pay rates to match Euro and Japan levels, they could afford huge match fees. And (apart from Japan based players) the travel is quite short. No way woul players return to Europe in bye weeks if the match fees are good enough. Agents and the market will sort that out.
But. All speculation. I wouldn't know what sort of domestic comp they would set up and how much money that may suck out of the cash generating pot of test rugby.
Either way. Its 200% more attractive than the abomination of whatever the Pro14 was trying to be.
Is it as good as 1996 to 2006 Sanzar? No.
But better than Pro18 and probably better than what SR had become.
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Imagine picking a team with all 23 players probably sprinkled around the top 4 teams in 4 or 5 different leagues. With experience of winning tournaments and knockout games. No chokers likely to slip into that team.
Instead we will be picking the Crusaders plus x number of hangers on, playing one trick pony SR style with zero posession.
