Ultimate NPC: - Northland
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@kev I could easily be convinced of Payne over Johnston, The Boot just carries a bit more mana I reckon, even though Payne was a more well rounded and dangerous player, similarly someone over Murray, who I agree wasnt a strong scrummager, even though he was very good at times...very inconsistent, so yeah I could go with Storey over him (Storey played 36 times for Northland and 3 for the Blues as a sub)
While Dunn played higher than Holwell, I'm still not sold, think it is about 60/40 for me.
@taniwharugby Don’t get me wrong. All the players are in the frame. Warren Johnstone kicked the ball further and higher than anyone I have ever seen and was a good footballer for a big man. Holwell is the toughest player we have ever had and just got better every year....but Eddie Dunn played 20 times for ABs with two tests.
The other propping option is Wayne Neville.
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@kev said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
@Nepia After Holmes I would have gone for Neil Ruddell.
Ian Ruddell was very good, heady loose forward { No. 8 or 7). He made NZ age grade and trials from memory. Perhaps lacking a little mongrel at times?
The only slight problem with this discussion is that you are comparing amateurs with professionials (or semi professionials).
So the likes of Peter Sloane, Joe Morgan, Going/ Woodman/Dunn/Phillips whanau are all at at are slight disadvantage. It's all great fun though... -
have to be Bronson if no Guy then, over 100 games for Northland, over 40 super games plus 7 for NZ Maori.
So just 10 now - Dunn or Holwell?
1 - Con Barrell (Northland/North Auckland Caps - 77, AB's - 4 matches, 0 tests)
2 - Whitcombe (20,5) Sloane (146, 1)
3 - Bronson Murray (104, 0)
4 - Ian Jones (66, 79)
5 - Glenn Taylor (143, 1)
6 - Norm Maxwell (38, 36)
7 - Gus Collins (114, 0)
8 - Bevan Holmes (90, 31, 0)
9 - Sid Going (110, 29)
10 - David Holwell (115, 0) Eddie Dunn (107, 2)
11 - Rupeni Caucau (21, 0)
12 - Jack Goodhue (9, 14)
13 - Norm Berryman (107*, 1)
14 - Rene Ranger (88, 6)
15 - Warren Johnstone (161, 0)@Pepe Holmes taught my brother at Primary School for a while too, not sure if that says much given you know my brother haha
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@taniwharugby
Are you alluding that he was a better rugby player than teacher? ... :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: ...@Pepe Haha more like pushing something uphill with a toothpick getting him to sit still and learn
Yea always gonna encounter issues comparing players from eras.
Colin Meads is a prime example, one of our greatest ever players, yet isn't really tall enough for a lock in today's game, Bert Cooke, supposedly the Christian Cullen of his day, yet he weighed in at 65kg, arent many kids playing 1st 15 rugby that low anymore, but both still worthy of being considered greats of our game.
Always remember a bit in Meads book where the current AB dietician at the time was discussing it with Meads, and he was like we ate this, did that and we did well, the response was imagine how much better you could have been with current diet and training...which he didn't have a response to
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@kev said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
@Nepia After Holmes I would have gone for Neil Ruddell.
Ian Ruddell was very good, heady loose forward { No. 8 or 7). He made NZ age grade and trials from memory. Perhaps lacking a little mongrel at times?
The only slight problem with this discussion is that you are comparing amateurs with professionials (or semi professionials).
So the likes of Peter Sloane, Joe Morgan, Going/ Woodman/Dunn/Phillips whanau are all at at are slight disadvantage. It's all great fun though... -
@kev said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
@Nepia After Holmes I would have gone for Neil Ruddell.
As I’m not a dirty Northlander, I have no idea who Ruddell is but have watched rugby with Holmes.
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looks a pretty handy side, even putting Goodhue at 12 (where he played well for Northland)
Berryman, Ranger & Rupeni...that pack could supply them some quality ball
@Gunner said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
1 - Con Barrell (Northland/North Auckland Caps - 77, AB's - 4 matches, 0 tests)
2 - Whitcombe (20,5)
3 - Mike Storey (36,0)
4 - Ian Jones (66, 79)
5 - Norm Maxwell (38, 36)
6 - Glenn Taylor (143, 1)
7 - Gus Collins (114, 0)
8 - Bevan Holmes (90, 31, 0)
9 - Sid Going (110, 29)
10 - David Holwell (115, 0)
11 - Rupeni Caucau (21, 0)
12 - Jack Goodhue (9, 14)
13 - Norm Berryman (107, 1)
14 - Rene Ranger (88, 6)
15 - Jared Payne (36, Ire 20, B & I Lions 0)@taniwharugby yep that’s a quality side.
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@kev said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
@Nepia After Holmes I would have gone for Neil Ruddell.
Ian Ruddell was very good, heady loose forward { No. 8 or 7). He made NZ age grade and trials from memory. Perhaps lacking a little mongrel at times?
The only slight problem with this discussion is that you are comparing amateurs with professionials (or semi professionials).
So the likes of Peter Sloane, Joe Morgan, Going/ Woodman/Dunn/Phillips whanau are all at at are slight disadvantage. It's all great fun though... -
@Pepe Agree with you on Ruddell. He was a bit unlucky when it came to higher honours, sort of the Duane Monkely of North Auckland. Your finalised team looks very vulnerable without a Woodman on the wing and especially a Dunn at first five.
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@Pepe I would agree with the lack of mongrel comment. Similar for someone like Colin Phillips, whereas Ian ‘Wuz’ Phillips had plenty.
