Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Going against the grain here, I'm fine with the 14/15 selections. As I said a few days ago, BB is just way too good, even in current not-his-best form, to only play 30minutes. He needs to be there for 80, Md he is fit enough that he can still provide spark at the end without needing to have fresh legs.
JB also deserves a start, as he has been in great form, and provides a real point of difference with his size and place kicking from distance. I expect a few high balls to be sent to his wing in attack.
I dislike JG at 12, and Bridge is uninspiring. And I would def have started Sotutu and brought Savea off the bench for 35 minutes at whatever loose position he could best serve.
so play Jordie at 12! he'll be better than bloody Goodhue there.
And you know that because .... he has played so often at 12 in recent years?
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Going against the grain here, I'm fine with the 14/15 selections. As I said a few days ago, BB is just way too good, even in current not-his-best form, to only play 30minutes. He needs to be there for 80, Md he is fit enough that he can still provide spark at the end without needing to have fresh legs.
JB also deserves a start, as he has been in great form, and provides a real point of difference with his size and place kicking from distance. I expect a few high balls to be sent to his wing in attack.
I dislike JG at 12, and Bridge is uninspiring. And I would def have started Sotutu and brought Savea off the bench for 35 minutes at whatever loose position he could best serve.
so play Jordie at 12! he'll be better than bloody Goodhue there.
And you know that because .... he has played so often at 12 in recent years?
I don't bloody know that, but playing him out of position and taking up a wing spot ... you may as well play him out of position and replace another out of position player, and let a proper right wing play.
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@mariner4life should still be more than adequate to see off a young Wallabies side with a new coach at home.
that's setting a very low bar of expectation
also, i really rate your coach. I remember how short a space of time it took him to turn around the Chiefs (like 3 weeks). And what he was able to do with the talent available. Those title winning Chiefs sides were much greater than the sum of their parts.
You also have some good young talent, and you've selected them. Right now, in the phony war stage, you blokes should be much happier.
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Derpus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@mariner4life should still be more than adequate to see off a young Wallabies side with a new coach at home.
that's setting a very low bar of expectation
also, i really rate your coach. I remember how short a space of time it took him to turn around the Chiefs (like 3 weeks). And what he was able to do with the talent available. Those title winning Chiefs sides were much greater than the sum of their parts.
You also have some good young talent, and you've selected them. Right now, in the phony war stage, you blokes should be much happier.
It’s the only bar in town though.
Usually we’ve had an opportunity against a tier 2 side and then a couple of tests against a NH side to try a few different things.
Our record against OZ over the past 16 years of holding Bledisloe is undeniable, they do challenge us and Rennie will bring something different to MC.
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In isolation I do not mind Jordie on the wing. He’s got a bit of early Ben Smith to him and back when Dagg was in form the Smith / Dagg combo worked very well.
But Beaudie really needs to up his game from anything we have seen this year. He’s a class player no doubt.
I’d be interested in what gameplan is deployed with this back 3 (plus Richie).
Congrats to Clarke.
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I think a lot of people underestimate the Wallabies. They have some really good players coming through; sure, they're rookies, but so are some of ours. The biggest difference compared to previous years is Rennie. I have higher expectations of the Aussies now.
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@ACT-Crusader Our back three a fairly short so seems they'll be box/bombing it all day long.
As an aside: only 2 players from the last 15 against England have been retained.
@Derpus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader Our back three a fairly short so seems they'll be box/bombing it all day long.
Our back 3 all over 6 foot, all good in the air and both Bridge and Jordie good on the chase.
Jordie has started and finished tests, albeit in a limited career, on the wing.
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So looks like Team Hansen and Team Foster see Goodhue as a long term fixture in our midfield, though most (here at least) see his best position as 13, not 12.
I hope he goes well,because his game with Ioane outside could be devastating.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
The wing selections beggar belief.
I was about to say that they’ve gone all SWB on the wing, but saying that about Jordie seems wrong. Yes he was in great form this year but he’s still a known brain farter which rules out SWB.
I guess in form he should have been selected at fullback, but I still believe BB is the better Barrett so I’m fine with him at 15. And I’m all for putting the boot into Fozzie but every AB coach in the pro era has selected guys who aren’t the top performing in their position but have experience.
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I'm cool with B Barrett at FB, Bridge, Ioane at 13, Mo'unga, Smith, Cane, Frizzel and the tight five.
It's fucking laughable that they haven't given Sotutu the start at 8. Savea is a stud at openside but only a stop-gap at 8 for mine. If they're going to select Cane at 7 then Savea is a bench player until we exhaust other squad 8 options.
Goodhue is a centre, not a second-five-eighths. He's useful there in SR and might offer cover in tests but that's the extent of it. ALB should be starting in his best position. What happens if Ioane goes off? Complete midfield re-shuffle or do we have a straight swap and the weird combo of ALB at 13 and Goodhue at 12??
I'd have much preferred Jordan for J Barrett. Barrett is a FB (who should probably be tried out at 12, IMHO). If anything, in this squad he starts ahead of his older brother, at 15.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
The wing selections beggar belief.
I was about to say that they’ve gone all SWB on the wing, but saying that about Jordie seems wrong. Yes he was in great form this year but he’s still a known brain farter which rules out SWB.
I guess in form he should have been selected at fullback, but I still believe BB is the better Barrett so I’m fine with him at 15. And I’m all for putting the boot into Fozzie but every AB coach in the pro era has selected guys who aren’t the top performing in their position but have experience.
@Nepia said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
The wing selections beggar belief.
I was about to say that they’ve gone all SWB on the wing, but saying that about Jordie seems wrong. Yes he was in great form this year but he’s still a known brain farter which rules out SWB.
I guess in form he should have been selected at fullback, but I still believe BB is the better Barrett so I’m fine with him at 15. And I’m all for putting the boot into Fozzie but every AB coach in the pro era has selected guys who aren’t the top performing in their position but have experience.
Fluffer !
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Are you picking a team on form or are you picking a team that best suits your game plan? If test rugby was played like SR we would be unstoppable, we have undeniable attacking talent. And this is probably why we have dominated OZ in the past, both teams playing SR and we are simply better at that style.
But when we have played SA, ENG, IRE etc they have been very tight structured affairs where they minimise mistakes, rush defence and are just dominant physical packs. Our attacking skills and player talent occasionally have not been enough.
I suspect Rennie will be bringing a more structured NH approach to the Wallabies and Foster etc must have been building a game plan to counter the rush defence, box kicking, field position style.
The back three are all excellent at defusing bombs, will all no doubt be chasing our kicks hard and RM will no doubt be doing plenty of cross kicks to JB wing. If we can play tight up front, run hard through 12 and 13 and limit mistakes I think we will just be too strong.
I guess we will all see on Sunday exactly how the team will play under Foster. I expect the biggest changes to come up front tbh, I am hoping our forward pack as a unit is a step up on previous years.
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Are you picking a team on form or are you picking a team that best suits your game plan? If test rugby was played like SR we would be unstoppable, we have undeniable attacking talent. And this is probably why we have dominated OZ in the past, both teams playing SR and we are simply better at that style.
But when we have played SA, ENG, IRE etc they have been very tight structured affairs where they minimise mistakes, rush defence and are just dominant physical packs. Our attacking skills and player talent occasionally have not been enough.
I suspect Rennie will be bringing a more structured NH approach to the Wallabies and Foster etc must have been building a game plan to counter the rush defence, box kicking, field position style.
The back three are all excellent at defusing bombs, will all no doubt be chasing our kicks hard and RM will no doubt be doing plenty of cross kicks to JB wing. If we can play tight up front, run hard through 12 and 13 and limit mistakes I think we will just be too strong.
I guess we will all see on Sunday exactly how the team will play under Foster. I expect the biggest changes to come up front tbh, I am hoping our forward pack as a unit is a step up on previous years.
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Are you picking a team on form or are you picking a team that best suits your game plan? If test rugby was played like SR we would be unstoppable, we have undeniable attacking talent. And this is probably why we have dominated OZ in the past, both teams playing SR and we are simply better at that style.
But when we have played SA, ENG, IRE etc they have been very tight structured affairs where they minimise mistakes, rush defence and are just dominant physical packs. Our attacking skills and player talent occasionally have not been enough.
I suspect Rennie will be bringing a more structured NH approach to the Wallabies and Foster etc must have been building a game plan to counter the rush defence, box kicking, field position style.
The back three are all excellent at defusing bombs, will all no doubt be chasing our kicks hard and RM will no doubt be doing plenty of cross kicks to JB wing. If we can play tight up front, run hard through 12 and 13 and limit mistakes I think we will just be too strong.
I guess we will all see on Sunday exactly how the team will play under Foster. I expect the biggest changes to come up front tbh, I am hoping our forward pack as a unit is a step up on previous years.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I am hoping our forward pack as a unit is a step up on previous years.
with the same players?
last time we dipped out of the semis of the world cup because our forwards were shit, we rissoled 6 of the pack.
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the whole JG at 12 thing is a bit beyond me, surely not all 12 are the same...so isn't it more a case of finding the right 13 to play with him...maybe im missing something
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@NTA @barbarian are you guys happy with the Wallaby team selected? Any big omissions?
@Toddy said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA @barbarian are you guys happy with the Wallaby team selected? Any big omissions?
Meh. Hard to know until the rubber hits the road. I've moved on from trying to jam all the stars onto the field at once. I'm down with the Ben Darwin theory of promoting combinations and using the experience of togetherness - hence my nervousness of White instead of McDermott.
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A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
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A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
great, we are the Wallabies and Quade Cooper.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I am hoping our forward pack as a unit is a step up on previous years.
with the same players?
last time we dipped out of the semis of the world cup because our forwards were shit, we rissoled 6 of the pack.
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I am hoping our forward pack as a unit is a step up on previous years.
with the same players?
last time we dipped out of the semis of the world cup because our forwards were shit, we rissoled 6 of the pack.
I don't think those players are shit, they just played shit. Ofa, PT, and Friz were all very impressive this year and I can only hope with the new coaches the forward unit will be better as a group.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
great, we are the Wallabies and Quade Cooper.
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
great, we are the Wallabies and Quade Cooper.
Yep.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
great, we are the Wallabies and Quade Cooper.
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
great, we are the Wallabies and Quade Cooper.
Beaugan has been dropping back from 10 since at least the last RWC cycle
