'Super Rugby' 2021
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I think Covid will probably see the end of the Trans- Ta$man competition plans.
My guess is we will see SuperAU and SuperNZ followed by a two week finals series with the top two sides in each comp going head to head.
Given they need to lock in agreements with broadcasters in the next month or so, signing up to a format that involves a lot of TT travel looks like it will be impossible to do.
@barbarian sadly I think you're right. It gives more time for NZR and AR to talk together, hopefully like adults, and sort out the future, too
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might not actually be a bad way to build back into this
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I am very much against basing a team anywhere with no local presence.
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I am very much against basing a team anywhere with no local presence.
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I am very much against basing a team anywhere with no local presence.
The Chiefs are a prime example of that not working.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I am very much against basing a team anywhere with no local presence.
The Chiefs are a prime example of that not working.
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I am very much against basing a team anywhere with no local presence.
The Chiefs are a prime example of that not working.
while I am not the Waikato's biggest fan...
That's unfair.
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I am very much against basing a team anywhere with no local presence.
The Chiefs are a prime example of that not working.
while I am not the Waikato's biggest fan...
That's unfair.
@mariner4life nope
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life you think it will damage NZ? will it be much worse than previous comps?
I mean if both teams go it alone. Australia need our quality, (sorry Aussies, it's arrogant but it's true);
we are simply too small to do it by ourselves.
In the end both unions either go broke, or lose too many players to big O/S contracts.
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life you think it will damage NZ? will it be much worse than previous comps?
I mean if both teams go it alone. Australia need our quality, (sorry Aussies, it's arrogant but it's true);
we are simply too small to do it by ourselves.
In the end both unions either go broke, or lose too many players to big O/S contracts.
I see I'm 10 pages behind this thread so am assuming I've been boobooed before I begin, but ...
... what does Oz offer us? The Rugby market here is probably barely as big as NZ, and worth nothing to Fox.
I think we are still stuck in the mindset that they have a bigger market.
So they have no with, no quality and no money.
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@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Why not? They have had pretty solid support, albeit with poor results. Regularly have big crowds at Bledisloes, tests etc.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Why not? They have had pretty solid support, albeit with poor results. Regularly have big crowds at Bledisloes, tests etc.
COVID?
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life you think it will damage NZ? will it be much worse than previous comps?
I mean if both teams go it alone. Australia need our quality, (sorry Aussies, it's arrogant but it's true);
we are simply too small to do it by ourselves.
In the end both unions either go broke, or lose too many players to big O/S contracts.
I see I'm 10 pages behind this thread so am assuming I've been boobooed before I begin, but ...
... what does Oz offer us? The Rugby market here is probably barely as big as NZ, and worth nothing to Fox.
I think we are still stuck in the mindset that they have a bigger market.
So they have no with, no quality and no money.
@booboo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life you think it will damage NZ? will it be much worse than previous comps?
I mean if both teams go it alone. Australia need our quality, (sorry Aussies, it's arrogant but it's true);
we are simply too small to do it by ourselves.
In the end both unions either go broke, or lose too many players to big O/S contracts.
I see I'm 10 pages behind this thread so am assuming I've been boobooed before I begin, but ...
... what does Oz offer us? The Rugby market here is probably barely as big as NZ, and worth nothing to Fox.
I think we are still stuck in the mindset that they have a bigger market.
So they have no with, no quality and no money.
Mainly they just have more teams. A 5 team competition isn't going to work so you may as well include the Aussie teams.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Why not? They have had pretty solid support, albeit with poor results. Regularly have big crowds at Bledisloes, tests etc.
COVID?
@booboo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Why not? They have had pretty solid support, albeit with poor results. Regularly have big crowds at Bledisloes, tests etc.
COVID?
In 2014?
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@booboo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Why not? They have had pretty solid support, albeit with poor results. Regularly have big crowds at Bledisloes, tests etc.
COVID?
In 2014?
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@booboo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Why not? They have had pretty solid support, albeit with poor results. Regularly have big crowds at Bledisloes, tests etc.
COVID?
In 2014?
It's a weird virus
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That suggestion reminds me of the AFL situation in SA. Adelaide was created as a greenfields club to represent the city, but later Port Adelaide was elevated from the SA league. This created massive division.
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
That suggestion reminds me of the AFL situation in SA. Adelaide was created as a greenfields club to represent the city, but later Port Adelaide was elevated from the SA league. This created massive division.
I think the issue was Port (biggest most successful club) tried to get entry to the AFL and the other SANFL clubs banded together to stop them. But I digress...
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
That suggestion reminds me of the AFL situation in SA. Adelaide was created as a greenfields club to represent the city, but later Port Adelaide was elevated from the SA league. This created massive division.
I think the issue was Port (biggest most successful club) tried to get entry to the AFL and the other SANFL clubs banded together to stop them. But I digress...
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life you think it will damage NZ? will it be much worse than previous comps?
I mean if both teams go it alone. Australia need our quality, (sorry Aussies, it's arrogant but it's true);
we are simply too small to do it by ourselves.
In the end both unions either go broke, or lose too many players to big O/S contracts.
I see I'm 10 pages behind this thread so am assuming I've been boobooed before I begin, but ...
... what does Oz offer us? The Rugby market here is probably barely as big as NZ, and worth nothing to Fox.
I think we are still stuck in the mindset that they have a bigger market.
So they have no with, no quality and no money.
@booboo NRZ seemed to conclude pretty early that a 5 team comp is not sustainable - so they need some additional teams. Obviously they just want the Tahs/Brumbies/Reds without having to worry about the Rebels or Force.
Issue is, it would be suicide for RA to exclude both those teams again. So they won't budge on the 5 team minimum. Hence the deadlock.
Both countries need each other in some capacity and both unions have ego's the size of celestial bodies.
In terms of market size - yeah the Australian market is currently smaller. But NZ is at saturation. It can't get any bigger. Rugby has previously been bigger in Australia and clearly has the capacity to improve with some half decent management (good luck finding that though).
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@booboo NRZ seemed to conclude pretty early that a 5 team comp is not sustainable - so they need some additional teams. Obviously they just want the Tahs/Brumbies/Reds without having to worry about the Rebels or Force.
Issue is, it would be suicide for RA to exclude both those teams again. So they won't budge on the 5 team minimum. Hence the deadlock.
Both countries need each other in some capacity and both unions have ego's the size of celestial bodies.
In terms of market size - yeah the Australian market is currently smaller. But NZ is at saturation. It can't get any bigger. Rugby has previously been bigger in Australia and clearly has the capacity to improve with some half decent management (good luck finding that though).
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
clearly has the capacity to improve with some half decent management (good luck finding that though).
Have 3 teams that can win? In the most populous area of the country? Might help with crowds and viewer numbers. Watching poor quality rugby with 5 Aus teams seems unlikely to I reckon. It spreads the talent and all of the teams could be weaker.
Aus has about 87,000 registered players, NZ has around 150,000. 1 good team per 30,000 leaves you with...3 Aus teams. Admittedly a simplistic equation but also indicative of the way things panned out with expansion teams.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
clearly has the capacity to improve with some half decent management (good luck finding that though).
Have 3 teams that can win? In the most populous area of the country? Might help with crowds and viewer numbers. Watching poor quality rugby with 5 Aus teams seems unlikely to I reckon. It spreads the talent and all of the teams could be weaker.
Aus has about 87,000 registered players, NZ has around 150,000. 1 good team per 30,000 leaves you with...3 Aus teams. Admittedly a simplistic equation but also indicative of the way things panned out with expansion teams.
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@Snowy As i said. Whether or not it would work (i don't think it would bring us back to the 'glory days' myself) it's not a realistic option. You can say is as often as you want but i can't see RA ever agreeing to it.
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@Derpus I guess we should tell them to piss off then.
If they are bringing a weaker product, I for one, don't want it. Have fun on your own I guess.I wouldn't renew a Sky subscription to see it.
SRA was really good.
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@antipodean Six years ago. How long did that take to find?
Got 30k to Ireland a few years ago, I'd reckon that's decent enough. Boosted by expats, sure, but that's why the city has potential to sustain a team. The interest is there.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean Six years ago. How long did that take to find?
Got 30k to Ireland a few years ago, I'd reckon that's decent enough. Boosted by expats, sure, but that's why the city has potential to sustain a team. The interest is there.
As said several pages ago - for domestic rugby - no, it isn't. Once a year, to watch the national team, there is sufficient interest to fill AAMI Park with 30k. That's not enough to sustain a local team week-after-week during the AFL season.
