North vs South
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@Bones said in North vs South:
@Siam said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
@Siam said in North vs South:
Jordan might be a smokey for the AB's tomorrow?
Oh yeah that would be such a massive surprise...I'm just saying it's a possibility, is all...
Sotutu would be another completely out of left field eh...
Not the smokey of having at least one Barrett in black, that would be a shocker!
@Machpants said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
@Siam said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
@Siam said in North vs South:
Jordan might be a smokey for the AB's tomorrow?
Oh yeah that would be such a massive surprise...I'm just saying it's a possibility, is all...
Sotutu would be another completely out of left field eh...
Not the smokey of having at least one Barrett in black, that would be a shocker!
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@gt12 said in North vs South:
I’m happy to forgive Clarke too but I’d hope that he learns from it.
Hopefully he's a better learner than DMac...
@Bones said in North vs South:
@gt12 said in North vs South:
I’m happy to forgive Clarke too but I’d hope that he learns from it.
Hopefully he's a better learner than DMac...
I agree about that.
He will I hope; he’s going to be a long-term AB IMO. Has the skills to go to the midfield later too.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in North vs South:
The lineout throwing in this game has been attrocious
Looked a normal windy Welly night, so throwing short should’ve been the order of the day.
@ACT-Crusader said in North vs South:
@WillieTheWaiter said in North vs South:
The lineout throwing in this game has been attrocious
Looked a normal windy Welly night, so throwing short should’ve been the order of the day.
Yep, it's quite windy in Wellington.
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My best 15 of the day.
- Joe Moody
- Codie Taylor
- Nepo Laulala
- Samuel Whitelock (captain)
- Patrick Tuipulotu
- Shannon Frizell
- Tom Christie
- Hoskins Sotutu
- TJ Perenara
- Beauden Barrett
- Caleb Clarke
- Anton Lienert-Brown
- Rieko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Damian McKenzie
Pretty hard on Dunshea, Saunders, Ardie, Mo'unga and Jordie who all had good games but think their opposites did enough to edge them out. For Jordie, he does so much right but there are still mistakes under pressure and I think DMac has the edge in terms of decision making/mobility for reacting to defensive breakdowns.
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My best 15 of the day.
- Joe Moody
- Codie Taylor
- Nepo Laulala
- Samuel Whitelock (captain)
- Patrick Tuipulotu
- Shannon Frizell
- Tom Christie
- Hoskins Sotutu
- TJ Perenara
- Beauden Barrett
- Caleb Clarke
- Anton Lienert-Brown
- Rieko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Damian McKenzie
Pretty hard on Dunshea, Saunders, Ardie, Mo'unga and Jordie who all had good games but think their opposites did enough to edge them out. For Jordie, he does so much right but there are still mistakes under pressure and I think DMac has the edge in terms of decision making/mobility for reacting to defensive breakdowns.
DMac over Jordie
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@antipodean where did the ref say this. I might have missed it, but he explained that he's opinion is the maul was over and the players Infront of the ball carriers caused obstruction. that's what he explained to the captain
@Rebound said in North vs South:
@antipodean where did the ref say this. I might have missed it, but he explained that he's opinion is the maul was over and the players Infront of the ball carriers caused obstruction. that's what he explained to the captain
Actually you raise a point and I should in all fairness respond: I don't recall what the ref said, I just saw Laulala's infringement and @Tim saw the same thing, so call it confirmation bias.
The problem with your interpretation is all the defence has to do is wheel around the base of the maul and the attackers would be obliged to follow them around. Ultimately until they were driving a maul towards their own try line.
Hence why a maul can splinter and continue to drive forwards.
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Decent game in the end.
Glad it wasn’t decided by the held up try that the ref didn’t bother to check. The Lead changed 7 times the comms were saying. Bet that doesn’t happen that often.Bridge and Reese were fucking anonymous.
Clarke, Jordan and Ioane should be the AB wings.
Hopefully Clarke learns from that tap back to Jordan.
IMO the “Jordan on the wing = defensive issues” line is a myth. Especially when compared with the other contenders who are no where near perfect.Good to see Sotutu return and play well. Akira was a bit disappointing really.
Dmac was better than he has been but Jordie is way ahead now.
Lineout throwing from whoever the 3rd choice hooker is has got to be high on the “work on” list.
Hard to make a call on the hyped battle of the 10s.
The South played mostly through their forwards and RM missed a chunk of the game for an HIA then got subbed so didn’t feature much.
BB was ok and had some decent touches but didn’t impact the game a hell of a lot. He just seems to look a bit old.
Hopefully he can find his form again. This disrupted season and next years sabbatical aren’t going to help unfortunately. -
Don't think Roane or Aoane did themselves any favours today. Reiko had a couple of nice touches though and was still the best 13 on display.
Awesome to see Sotutu step up with ease. What can't he do?
How many pens and fuck ups from Ardie?
DMac is just utter shit.
Nice to see ALB get a little bit of form back.
A Smith didn't have his greatest game.
@Bones said in North vs South:
Don't think Roane or Aoane did themselves any favours today. Reiko had a couple of nice touches though and was still the best 13 on display.
Awesome to see Sotutu step up with ease. What can't he do?
How many pens and fuck ups from Ardie?
DMac is just utter shit.
Nice to see ALB get a little bit of form back.
A Smith didn't have his greatest game.
Ridiculous take
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@Bones said in North vs South:
Don't think Roane or Aoane did themselves any favours today. Reiko had a couple of nice touches though and was still the best 13 on display.
Awesome to see Sotutu step up with ease. What can't he do?
How many pens and fuck ups from Ardie?
DMac is just utter shit.
Nice to see ALB get a little bit of form back.
A Smith didn't have his greatest game.
Ridiculous take
@kpkanz said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
Don't think Roane or Aoane did themselves any favours today. Reiko had a couple of nice touches though and was still the best 13 on display.
Awesome to see Sotutu step up with ease. What can't he do?
How many pens and fuck ups from Ardie?
DMac is just utter shit.
Nice to see ALB get a little bit of form back.
A Smith didn't have his greatest game.
Ridiculous take
Good chat.
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Good to see the Souths rolling maul try included in the highlights :face_with_tears_of_joy:
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@Bones said in North vs South:
@kpkanz said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
Don't think Roane or Aoane did themselves any favours today. Reiko had a couple of nice touches though and was still the best 13 on display.
Awesome to see Sotutu step up with ease. What can't he do?
How many pens and fuck ups from Ardie?
DMac is just utter shit.
Nice to see ALB get a little bit of form back.
A Smith didn't have his greatest game.
Ridiculous take
Good chat.
He was involved in 3 of the 5 north tries. Easily one of the norths best today. Amazing how you got 'utter shit' from that.
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@Bones said in North vs South:
@kpkanz said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
Don't think Roane or Aoane did themselves any favours today. Reiko had a couple of nice touches though and was still the best 13 on display.
Awesome to see Sotutu step up with ease. What can't he do?
How many pens and fuck ups from Ardie?
DMac is just utter shit.
Nice to see ALB get a little bit of form back.
A Smith didn't have his greatest game.
Ridiculous take
Good chat.
He was involved in 3 of the 5 north tries. Easily one of the norths best today. Amazing how you got 'utter shit' from that.
@kpkanz said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
@kpkanz said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
Don't think Roane or Aoane did themselves any favours today. Reiko had a couple of nice touches though and was still the best 13 on display.
Awesome to see Sotutu step up with ease. What can't he do?
How many pens and fuck ups from Ardie?
DMac is just utter shit.
Nice to see ALB get a little bit of form back.
A Smith didn't have his greatest game.
Ridiculous take
Good chat.
He was involved in 3 of the 5 north tries. Easily one of the norths best today. Amazing how you got 'utter shit' from that.
Thanks, I'm pretty amazing.
How many times did he meekly turn the ball over or completely destroy any attacking play whilst losing ground? He played exactly the way he's played all year - makes the odd break or two if others put him away, but more often than not runs across field completely killing any of his teammates opportunities.
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DMac over Jordie
@Bones said in North vs South:
DMac over Jordie
For me - yes.
DMac made a number of the Norths attacks and while Jordie was a key player for the South with his kicking and size/strength when attacking, Jordie also had a period in the first half where he made a few mistakes and went quiet for 10 minutes. I'll rewatch later and make a note of when but the South were on attack around the 30 minute mark and there were back-to-back mistakes by Jordie that cost momentum.
My concern around Jordie is that he gives you a try most of the time but costs you a try more often if he hits one of those quiet periods so DMac is a little safe. He has improved this year and I would certainly want to see more of him as a utility back pressing for the starting 15 spot against some teams, but I would take DMac ahead of him on today's game.
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@Bones said in North vs South:
DMac over Jordie
For me - yes.
DMac made a number of the Norths attacks and while Jordie was a key player for the South with his kicking and size/strength when attacking, Jordie also had a period in the first half where he made a few mistakes and went quiet for 10 minutes. I'll rewatch later and make a note of when but the South were on attack around the 30 minute mark and there were back-to-back mistakes by Jordie that cost momentum.
My concern around Jordie is that he gives you a try most of the time but costs you a try more often if he hits one of those quiet periods so DMac is a little safe. He has improved this year and I would certainly want to see more of him as a utility back pressing for the starting 15 spot against some teams, but I would take DMac ahead of him on today's game.
@PecoTrain it's like I'm in reverse world.
Last year I would have agreed with you but this year Jordie has gone from strength to strength and I would say has well and truly shaken off his erratic tag while DMac has gone so far the other way it's not funny.
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@kpkanz said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
@kpkanz said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
Don't think Roane or Aoane did themselves any favours today. Reiko had a couple of nice touches though and was still the best 13 on display.
Awesome to see Sotutu step up with ease. What can't he do?
How many pens and fuck ups from Ardie?
DMac is just utter shit.
Nice to see ALB get a little bit of form back.
A Smith didn't have his greatest game.
Ridiculous take
Good chat.
He was involved in 3 of the 5 north tries. Easily one of the norths best today. Amazing how you got 'utter shit' from that.
Thanks, I'm pretty amazing.
How many times did he meekly turn the ball over or completely destroy any attacking play whilst losing ground? He played exactly the way he's played all year - makes the odd break or two if others put him away, but more often than not runs across field completely killing any of his teammates opportunities.
@Bones said in North vs South:
Thanks, I'm pretty amazing.
How many times did he meekly turn the ball over or completely destroy any attacking play whilst losing ground? He played exactly the way he's played all year - makes the odd break or two if others put him away, but more often than not runs across field completely killing any of his teammates opportunities.I can genuinely only remember one mistake which was the pass to ground, other than that he was consistently putting other players in open space as well as creating opportunities for himself.
There is clear bias involved here if you think his game today was 'utter shit'. He was easily top 5 on the north team. If he was utter shit today, literally 25/30 other players on the pitch must be abysmal to you.
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@Bones said in North vs South:
Thanks, I'm pretty amazing.
How many times did he meekly turn the ball over or completely destroy any attacking play whilst losing ground? He played exactly the way he's played all year - makes the odd break or two if others put him away, but more often than not runs across field completely killing any of his teammates opportunities.I can genuinely only remember one mistake which was the pass to ground, other than that he was consistently putting other players in open space as well as creating opportunities for himself.
There is clear bias involved here if you think his game today was 'utter shit'. He was easily top 5 on the north team. If he was utter shit today, literally 25/30 other players on the pitch must be abysmal to you.
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@Bones said in North vs South:
@kpkanz
what would that bias be?I can only think of external factors if you watched that game today and thought he was 'utter shit'.
@kpkanz said in North vs South:
@Bones said in North vs South:
@kpkanz
what would that bias be?I can only think of external factors if you watched that game today and thought he was 'utter shit'.
I can only think of clear bias if you watched an experienced AB play like that today and didn't think he was playing utter shit (for him). He runs across field, and unless he's put into space by someone else generally kills the attack. The most obvious one, he had three glaringly better options than running across to the sideline and popping an utter shit pass to no-one. Three! An experienced AB. He chose the fourth utter shit option. At test level, that is what all his less noticeable meanders to nowhere will result in.
But you make a good point, Mitch Hunt might be the safer option.
Oh and welcome aboard!
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Ref poor. Jordie looked great in Superrugby...now he is looking sublime...machine...Another nice tight NZ match
