Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
spot on, and England in the final - they shot their load the week before.
And in RWC2015 England suffered from premature ejection...
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
spot on, and England in the final - they shot their load the week before.
And in RWC2015 England suffered from premature ejection...
Or premature expectation..
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If Rieko wants to be a centre then we have to judge him as a centre, rather than his body of work on the wing. If that's the case then no way he starts ahead of ALB and JG, he's just not in their class yet despite his obvious talent. He's on the bench for mine, coming on in the final 20 to get some experience in the position and wrecking some havoc. We shouldn't move him back to wing as he will never settle and realise his potential in the midfield otherwise.
At the moment we simply don't have a world class right winger. Jordan has the attributes but there are questions marks over his defense. So Jordie it is for now, as much as I'd prefer him at 15.
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
If Rieko wants to be a centre then we have to judge him as a centre, rather than his body of work on the wing. If that's the case then no way he starts ahead of ALB and JG, he's just not in their class yet despite his obvious talent. He's on the bench for mine, coming on in the final 20 to get some experience in the position and wrecking some havoc. We shouldn't move him back to wing as he will never settle and realise his potential in the midfield otherwise.
At the moment we simply don't have a world class right winger. Jordan has the attributes but there are questions marks over his defense. So Jordie it is for now, as much as I'd prefer him at 15.
Wait what? You’re applying one rule for Rieko and then ignoring it for your boy JB.
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The problem for Rieko is if he's only looked at as a 13 then he comes under real pressure from PUJ.
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The problem for Rieko is if he's only looked at as a 13 then he comes under real pressure from PUJ.
With the current backline it is difficult to have the right balance on the bench. You could argue that DMac isn't needed as JB can cover fullback, and BB covers 1st 5. But then would you need both Ioane and PUJ on the bench? Rieko has to cover wing as well as centre in the 23.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The problem for Rieko is if he's only looked at as a 13 then he comes under real pressure from PUJ.
With the current backline it is difficult to have the right balance on the bench. You could argue that DMac isn't needed as JB can cover fullback, and BB covers 1st 5. But then would you need both Ioane and PUJ on the bench? Rieko has to cover wing as well as centre in the 23.
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If Rieko wants to be a centre then we have to judge him as a centre, rather than his body of work on the wing. If that's the case then no way he starts ahead of ALB and JG, he's just not in their class yet despite his obvious talent. He's on the bench for mine, coming on in the final 20 to get some experience in the position and wrecking some havoc. We shouldn't move him back to wing as he will never settle and realise his potential in the midfield otherwise.
At the moment we simply don't have a world class right winger. Jordan has the attributes but there are questions marks over his defense. So Jordie it is for now, as much as I'd prefer him at 15.
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
At the moment we simply don't have a world class right winger.
Well if we keep playing a slow fullback at 14 we aren't going to find one! Is he better than Jordan or Reece at 14? Because he is not, arguably, being made great use of as a 2nd fullback and his kicking in Bled 1 wasn' perfect.
(PS I am not a Jordie hater-he's got some useful skills to add into a game). -
I'm watching Goodhue in Bled 3. Considering there is R. Ioane and PUJ at 13, and ALB is arguably currently a more consistent, better 12 than JG...plus if they bring back Laumape at 12 in an upcoming game..combinations..
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I'm watching Goodhue in Bled 3. Considering there is R. Ioane and PUJ at 13, and ALB is arguably currently a more consistent, better 12 than JG...plus if they bring back Laumape at 12 in an upcoming game..combinations..
@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I'm watching Goodhue in Bled 3. Considering there is R. Ioane and PUJ at 13, and ALB is arguably currently a more consistent, better 12 than JG...plus if they bring back Laumape at 12 in an upcoming game..combinations..
Just a thought here. Maybe the backup plan is to bring Laumape in if JG goes down and only if he does.
That way the gameplan doesn't change so much by shifting ALB in? -
It isn't going to happen but I would move JB to the bench and start Rieko on the right wing. The third back sub would be someone who can provide impact out wide, so that is Reece.
In this mix we have BB as the backup 1st 5. JB to come on at fullback. If one of Goodhue or ALB went off, Ioane moves to centre and Reece to the vacant wing. JB is the third option in the midfield and on the wing.
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I'm watching Goodhue in Bled 3. Considering there is R. Ioane and PUJ at 13, and ALB is arguably currently a more consistent, better 12 than JG...plus if they bring back Laumape at 12 in an upcoming game..combinations..
@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I'm watching Goodhue in Bled 3. Considering there is R. Ioane and PUJ at 13, and ALB is arguably currently a more consistent, better 12 than JG...plus if they bring back Laumape at 12 in an upcoming game..combinations..
While I really like PUJ and would love to see him develop, he needs to show his defence is up to it at Super level before I'd chuck him in as a starting 13. There were times over the last couple of years I thought he got exposed a wee bit for the Canes and Wellington.
I don't get why people are so keen to chuck JG out with the bath water. The guy is not flashy but he is class.
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@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I'm watching Goodhue in Bled 3. Considering there is R. Ioane and PUJ at 13, and ALB is arguably currently a more consistent, better 12 than JG...plus if they bring back Laumape at 12 in an upcoming game..combinations..
While I really like PUJ and would love to see him develop, he needs to show his defence is up to it at Super level before I'd chuck him in as a starting 13. There were times over the last couple of years I thought he got exposed a wee bit for the Canes and Wellington.
I don't get why people are so keen to chuck JG out with the bath water. The guy is not flashy but he is class.
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I don't get why people
That might be more "person" than "people".
Some of us would prefer him at 13 and ALB at 12 I think is the discussion, rather than dropping him. Rieko is a great bench option or starts on the wing for me.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
If Rieko wants to be a centre then we have to judge him as a centre, rather than his body of work on the wing. If that's the case then no way he starts ahead of ALB and JG, he's just not in their class yet despite his obvious talent. He's on the bench for mine, coming on in the final 20 to get some experience in the position and wrecking some havoc. We shouldn't move him back to wing as he will never settle and realise his potential in the midfield otherwise.
At the moment we simply don't have a world class right winger. Jordan has the attributes but there are questions marks over his defense. So Jordie it is for now, as much as I'd prefer him at 15.
I have liked your post for the bit about Rieko but disagree that Jordie has the attributes to be a world class wing.
Even his brother recognised it last week when he made inroads down Jordie's flank, looked at him and took contact instead of passing and watching him get bundled into touch.@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
If Rieko wants to be a centre then we have to judge him as a centre, rather than his body of work on the wing. If that's the case then no way he starts ahead of ALB and JG, he's just not in their class yet despite his obvious talent. He's on the bench for mine, coming on in the final 20 to get some experience in the position and wrecking some havoc. We shouldn't move him back to wing as he will never settle and realise his potential in the midfield otherwise.
At the moment we simply don't have a world class right winger. Jordan has the attributes but there are questions marks over his defense. So Jordie it is for now, as much as I'd prefer him at 15.
I have liked your post for the bit about Rieko but disagree that Jordie has the attributes to be a world class wing.
Even his brother recognised it last week when he made inroads down Jordie's flank, looked at him and took contact instead of passing and watching him get bundled into touch.Sorry didn't mean to make it sound like Jordie is or will be a world class wing. He's very much a safe stop-gap there in the short term.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
If Rieko wants to be a centre then we have to judge him as a centre, rather than his body of work on the wing. If that's the case then no way he starts ahead of ALB and JG, he's just not in their class yet despite his obvious talent. He's on the bench for mine, coming on in the final 20 to get some experience in the position and wrecking some havoc. We shouldn't move him back to wing as he will never settle and realise his potential in the midfield otherwise.
At the moment we simply don't have a world class right winger. Jordan has the attributes but there are questions marks over his defense. So Jordie it is for now, as much as I'd prefer him at 15.
Wait what? You’re applying one rule for Rieko and then ignoring it for your boy JB.
@Nepia said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
If Rieko wants to be a centre then we have to judge him as a centre, rather than his body of work on the wing. If that's the case then no way he starts ahead of ALB and JG, he's just not in their class yet despite his obvious talent. He's on the bench for mine, coming on in the final 20 to get some experience in the position and wrecking some havoc. We shouldn't move him back to wing as he will never settle and realise his potential in the midfield otherwise.
At the moment we simply don't have a world class right winger. Jordan has the attributes but there are questions marks over his defense. So Jordie it is for now, as much as I'd prefer him at 15.
Wait what? You’re applying one rule for Rieko and then ignoring it for your boy JB.
Not quite - Jordie is filling in at wing, not a long term prospect there IMO. Rieko is up against two very classy midfielders. I think Rieko has the potential to be one of the best in the world like he was on the wing, but it's going to take some time for him to develop there at the top level.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
just wanted it more
full credit to the boys though, they did well, it was a game of 2 halves and I think it was probably due to the ladies in the kitchen though, I mean, compared to the ladies in the kitchen in 1995, we have come along way!
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
just wanted it more
full credit to the boys though, they did well, it was a game of 2 halves and I think it was probably due to the ladies in the kitchen though, I mean, compared to the ladies in the kitchen in 1995, we have come along way!
From my perspective you can’t ask for anything more than that. They gave their all. Left nothing in the tank and at the end of the day, rugby was the real winner.
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Tough news for the Wallabies and Toomua, who is really coming into his own, as a leader too.
This injury probably makes it harder to try the youngster at 1st 5 too, unless they move JOC to 12 (which they shouldn’t at this stage).
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Tough news for the Wallabies and Toomua, who is really coming into his own, as a leader too.
This injury probably makes it harder to try the youngster at 1st 5 too, unless they move JOC to 12 (which they shouldn’t at this stage).
@ACT-Crusader It might mean Lolesio comes to the bench though cos they'll need 10 cover with Toomua out. Simone to 12 makes the most sense I'd say.
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@NTA Obvious answer is Simone - but, yeah, behind Toomua it was always going to be a debutant.
Question is - do we debut a rookie 12 or 10 with JOC outside him.
I thought Simone went pretty well and im pretty certain DR will throw him straight in - as he did with Paisami. Only one way to debut a player and better now than a year out from a RWC.
Rookie centre pairing fucks our chances of a win though.
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@NTA Yeah I said that on the super rugby thread. You guys can front up with 23 good players at test level but once a season starts the quality dimishes, with injuries, paternity leave, etc.
We have some better players at the levels below, but as you probably know - build a decent NPC system and you will have more depth. 3 Super sides above that gives you more competition for places so that improves quality. I believe that the Aus problem is systemic, you have the talent.
