Los Pumas 2020
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@Kiwiwomble I've seen the tweets in Spanish (all from 2012). Quite sexist and racist (towards other South Americans, black people and jews), and sometimes both. Sometimes they were bad jokes, but most of them weren't. I'm not going to post the text here.
@Stargazer fair enough, sounds bad
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@Kiwiwomble I've seen the tweets in Spanish (all from 2012). Quite sexist and racist (towards other South Americans, black people and jews), and sometimes both. Sometimes they were bad jokes, but most of them weren't. I'm not going to post the text here.
@Stargazer said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kiwiwomble I've seen the tweets in Spanish. Quite sexist and racist (towards other South Americans, black people and jews), and sometimes both. Sometimes they were bad jokes, but most of them weren't. I'm not going to post the text here.
He's not from Bariloche is he?
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I'd hate for things I said to people and about people when I was 18 being brought up ten years later.
Is it news that teenagers say stupid shit?
@Kirwan There's a difference between just saying stupid shit and racism (and sexism). When I was 18, I knew what racism was and would never say/write something like that (didn't feel any inclination to, either), but I've been on the receiving end at that age. Age is no excuse here.
But ... people can change. So digging it up is pathetic.
If there was any risk of me becoming "famous", I'd just delete my account and start a new one.
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@Kirwan There's a difference between just saying stupid shit and racism (and sexism). When I was 18, I knew what racism was and would never say/write something like that (didn't feel any inclination to, either), but I've been on the receiving end at that age. Age is no excuse here.
But ... people can change. So digging it up is pathetic.
If there was any risk of me becoming "famous", I'd just delete my account and start a new one.
@Stargazer said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan There's a difference between just saying stupid shit and racism (and sexism). When I was 18, I knew what racism was and would never say/write something like that (didn't feel any inclination to, either), but I've been on the receiving end at that age. Age is no excuse here.
People mature, especially from 18 to 28. Judging a person today, for comments made ten years ago is wrong IMO.
If he's apologised for the comments that should be the end of it.
Social media mobs are gross.
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@Stargazer said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan There's a difference between just saying stupid shit and racism (and sexism). When I was 18, I knew what racism was and would never say/write something like that (didn't feel any inclination to, either), but I've been on the receiving end at that age. Age is no excuse here.
People mature, especially from 18 to 28. Judging a person today, for comments made ten years ago is wrong IMO.
If he's apologised for the comments that should be the end of it.
Social media mobs are gross.
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@Stargazer said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan Had edited my post, before you responded.
Agree more with your edit.
I'd reccomend that for everybody, even if you aren't famous. Never use your real name (where possible) and ditch the accounts regularly. Never post drunken photos of parties, etc.
Google search yourself and make sure the results are what you want potential employers to find. And once a year I delete all my old Tweets.
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@Stargazer said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan There's a difference between just saying stupid shit and racism (and sexism). When I was 18, I knew what racism was and would never say/write something like that (didn't feel any inclination to, either), but I've been on the receiving end at that age. Age is no excuse here.
People mature, especially from 18 to 28. Judging a person today, for comments made ten years ago is wrong IMO.
If he's apologised for the comments that should be the end of it.
Social media mobs are gross.
@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Social media
and that is the problem these guys face today.
Remember Barnya, he went round deleting all sorts when he was applying for a job.
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@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Social media
and that is the problem these guys face today.
Remember Barnya, he went round deleting all sorts when he was applying for a job.
@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Social media
and that is the problem these guys face today.
Remember Barnya, he went round deleting all sorts when he was applying for a job.
Smart. Changed his username here too
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@Machpants said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
So cool that we never had camera phones or social media in my stupid drinking years
This. Times a thousand.
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I think theres a difference between some old mate having said something in the 60's when it was a hell of a lot easier to be ignorant and someone claiming that even though they probably posted from a smart phone (ie infinite knowledge) they were ignorant in 2012
that's being said, yes, if he's changed then good, I hope it doesn't escalate too far
I would have thought a professional sports outfit would have looked at this stuff, especially for a captain
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Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
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@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
@Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
Sigh.....cancel culture wins again
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@Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
Sigh.....cancel culture wins again
@MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
Sigh.....cancel culture wins again
It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?
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@MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
Sigh.....cancel culture wins again
It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?
@canefan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
Sigh.....cancel culture wins again
It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?
I think I read he said something about it being a personal message to a friend, an in joke kind of thing
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@MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
Sigh.....cancel culture wins again
It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?
@canefan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
Sigh.....cancel culture wins again
It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?
Obviously he didn't call a press conference and cry lots.
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The problems in the Pumas squad are not just about Matera. Petti and Socino have been suspended, too.
Argentina have been rocked ahead of the final Tri-Nations Test against the Wallabies after Pablo Matera was removed from his duties as captain. Matera, as well as two other senior players, lock Guido Petti and hooker Santiago Socino, look set to miss Saturday’s Tri-Nations finale for racist and xenophobic comments made on Twitter in 2011 and 2013. ‘The Argentine Rugby Union strongly repudiates the discriminatory and xenophobic comments published by members of the Los Pumas team on social networks and, meeting urgently, the board of directors resolves: First, revoke Pablo Matera’s captaincy and request the staff to propose a new captain to the board of directors,’ a directly translated statement read. ‘Second, suspend Pablo Matera, Guido Petti and Santiago Socino from the national team until their disciplinary situation is defined.’ Matera has taken the tweets down and suspended his Twitter account, but did publish an apology on his Instagram account. ‘I had a tougher time. I am very ashamed. Apologies to all those who were offended by the atrocities I wrote,’ Matera said.This quote comes from this article. It's from a media release that has been posted on the Argentinian Rugby Union (UAR) in this Twitter (thread):
https://twitter.com/unionargentina/status/1333586106290483201
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The problems in the Pumas squad are not just about Matera. Petti and Socino have been suspended, too.
Argentina have been rocked ahead of the final Tri-Nations Test against the Wallabies after Pablo Matera was removed from his duties as captain. Matera, as well as two other senior players, lock Guido Petti and hooker Santiago Socino, look set to miss Saturday’s Tri-Nations finale for racist and xenophobic comments made on Twitter in 2011 and 2013. ‘The Argentine Rugby Union strongly repudiates the discriminatory and xenophobic comments published by members of the Los Pumas team on social networks and, meeting urgently, the board of directors resolves: First, revoke Pablo Matera’s captaincy and request the staff to propose a new captain to the board of directors,’ a directly translated statement read. ‘Second, suspend Pablo Matera, Guido Petti and Santiago Socino from the national team until their disciplinary situation is defined.’ Matera has taken the tweets down and suspended his Twitter account, but did publish an apology on his Instagram account. ‘I had a tougher time. I am very ashamed. Apologies to all those who were offended by the atrocities I wrote,’ Matera said.This quote comes from this article. It's from a media release that has been posted on the Argentinian Rugby Union (UAR) in this Twitter (thread):
https://twitter.com/unionargentina/status/1333586106290483201
@Stargazer goodness me.
Those tweets better be pretty bad to get suspended 9 years on.
One of the issues I have about this is - if it's so bad, can't we see his integrity in day to day operations? Those folk have been living cheek and jowl for months; surely someone has seen something in the last 9 years to indicate that he shouldn't be a pro rugby player?
Cancel culture concerns me.
