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A Global Season?

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    https://www.rte.ie/sport/six-nations/2020/0522/1139971-six-nations-sanzaar-calendar/

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      Wasn't quite sure where to put this, here seems as good a place as any.

      The Walrus has excelled himself :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

      https://www.ultimaterugby.com/news/carter-and-wilkinson-ranked-10th-and-8th-in-the-10-best-flyhalves-off-all-time-by-british-pundit/626299?fbclid=IwAR1sC7Ql8O9a4JdmNSN7Nc6YeBOMl6liBs73-hRAr9SUZdxtNvX066tQJIk

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      @Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:

      Wasn't quite sure where to put this, here seems as good a place as any.

      The Walrus has excelled himself :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

      https://www.ultimaterugby.com/news/carter-and-wilkinson-ranked-10th-and-8th-in-the-10-best-flyhalves-off-all-time-by-british-pundit/626299?fbclid=IwAR1sC7Ql8O9a4JdmNSN7Nc6YeBOMl6liBs73-hRAr9SUZdxtNvX066tQJIk

      There's a second article linked where they each list their top 10 test captains. Barnes' list had Itoje and Jones' list had Dayglo...

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      • BonesB Bones

        https://www.rte.ie/sport/six-nations/2020/0522/1139971-six-nations-sanzaar-calendar/

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        @Bones said in NH International Rugby:

        https://www.rte.ie/sport/six-nations/2020/0522/1139971-six-nations-sanzaar-calendar/

        this seems to be buried in this thread, but this is potentially massive news. Another article below

        https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/may/22/six-nations-and-sanzaar-edge-closer-to-joint-deal-on-global-calendar-shift

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          Yeah playing 6N and RC at the same time would be massive, sort a lot of calendar problems

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            It's also shows how flexible SANZAAR are. 6N can say how great they are moving it a month, good on them. But the RC then will either be, once again, during super rugby, this time towards the start, or before SR with a massive calendar change. That's a shit time for SH.

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              It's also shows how flexible SANZAAR are. 6N can say how great they are moving it a month, good on them. But the RC then will either be, once again, during super rugby, this time towards the start, or before SR with a massive calendar change. That's a shit time for SH.

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              @Machpants said in NH International Rugby:

              It's also shows how flexible SANZAAR are. 6N can say how great they are moving it a month, good on them. But the RC then will either be, once again, during super rugby, this time towards the start, or before SR with a massive calendar change. That's a shit time for SH.

              Seems good on the surface, but will have hte same effect on NH comps I suspect. Unless they realign as well.
              NH: Autumn Internationals (october/november?) -> Club rugby comps --> March/April 6N+ SH tours May/June. Offseason July-Sept

              SH: March/April 6N + NG Tours (May/June) -> Super June-Oct --> Autumn Internationals (october/november?). Offseason Dec-Feb. Maybe there's a warmup somehwere in March (early Super rounds?) but it would be damn awkward.

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                The tours look to be both in autumn now, not split, but yeah anything to fix the mess out would be good

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                  The tours look to be both in autumn now, not split, but yeah anything to fix the mess out would be good

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                  @Machpants said in NH International Rugby:

                  The tours look to be both in autumn now, not split, but yeah anything to fix the mess out would be good

                  Yep, PlanetRugby actually has a useful article. So there would just be a break in the club comps for 6N/RC and other rugby? Then we'd lose June tours, but get October tours?

                  Principles below

                  https://www.planetrugby.com/sanzaar-and-six-nations-holds-talks-over-global-calendar/

                  1. Significantly mitigate overlaps between club and country fixtures

                  2. Better aligned player release windows for players, stakeholders and competitions

                  3. Improve player welfare

                  4. Improve narrative and competitiveness of International and Domestic Competitions around clear windows

                  5. Define clear high-performance pathways for Emerging Nations through the delivery of an internationally more inclusive game

                  6. Evolve competition structures that are underpinned with enhanced commercial offerings

                  7. Restore public faith in the core values of rugby and showing strong collective leadership in the best interests of the game.

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                    @Machpants said in NH International Rugby:

                    The tours look to be both in autumn now, not split, but yeah anything to fix the mess out would be good

                    Yep, PlanetRugby actually has a useful article. So there would just be a break in the club comps for 6N/RC and other rugby? Then we'd lose June tours, but get October tours?

                    Principles below

                    https://www.planetrugby.com/sanzaar-and-six-nations-holds-talks-over-global-calendar/

                    1. Significantly mitigate overlaps between club and country fixtures

                    2. Better aligned player release windows for players, stakeholders and competitions

                    3. Improve player welfare

                    4. Improve narrative and competitiveness of International and Domestic Competitions around clear windows

                    5. Define clear high-performance pathways for Emerging Nations through the delivery of an internationally more inclusive game

                    6. Evolve competition structures that are underpinned with enhanced commercial offerings

                    7. Restore public faith in the core values of rugby and showing strong collective leadership in the best interests of the game.

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                    @nzzp said in NH International Rugby:

                    @Machpants said in NH International Rugby:

                    The tours look to be both in autumn now, not split, but yeah anything to fix the mess out would be good

                    Yep, PlanetRugby actually has a useful article. So there would just be a break in the club comps for 6N/RC and other rugby? Then we'd lose June tours, but get October tours?

                    Principles below

                    https://www.planetrugby.com/sanzaar-and-six-nations-holds-talks-over-global-calendar/

                    1. Significantly mitigate overlaps between club and country fixtures

                    2. Better aligned player release windows for players, stakeholders and competitions

                    3. Improve player welfare

                    4. Improve narrative and competitiveness of International and Domestic Competitions around clear windows

                    5. Define clear high-performance pathways for Emerging Nations through the delivery of an internationally more inclusive game

                    6. Evolve competition structures that are underpinned with enhanced commercial offerings

                    7. Restore public faith in the core values of rugby and showing strong collective leadership in the best interests of the game.

                    And Planet Rugby win corporate wankword bingo in one article.

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                    • CatograndeC Catogrande

                      @nzzp said in NH International Rugby:

                      @Machpants said in NH International Rugby:

                      The tours look to be both in autumn now, not split, but yeah anything to fix the mess out would be good

                      Yep, PlanetRugby actually has a useful article. So there would just be a break in the club comps for 6N/RC and other rugby? Then we'd lose June tours, but get October tours?

                      Principles below

                      https://www.planetrugby.com/sanzaar-and-six-nations-holds-talks-over-global-calendar/

                      1. Significantly mitigate overlaps between club and country fixtures

                      2. Better aligned player release windows for players, stakeholders and competitions

                      3. Improve player welfare

                      4. Improve narrative and competitiveness of International and Domestic Competitions around clear windows

                      5. Define clear high-performance pathways for Emerging Nations through the delivery of an internationally more inclusive game

                      6. Evolve competition structures that are underpinned with enhanced commercial offerings

                      7. Restore public faith in the core values of rugby and showing strong collective leadership in the best interests of the game.

                      And Planet Rugby win corporate wankword bingo in one article.

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                      @Catogrande that's world rugby. Planet rugby just repeated it.

                      Classic corporate committee

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                      • M Machpants

                        The tours look to be both in autumn now, not split, but yeah anything to fix the mess out would be good

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                        @Machpants said in A Global Season?:

                        The tours look to be both in autumn now, not split, but yeah anything to fix the mess out would be good

                        March April May?

                        It's autumn now.

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                          From what I have read the proposal is that NH teams come south in October and then the SH teams head north in November. That would mean 7-8 test matches over 2 months, and for the SH teams the RC needs to be played before that period (July-Sep?).

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                            @Machpants said in A Global Season?:

                            The tours look to be both in autumn now, not split, but yeah anything to fix the mess out would be good

                            March April May?

                            It's autumn now.

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                            I'm cautiously ok with this.

                            1. It would make RWC year TRCs worth playing? Instead of some curse teams want to lose on purpose.

                            But I also want SR to fuck off out of my cricket season. So dont want it starting too soon to give enough warm up for the TRC.

                            1. Having the regional/continental annual tournaments in 1 block, with no club rugby overlap, good for the Americas Rugby Championship and the Rugby Europe one. Good for a) player release, and b) rugby Europe currently has Russia playing their test championship in their frozen off season.

                            2. A combined back to back 'NH autumn' window (assume 6 weeks?) would allow my proposed second regional tournament, the Pan-Pacs, to not have to squeeze into a 3 week November window, would really need 4 weeks minimum.

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                              @Machpants said in A Global Season?:

                              The tours look to be both in autumn now, not split, but yeah anything to fix the mess out would be good

                              March April May?

                              It's autumn now.

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                              @booboo autumn NH

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                                @booboo autumn NH

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                                @Machpants said in A Global Season?:

                                @booboo autumn NH

                                It's a bugbear of mine (I have a few).

                                I find calling them Autumn Internationals, when they happen in Spring, arrogant and self- important, like calling a national body of the sport The Rugby Union.

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                                  @Machpants said in A Global Season?:

                                  @booboo autumn NH

                                  It's a bugbear of mine (I have a few).

                                  I find calling them Autumn Internationals, when they happen in Spring, arrogant and self- important, like calling a national body of the sport The Rugby Union.

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                                  @booboo narp, when you're first, you don't have to differentiate. Prime example Royal Air Force.

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                                    @booboo narp, when you're first, you don't have to differentiate. Prime example Royal Air Force.

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                                    @Machpants we'll probably just remain on separate sides of that argument

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                                      TV3 news saying that the likely new format will be as I describe above.

                                      Super Rugby
                                      Rugby Championship
                                      All Blacks home series (October)
                                      Northern Tour (November)

                                      That's going to be one hell of a test workload for the ABs and other SH nations, more than even a RWC, with 3-4 months of test matches and travel as part of that. Rob Nicol is rightly concerned about player welfare.

                                      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/05/rugby-international-test-rugby-calendar-could-be-set-for-major-overhaul.html

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                                        TV3 news saying that the likely new format will be as I describe above.

                                        Super Rugby
                                        Rugby Championship
                                        All Blacks home series (October)
                                        Northern Tour (November)

                                        That's going to be one hell of a test workload for the ABs and other SH nations, more than even a RWC, with 3-4 months of test matches and travel as part of that. Rob Nicol is rightly concerned about player welfare.

                                        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/05/rugby-international-test-rugby-calendar-could-be-set-for-major-overhaul.html

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                                        @Bovidae said in A Global Season?:

                                        TV3 news saying that the likely new format will be as I describe above.

                                        Super Rugby
                                        Rugby Championship
                                        All Blacks home series (October)
                                        Northern Tour (November)

                                        That's going to be one hell of a test workload for the ABs and other SH nations, more than even a RWC, with 3-4 months of test matches and travel as part of that. Rob Nicol is rightly concerned about player welfare.

                                        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/05/rugby-international-test-rugby-calendar-could-be-set-for-major-overhaul.html

                                        How is this any better for us than what happens right now? Surely any Nations League could be achieved whatever the calendar looks like. People have harped on about a global season for years but I have not seen one proposal that is better than the status quo in terms of season structure. Maybe some other structures will make us more money?

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                                          TV3 news saying that the likely new format will be as I describe above.

                                          Super Rugby
                                          Rugby Championship
                                          All Blacks home series (October)
                                          Northern Tour (November)

                                          That's going to be one hell of a test workload for the ABs and other SH nations, more than even a RWC, with 3-4 months of test matches and travel as part of that. Rob Nicol is rightly concerned about player welfare.

                                          https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/05/rugby-international-test-rugby-calendar-could-be-set-for-major-overhaul.html

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                                          @Bovidae said in A Global Season?:

                                          TV3 news saying that the likely new format will be as I describe above.

                                          Super Rugby
                                          Rugby Championship
                                          All Blacks home series (October)
                                          Northern Tour (November)

                                          That's going to be one hell of a test workload for the ABs and other SH nations, more than even a RWC, with 3-4 months of test matches and travel as part of that. Rob Nicol is rightly concerned about player welfare.

                                          https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/05/rugby-international-test-rugby-calendar-could-be-set-for-major-overhaul.html

                                          That's ridiculous. What muppet thinks that is sustainable?

                                          I'm with Rob - tours make more sense and would be awesome for fans.

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