'Super Rugby' 2021
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That suggestion reminds me of the AFL situation in SA. Adelaide was created as a greenfields club to represent the city, but later Port Adelaide was elevated from the SA league. This created massive division.
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
That suggestion reminds me of the AFL situation in SA. Adelaide was created as a greenfields club to represent the city, but later Port Adelaide was elevated from the SA league. This created massive division.
Fair point. I'm not so much opposed to an existing team (or merged identity) as such - although it can exclude former rival fans.
It's more a concern that just combining existing local rugby resources won't be enough.
Solid finances is the #1 thing needed by any new pro team. Just scraping by, dollarwise, won't generate a sustainable franchise. Appealing to a relatively wide catchment will also help.
Having said all that, Port Adelaide still managed to find the wherewithal to make it...
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If NZ go without OZ we need more teams. A stronger NPC based competition is never going to happen so:
- Split Blues in Half - North Auckland team and a Auckland City team
- The proposed Pacific themed team based in Manukau, Mt Smart, or Pukekohe
- Chiefs
- Tauranga based team, maybe the China Lions team is expanded
- A Lower North Island Team, pretty much Central Vikings with Taranaki too
- Hurricanes
- Highlanders
- Crusaders
- Possibly a Ta$man based team too.
We need to expand the NZ comp slightly to make it less intense and an opportunity for more kiwi players
@mikedogz said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
If NZ go without OZ we need more teams. A stronger NPC based competition is never going to happen so:
...How is that better than playing the Aus teams? They have more players, an audience. Diluting the Super sides woudl be a disaster, particularly if you leave the Crusaders untouched.
Seriously, I think you'd have all the quality problems, but none of the upside
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Not sure if this was posted earlier.. This was in a NZH article
As for the future of the competition beyond this season, Hurricanes chief executive Avan Lee revealed to the Herald that two teams, one possibly being the Western Force, are willing to stay in New Zealand next year. "There are I understand teams from elsewhere in the world who are prepared to base themselves in New Zealand for a competition should the borders stay closed," Lee said. "It's working through that over the next few weeks and hopefully we'll have something to look at." -
Not sure if this was posted earlier.. This was in a NZH article
As for the future of the competition beyond this season, Hurricanes chief executive Avan Lee revealed to the Herald that two teams, one possibly being the Western Force, are willing to stay in New Zealand next year. "There are I understand teams from elsewhere in the world who are prepared to base themselves in New Zealand for a competition should the borders stay closed," Lee said. "It's working through that over the next few weeks and hopefully we'll have something to look at."@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Not sure if this was posted earlier.. This was in a NZH article
As for the future of the competition beyond this season, Hurricanes chief executive Avan Lee revealed to the Herald that two teams, one possibly being the Western Force, are willing to stay in New Zealand next year. "There are I understand teams from elsewhere in the world who are prepared to base themselves in New Zealand for a competition should the borders stay closed," Lee said. "It's working through that over the next few weeks and hopefully we'll have something to look at."Taranaki to move the Force?
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Not sure if this was posted earlier.. This was in a NZH article
As for the future of the competition beyond this season, Hurricanes chief executive Avan Lee revealed to the Herald that two teams, one possibly being the Western Force, are willing to stay in New Zealand next year. "There are I understand teams from elsewhere in the world who are prepared to base themselves in New Zealand for a competition should the borders stay closed," Lee said. "It's working through that over the next few weeks and hopefully we'll have something to look at."@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Not sure if this was posted earlier.. This was in a NZH article
As for the future of the competition beyond this season, Hurricanes chief executive Avan Lee revealed to the Herald that two teams, one possibly being the Western Force, are willing to stay in New Zealand next year. "There are I understand teams from elsewhere in the world who are prepared to base themselves in New Zealand for a competition should the borders stay closed," Lee said. "It's working through that over the next few weeks and hopefully we'll have something to look at."Now to be serious. I can only hope this is confused mud slinging.
Because that would be a shit result. And the crisis would have been wasted with temporary gap-filler rather than taken advantage of.
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@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Not sure if this was posted earlier.. This was in a NZH article
As for the future of the competition beyond this season, Hurricanes chief executive Avan Lee revealed to the Herald that two teams, one possibly being the Western Force, are willing to stay in New Zealand next year. "There are I understand teams from elsewhere in the world who are prepared to base themselves in New Zealand for a competition should the borders stay closed," Lee said. "It's working through that over the next few weeks and hopefully we'll have something to look at."Now to be serious. I can only hope this is confused mud slinging.
Because that would be a shit result. And the crisis would have been wasted with temporary gap-filler rather than taken advantage of.
@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Because that would be a shit result. And the crisis would have been wasted with temporary gap-filler rather than taken advantage of.
Yeah I hope this doesn't happen
I wonder who the other team might be? Jaguares?
Also how will the ARU react to this rumour? They are currently fighting for all five teams. Aren't the Force breaking ranks by exploring this? It'll be very messy if the other team is also Australian.
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Cynics would suggest that Forrest might be angling for some RA money for the Force to stay in an Aust competition.
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@Bovidae Yes, the billionaire is desperate to tap into the wide flowing river of gold that is Rugby Australia...
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@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Not sure if this was posted earlier.. This was in a NZH article
As for the future of the competition beyond this season, Hurricanes chief executive Avan Lee revealed to the Herald that two teams, one possibly being the Western Force, are willing to stay in New Zealand next year. "There are I understand teams from elsewhere in the world who are prepared to base themselves in New Zealand for a competition should the borders stay closed," Lee said. "It's working through that over the next few weeks and hopefully we'll have something to look at."Taranaki to move the Force?
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@Rapido not sure 'naki and the region is as flush as they were years back when floating the idea of a super base
@taniwharugby said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido not sure 'naki and the region is as flush as they were years back when floating the idea of a super base
That wont stop them flip flopping. Promise of 1 game a year at the Stratford athletics track, and the rest in Perth .....
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@barbarian I doubt he intends to be a charity forever, particularly if the Force can't play in Perth. All speculation at this point.
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Not sure if this was posted earlier.. This was in a NZH article
As for the future of the competition beyond this season, Hurricanes chief executive Avan Lee revealed to the Herald that two teams, one possibly being the Western Force, are willing to stay in New Zealand next year. "There are I understand teams from elsewhere in the world who are prepared to base themselves in New Zealand for a competition should the borders stay closed," Lee said. "It's working through that over the next few weeks and hopefully we'll have something to look at."@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Not sure if this was posted earlier.. This was in a NZH article
As for the future of the competition beyond this season, Hurricanes chief executive Avan Lee revealed to the Herald that two teams, one possibly being the Western Force, are willing to stay in New Zealand next year. "There are I understand teams from elsewhere in the world who are prepared to base themselves in New Zealand for a competition should the borders stay closed," Lee said. "It's working through that over the next few weeks and hopefully we'll have something to look at."Another quote from Lee from that same article is interesting, too:
"I think having a sixth team in New Zealand, which is being discussed, has some fish hooks in terms of where do the players come from, who pays the players, and how that impacts the five Kiwi teams." -
im worried if we made a six NZ team, it would naturally either be upper north island based and/or draw on a lot of fringe Auckland/counties/north harbour or the journeymen kind of guys...exactly the kind f players the Landers have often needed to fill the squad
I know this is a personal issue but if that was the case its not going to effect the Saders for example...so we're just going to make the gap from top of the ladder to bottom bigger...and that doesn't exactly sounds like an interesting comp
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I’m still pissed off the NZR thought the idea of announcing it all before talking to our partners was a good idea. Oh and not as a starting position but as an application process if the teams are good enough for NZ - jesus that’s some hammatuer hour stuff.
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im worried if we made a six NZ team, it would naturally either be upper north island based and/or draw on a lot of fringe Auckland/counties/north harbour or the journeymen kind of guys...exactly the kind f players the Landers have often needed to fill the squad
I know this is a personal issue but if that was the case its not going to effect the Saders for example...so we're just going to make the gap from top of the ladder to bottom bigger...and that doesn't exactly sounds like an interesting comp
@Kiwiwomble Yep, same argument that I have been making about the Aussies having 5 teams. Quality over quantity (and we have the M10 cup as well) so in this case less is more. If we could find another couple of high levels teams from somewhere then great, but don't lower the standard.
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im worried if we made a six NZ team, it would naturally either be upper north island based and/or draw on a lot of fringe Auckland/counties/north harbour or the journeymen kind of guys...exactly the kind f players the Landers have often needed to fill the squad
I know this is a personal issue but if that was the case its not going to effect the Saders for example...so we're just going to make the gap from top of the ladder to bottom bigger...and that doesn't exactly sounds like an interesting comp
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@Kiwiwomble Why would it necessarily be upper North Island based? Both North Harbour and Counties hardly have the turnstyles spinning rapidly when it comes to attendances at either of those two venues come NPC time.
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Question for Aussie posters.
How expandable is SR Australia with Reds and Warratahs.
If, for example. Were to keep existing 5 franchises. But expand by adding existing Sydney and Brisbane clubs. Would it work if clear separation from Reds and Warratahs as clubs rather than state teams?
Eg. Reds and Warratahs change their kits. Keep colours but use hoops rather than traditional state team kits.
NSW and Qld rep teams reborn for origin , but use Blues and Maroons branding
Say GPS Brothers, Randwick, Manly, Sydney Uni join.
Have league of:
Qld Reds
Brisbane Brothers
Brisbane GPS
Warratahs
Manly
Randwick
Sydney University
ACT Brumbies
Melbourne Rebels
Western ForceWould supporters of Warringah or Eastrrn Suburbs be still likely to follow Warratahs? Or get in a jealous hump that their close rivals have been elevated to national level?
Or if created NRC style regional pseudo-mergers. Would a Warratahs brand still work if also added a North Shore franchise? Or NSW Country? Or a Manly-Warringah, would a Manly-Warringah work?
Note. The club teams I have inserted just treat as hypothetical. Just trying to gauge ways ARU can expand domestic SR in future while keeping Warratahs and Reds brands.
@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Question for Aussie posters.
How expandable is SR Australia with Reds and Warratahs.
If, for example. Were to keep existing 5 franchises. But expand by adding existing Sydney and Brisbane clubs. Would it work if clear separation from Reds and Warratahs as clubs rather than state teams?
To answer this one - it's tough. A legacy strength and weakness for us is that our most popular teams are state based, being the Waratahs and Reds. So as you point out introducing a new city franchise would muddy the waters.
I tend to be against splitting those teams up, or creating new teams to sit alongside them in Sydney/Brisbane. I'm not sure we have the support base to begin with, and starting artificial sides is a tough business as the NRC showed.
I wonder if Rugby AU is drawn to the Pacifika idea because they could base themselves in Western Sydney (during Covid) and provide that second local team without clashing with the Tahs.
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@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Question for Aussie posters.
How expandable is SR Australia with Reds and Warratahs.
If, for example. Were to keep existing 5 franchises. But expand by adding existing Sydney and Brisbane clubs. Would it work if clear separation from Reds and Warratahs as clubs rather than state teams?
To answer this one - it's tough. A legacy strength and weakness for us is that our most popular teams are state based, being the Waratahs and Reds. So as you point out introducing a new city franchise would muddy the waters.
I tend to be against splitting those teams up, or creating new teams to sit alongside them in Sydney/Brisbane. I'm not sure we have the support base to begin with, and starting artificial sides is a tough business as the NRC showed.
I wonder if Rugby AU is drawn to the Pacifika idea because they could base themselves in Western Sydney (during Covid) and provide that second local team without clashing with the Tahs.
@barbarian was there any discussion around the ARC teams becoming the new basis for super rugby, RA focus funding/promoting them, super rugby players drop down to those teams etc?
