'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Jailbreak7 Not at all. NZR has left the SR comp and, as pointed out by head of SARU, may well be liable for breaking contact next season. Obviously Force Majuere (sp?) Applies this year, may do next?
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Jailbreak7 Not at all. NZR has left the SR comp and, as pointed out by head of SARU, may well be liable for breaking contact next season. Obviously Force Majuere (sp?) Applies this year, may do next?
I thought the existing Super rugby format had one year to run, hence one last year of the stupid fucking conference system. Then next year it was going to be a “new” format. Maybe the new format/partnership hadn’t been formally create yet?
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Is it official that the SA SR sides have left the comp in order to supposedly join the comp in the NH???
Well good luck with that Because there is bugger all rigby being played here currently - and not even a sniff of it being resumed on the horizon.
Boris Johnson says large porting events with crowds can go ahead from November. Well I don't know what sport he is referring to - but it certainly won't be the likes of England v All Blacks. All vwery very quiet on the rugby front up here@Jailbreak7 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Is it official that the SA SR sides have left the comp in order to supposedly join the comp in the NH???
Well good luck with that Because there is bugger all rigby being played here currently - and not even a sniff of it being resumed on the horizon.
Boris Johnson says large porting events with crowds can go ahead from November. Well I don't know what sport he is referring to - but it certainly won't be the likes of England v All Blacks. All vwery very quiet on the rugby front up herePremiership Rugby recommences on 15th August without spectators.
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@Yeetyaah That 8 team structure looks ideal. Stuff the 10 team BS, all play all twice has much better competition integrity.
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What about 9x8x2x0.5 + 3 = 75?
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@Tim said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
What about 9x8x2x0.5 + 3 = 75?
I'm no mathematician, but this part of the code looked superfluous... "x2x0.5"... So I've taken the liberty of simplifying the equation to "9 x 8 + 3 = 75"
I'm so smart, person, man, camera etc
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@Yeetyaah That 8 team structure looks ideal. Stuff the 10 team BS, all play all twice has much better competition integrity.
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Yeetyaah That 8 team structure looks ideal. Stuff the 10 team BS, all play all twice has much better competition integrity.
Not going to happen. The Aussies probably won't even agree to 4 teams, there's no way they will agree to only 2 teams.
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I have no problem basing a PI team in Auckland as it has many advantages over the team being in Suva, for example. The most obvious being the costs required for travel and logistical challenges in the islands. There are also a large number of PI players outside of Auckland, so limiting your player pool to only one city is a stupid move.
The other important point is that if Kanaloa Hawai’i is 100% funding this team then it is similar to Forrest and the Force in Aust. You add a team to your competition at no cost to the home RU. NZR aren't going to ignore that possibility.
@Bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I have no problem basing a PI team in Auckland as it has many advantages over the team being in Suva, for example. The most obvious being the costs required for travel and logistical challenges in the islands. There are also a large number of PI players outside of Auckland, so limiting your player pool to only one city is a stupid move.
The other important point is that if Kanaloa Hawai’i is 100% funding this team then it is similar to Forrest and the Force in Aust. You add a team to your competition at no cost to the home RU. NZR aren't going to ignore that possibility.
Aren't the Blues a PI team based in Auckland? They have always had PI players in there. I'm not really sure who would play for the team. Most PI players in NZ already have contracts with the NZRU so can't just join a new team at the drop of a hat. If you introduced them for next season, they would mostly be Super Rugby rejects and maybe the odd player coming back from overseas.
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Those 10 team comp options are terrible.
Why can’t they get it through their heads that a simple, logical and non biased comp is what people want to see.Not playing the same teams an equal amount of times was one of the major flaws of the failed Super rugby expansion comps. Fuck. This is going to be a disaster.
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@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Yeetyaah That 8 team structure looks ideal. Stuff the 10 team BS, all play all twice has much better competition integrity.
Not going to happen. The Aussies probably won't even agree to 4 teams, there's no way they will agree to only 2 teams.
@akan004 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Yeetyaah That 8 team structure looks ideal. Stuff the 10 team BS, all play all twice has much better competition integrity.
Not going to happen. The Aussies probably won't even agree to 4 teams, there's no way they will agree to only 2 teams.
Yes, if NZR are serious about an 8 team option then they need to be looking at three non-Australian teams. Japan, a PI team and someone else. Maybe the Jaguares? All three options are potentially risky in these uncertain COVID times.
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@Tim said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
What about 9x8x2x0.5 + 3 = 75?
@sumostevenson has got some fab Sauces clearly.
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Those 10 team comp options are terrible.
Why can’t they get it through their heads that a simple, logical and non biased comp is what people want to see.Not playing the same teams an equal amount of times was one of the major flaws of the failed Super rugby expansion comps. Fuck. This is going to be a disaster.
@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Those 10 team comp options are terrible.
Why can’t they get it through their heads that a simple, logical and non biased comp is what people want to see.Not playing the same teams an equal amount of times was one of the major flaws of the failed Super rugby expansion comps. Fuck. This is going to be a disaster.
Can't see a 8 team competition being financially viable. A 10 or 12 team competition looks more realistic.
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@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Those 10 team comp options are terrible.
Why can’t they get it through their heads that a simple, logical and non biased comp is what people want to see.Not playing the same teams an equal amount of times was one of the major flaws of the failed Super rugby expansion comps. Fuck. This is going to be a disaster.
Can't see a 8 team competition being financially viable. A 10 or 12 team competition looks more realistic.
@sparky said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Those 10 team comp options are terrible.
Why can’t they get it through their heads that a simple, logical and non biased comp is what people want to see.Not playing the same teams an equal amount of times was one of the major flaws of the failed Super rugby expansion comps. Fuck. This is going to be a disaster.
Can't see a 8 team competition being financially viable. A 10 or 12 team competition looks more realistic.
You would think it would have to be viable if they are looking at it as an option.
Some teams playing other teams more often than others is a joke though.
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@sparky said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Those 10 team comp options are terrible.
Why can’t they get it through their heads that a simple, logical and non biased comp is what people want to see.Not playing the same teams an equal amount of times was one of the major flaws of the failed Super rugby expansion comps. Fuck. This is going to be a disaster.
Can't see a 8 team competition being financially viable. A 10 or 12 team competition looks more realistic.
You would think it would have to be viable if they are looking at it as an option.
Some teams playing other teams more often than others is a joke though.
@pukunui Rugby Australia rejected a 8 team competition straight away so did the finanicial backers of NZ Rugby. Realistically a 8 team competition would involve NZ giving up a franchise. Not sure Chiefs fans or Highlanders fans would like that much.
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@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Those 10 team comp options are terrible.
Why can’t they get it through their heads that a simple, logical and non biased comp is what people want to see.Not playing the same teams an equal amount of times was one of the major flaws of the failed Super rugby expansion comps. Fuck. This is going to be a disaster.
Can't see a 8 team competition being financially viable. A 10 or 12 team competition looks more realistic.
@sparky said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Those 10 team comp options are terrible.
Why can’t they get it through their heads that a simple, logical and non biased comp is what people want to see.Not playing the same teams an equal amount of times was one of the major flaws of the failed Super rugby expansion comps. Fuck. This is going to be a disaster.
Can't see a 8 team competition being financially viable. A 10 or 12 team competition looks more realistic.
Only way an 8 team comp would be viable is with a home & away format 14 regular season games with a bye week attached = 15 week season with 2 weeks added for SF + Grand Final
Start season in March 2021 with Grand Final in Mid June 2021
Moreover the original revamped Super Rugby was to have 14 teams play in a round robin format = 13 games
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almost punched my comp when i read some teams twice and others once....thats some of the shit people got so annoyed with the conferences, someone will get tot he playoff without playing the saders and (currently) blues twice and the complaining will start
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@pukunui Rugby Australia rejected a 8 team competition straight away so did the finanicial backers of NZ Rugby. Realistically a 8 team competition would involve NZ giving up a franchise. Not sure Chiefs fans or Highlanders fans would like that much.
@sparky said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@pukunui Rugby Australia rejected a 8 team competition straight away so did the finanicial backers of NZ Rugby. Realistically a 8 team competition would involve NZ giving up a franchise. Not sure Chiefs fans or Highlanders fans would like that much.
Who are they? The illuminati?
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almost punched my comp when i read some teams twice and others once....thats some of the shit people got so annoyed with the conferences, someone will get tot he playoff without playing the saders and (currently) blues twice and the complaining will start
@Kiwiwomble 100%. But the decisions get made on the back of committees interested in money, without seeing that money comes from good clear structure and great rugby.
Structural failures are more common than they should be. See also 1999 RWC where there were five pools of four to find 8 quarterfinalists. I mean, really?
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@Bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I have no problem basing a PI team in Auckland as it has many advantages over the team being in Suva, for example. The most obvious being the costs required for travel and logistical challenges in the islands. There are also a large number of PI players outside of Auckland, so limiting your player pool to only one city is a stupid move.
The other important point is that if Kanaloa Hawai’i is 100% funding this team then it is similar to Forrest and the Force in Aust. You add a team to your competition at no cost to the home RU. NZR aren't going to ignore that possibility.
Aren't the Blues a PI team based in Auckland? They have always had PI players in there. I'm not really sure who would play for the team. Most PI players in NZ already have contracts with the NZRU so can't just join a new team at the drop of a hat. If you introduced them for next season, they would mostly be Super Rugby rejects and maybe the odd player coming back from overseas.
@hydro11 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Aren't the Blues a PI team based in Auckland? They have always had PI players in there. I'm not really sure who would play for the team. Most PI players in NZ already have contracts with the NZRU so can't just join a new team at the drop of a hat. If you introduced them for next season, they would mostly be Super Rugby rejects and maybe the odd player coming back from overseas.
There are PI players in all 5 NZ teams, particularly those in the NI. Kanaloa Hawai’i must be confident that could find enough players of SR quality. That could be fringe SR players from NZ and Aust, current SR players who are off contract and want more regular playing time, PI-based players (e.g., Fijian Drua) and some players from Europe and Japan. The key will be whether they can offer a competitive salary relative to the other countries, but the owners will have connections and some pull with PI players.
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@Yeetyaah said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Supposed "leak"
Because they are trying to have competition completed before the incoming July tours, it means the professsional domestic season is too short to compete with the NH salaries, let alone the differences in population and hence TV deals.
14 weeks plus 2 week finals. 16 weeks. (Maybe in future, they will be looking to work is some weeks of a champions league
In the NH: (using England example) 22 weeks regular season + 2 weeks finals + 6 weeks European cup pool, + 2 weeks 1/4 final home and away + 2 weeks semi and final. 34 weeks. For France, 38 weeks, add 4 more weeks as a 14 team league.
I am not advocating a 34 week season, where in NH pro season continues (clashes) with test weekends. But we need to find somewhere in the middle.
