Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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@booboo yea you can hear Smith driving his forwards last night, thought he was more vocal than normal, or just louder....
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@booboo yea you can hear Smith driving his forwards last night, thought he was more vocal than normal, or just louder....
Nah Ozzie just have ref mic louder than sky NZ. Very obvious, I picked up heaps (of swearing) you wouldn't normally get
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
At HT I queued up at one of the coffee bars for 15mins to get the kids a hot chocolate, only to be told they don't do hot chocolates.
LOL. Never try to get anything at halftime at a rugby game in Sydney. Rookie mistake.
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Imagine all the Asian cafe/restaurant owners who would love a crack at setting up in one of the kitchen to roll out awesome noodle/rice dishes at HT, could all be pre-prepared, pre-ordered, pre-paid for easy collection at HT.
Uh... are you still in the dark as to how RWC2003 was lost to NZ? Because that kind of thinking is it.
Small operators (Asian cafe/restaurant owners) don't want to sign the contracts because they don't make any money. And the food safety issues go through the roof when you're talking anything outside "Lips N Arseholes" food like pies, sausage rolls, and hotdogs. And the payroll costs skyrockets if you need someone with the right cert.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Will have to watch again but thought Frizell was really good, as he was in Auckland.
He was ridiculously busy, especially in the first half. Pretty low impact ball in hand but certainly didn't stop him doing it time and time again, which must have an influence on the opposition defence.
@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Will have to watch again but thought Frizell was really good, as he was in Auckland.
He was ridiculously busy, especially in the first half. Pretty low impact ball in hand but certainly didn't stop him doing it time and time again, which must have an influence on the opposition defence.
Yeah - I thought he was very good, especially in the first half. Regularly carting it up one off the ruck, getting over the gain line to give front foot ball and notably, I don't think it got turned over once.
In the second half when he was less prominent doing this we looked more ragged and disorganized.
Sam Whitelock seemed the other guy assigned to this role.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Small operators (Asian cafe/restaurant owners) don't want to sign the contracts because they don't make any money.
Fair play - at Eden Park they drive food trucks onto the outside concourse and you can buy a range of deep fried delicacies. Or a sausage.
but as @nta says, buying at the rugby is dodgy as. I've even given up buying beer - just preload on craft beers at the pub, and wait till we get out. Standing ina queue for 15 mintues to get a few overpriced crappy beers in plastic bottles ain't my idea of fun
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Always hard to read a game from the end of the field, but it was illustrative to watch the number of times we were short on defence e.g. Karl T's try was everyone running open like a bunch of U8s chasing the ball, leaving 2 guys to defend the AB forward pack.
Should be mentioned that the rain had pretty much stopped before kickoff, so despite a bit of surface water (excellent drainage at ANZ) these conditions would be less than challenging for professionals - I mean look at the number of stupid offloads we tried, so obviously we were confident to try that
AB game plan was smart - direct play up the middle of the field and put in some short kicks to test the back three, and it worked because DHP's injury turned him into an even slower cart horse with tits for hands. Koroibete continues to be sub-par with ball in hand tho he put on some nice hits.
I don't know whether it was just a bit of hope after we showed some fire in NZ, or the fact I spent money on tickets, but I'm pretty flat after that loss. Yes I realise we've had to chop and change a few personnel but that doesn't alter the fact our mostly unchanged forward pack for 3 games got beaten silly.
And to be clear: the cupboard is bare. That is pretty much all we've got in terms of personnel available and Rennie just has to work with that. His comment about being 6 weeks into a 4 year plan is solid IMHO, but we might be lucky to squeak 2 wins against Argentina this year if we're lucky.
Therefore, simply changing personnel is not going to improve results.
@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Oh that video reminded me of a comment I forgot to make.
Was there anyone left that Nic White didn't try to fight?
Clearly concussed after the elbow t the head. He probably should have been taken off for HIA if he was punchier than usual.
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@NTA I was enjoying the ABs ignoring all the niggle and acting like White wasn't there... and then Perenara came on.
That push White did on Perenara when feeding the scrum was bloody funny though.
@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA I was enjoying the ABs ignoring all the niggle and acting like White wasn't there... and then Perenara came on.
That push White did on Perenara when feeding the scrum was bloody funny though.
TJ laughed too
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA that's all red tape BS though, all imminently solvable of you have intent.
You cant tell me all those people running the food trucks wouldn't love the opportunity to serve food at 10x the scale throughout the match.
Yes they fucking would but firstly they can't serve at 10x the capacity and secondly can't afford the buy-in or the contract defaults.
I'd love to win $20M but there are a few noticeable hurdles in the way.
There are a stack of food trucks set up between the stadium and the gate. They probably did alright.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Will have to watch again but thought Frizell was really good, as he was in Auckland.
He was ridiculously busy, especially in the first half. Pretty low impact ball in hand but certainly didn't stop him doing it time and time again, which must have an influence on the opposition defence.
Yeah - I thought he was very good, especially in the first half. Regularly carting it up one off the ruck, getting over the gain line to give front foot ball and notably, I don't think it got turned over once.
In the second half when he was less prominent doing this we looked more ragged and disorganized.
Sam Whitelock seemed the other guy assigned to this role.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Small operators (Asian cafe/restaurant owners) don't want to sign the contracts because they don't make any money.
Fair play - at Eden Park they drive food trucks onto the outside concourse and you can buy a range of deep fried delicacies. Or a sausage.
but as @nta says, buying at the rugby is dodgy as. I've even given up buying beer - just preload on craft beers at the pub, and wait till we get out. Standing ina queue for 15 mintues to get a few overpriced crappy beers in plastic bottles ain't my idea of fun
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Fair play - at Eden Park they drive food trucks onto the outside concourse and you can buy a range of deep fried delicacies. Or a sausage.
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp beat me to it re food trucks
And that sounds awesome. I know it happens at a few smaller grounds here, too. WHEN they're open air.
Can't run a diesel motor or any other form of generator in the concourse at ANZ tho unless you're serving carbon burgers with a side order of cancer.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA that's all red tape BS though, all imminently solvable of you have intent.
You cant tell me all those people running the food trucks wouldn't love the opportunity to serve food at 10x the scale throughout the match.
Yes they fucking would but firstly they can't serve at 10x the capacity and secondly can't afford the buy-in or the contract defaults.
I'd love to win $20M but there are a few noticeable hurdles in the way.
There are a stack of food trucks set up between the stadium and the gate. They probably did alright.
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA that's all red tape BS though, all imminently solvable of you have intent.
You cant tell me all those people running the food trucks wouldn't love the opportunity to serve food at 10x the scale throughout the match.
Yes they fucking would but firstly they can't serve at 10x the capacity and secondly can't afford the buy-in or the contract defaults.
I'd love to win $20M but there are a few noticeable hurdles in the way.
There are a stack of food trucks set up between the stadium and the gate. They probably did alright.
I mean 10x as a collective , not each - i.e. 10x the number of operators, not 1 x truck increasing production 10fold.
As for the contract buy-in, again, thats totally at the control of stadium management, they can do what they want there.
All I know is that I saw loads of folk with their own food, and I know I personally would have spent 5x what I did spend last night if the food was quality.
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But fuck, maybe I'm just in the minority here amd out of touch, and maybe all the average punters really wants is hot chips and a crappy pie. Its certainly the lowest effort and if the $ aren't there from changing then I guess why would they?
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I was ambiguous. I meant alternative to Simmons at lock.
Trevor Hosea who is 20.
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I was ambiguous. I meant alternative to Simmons at lock.
Trevor Hosea who is 20.
How’d you rate him?
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA that's all red tape BS though, all imminently solvable of you have intent.
You cant tell me all those people running the food trucks wouldn't love the opportunity to serve food at 10x the scale throughout the match.
Yes they fucking would but firstly they can't serve at 10x the capacity and secondly can't afford the buy-in or the contract defaults.
I'd love to win $20M but there are a few noticeable hurdles in the way.
There are a stack of food trucks set up between the stadium and the gate. They probably did alright.
I mean 10x as a collective , not each - i.e. 10x the number of operators, not 1 x truck increasing production 10fold.
As for the contract buy-in, again, thats totally at the control of stadium management, they can do what they want there.
All I know is that I saw loads of folk with their own food, and I know I personally would have spent 5x what I did spend last night if the food was quality.
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I mean 10x as a collective , not each - i.e. 10x the number of operators, not 1 x truck increasing production 10fold.
Ten times the number of contracts for the stadium, so more lawyer costs, so higher contracts....
It is like the hippo-with-wings problem: if you give a hippo wings it is too heavy to fly unless you give it more muscle mass... which needs bigger wings to lift the increased weight which means more muscle mass which means...
As for the contract buy-in, again, thats totally at the control of stadium management, they can do what they want there.
They can.
And they do i.e. screw the catering operator(s) hard for profit, which results in the operator going for the lowest cost employees and food options, which results in the cheapest food with the lowest chance of them getting sued.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I was ambiguous. I meant alternative to Simmons at lock.
Trevor Hosea who is 20.
How’d you rate him?
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I was ambiguous. I meant alternative to Simmons at lock.
Trevor Hosea who is 20.
How’d you rate him?
Don't pay to watch rugby, so no real idea.
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Always hard to read a game from the end of the field, but it was illustrative to watch the number of times we were short on defence e.g. Karl T's try was everyone running open like a bunch of U8s chasing the ball, leaving 2 guys to defend the AB forward pack.
Should be mentioned that the rain had pretty much stopped before kickoff, so despite a bit of surface water (excellent drainage at ANZ) these conditions would be less than challenging for professionals - I mean look at the number of stupid offloads we tried, so obviously we were confident to try that
AB game plan was smart - direct play up the middle of the field and put in some short kicks to test the back three, and it worked because DHP's injury turned him into an even slower cart horse with tits for hands. Koroibete continues to be sub-par with ball in hand tho he put on some nice hits.
I don't know whether it was just a bit of hope after we showed some fire in NZ, or the fact I spent money on tickets, but I'm pretty flat after that loss. Yes I realise we've had to chop and change a few personnel but that doesn't alter the fact our mostly unchanged forward pack for 3 games got beaten silly.
And to be clear: the cupboard is bare. That is pretty much all we've got in terms of personnel available and Rennie just has to work with that. His comment about being 6 weeks into a 4 year plan is solid IMHO, but we might be lucky to squeak 2 wins against Argentina this year if we're lucky.
Therefore, simply changing personnel is not going to improve results.
@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Oh that video reminded me of a comment I forgot to make.
Was there anyone left that Nic White didn't try to fight?
Clearly concussed after the elbow t the head. He probably should have been taken off for HIA if he was punchier than usual.
@NTA Strangely I don't think the issue is the forwards, your set piece was the best yet with the lineout very good and only losing a couple of scrums. The biggest issue was just the schoolboy errors that made it next to impossible to build any pressure. The option taking was some of the worst I have seen and likely just due to nerves, overenthusiasm, and inexperience.
The AB's were also clinical, and it appeared they had a very specific game plan to find space in front of the fullback and wingers and we got a lot of return from Smiths precision box kicks. You just can't gift the AB's possession and expect to be competitive.
I'm not sure if anyone noticed but after Moungas first try where they switched behind the scrum and he stepped the hooker and blew past the 10. They went to the coaches box and Brad Mooar had a grin that suggested that was planned well in advance. I felt several plays had been identified pre game and the players just executed very well. The Sotutu try was also interesting as I don't think he ran once from the back and then they have the confidence to run that move and RI scores.
Suncorp will likely be more competitive with JOC back at the helm.
Lets just hope the "pictures" the new Wallabies saw tonight don't scare them long term.
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@NTA Strangely I don't think the issue is the forwards, your set piece was the best yet with the lineout very good and only losing a couple of scrums. The biggest issue was just the schoolboy errors that made it next to impossible to build any pressure. The option taking was some of the worst I have seen and likely just due to nerves, overenthusiasm, and inexperience.
The AB's were also clinical, and it appeared they had a very specific game plan to find space in front of the fullback and wingers and we got a lot of return from Smiths precision box kicks. You just can't gift the AB's possession and expect to be competitive.
I'm not sure if anyone noticed but after Moungas first try where they switched behind the scrum and he stepped the hooker and blew past the 10. They went to the coaches box and Brad Mooar had a grin that suggested that was planned well in advance. I felt several plays had been identified pre game and the players just executed very well. The Sotutu try was also interesting as I don't think he ran once from the back and then they have the confidence to run that move and RI scores.
Suncorp will likely be more competitive with JOC back at the helm.
Lets just hope the "pictures" the new Wallabies saw tonight don't scare them long term.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA Strangely I don't think the issue is the forwards, your set piece was the best yet with the lineout very good and only losing a couple of scrums. The biggest issue was just the schoolboy errors that made it next to impossible to build any pressure.
I agree that our errors were costly, but I'm looking at our failure to defend the maul for Coles' try and our lack of penetration carrying the ball. I thought our scrum was unlucky not to get another 1-2 penalties actually after the ABs stood up under pressure a couple of times but it was play on.
Again: i've not seen the broadcast of the game but from end on we looked like we weren't getting the upper hand at the collisions.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA Strangely I don't think the issue is the forwards, your set piece was the best yet with the lineout very good and only losing a couple of scrums. The biggest issue was just the schoolboy errors that made it next to impossible to build any pressure.
I agree that our errors were costly, but I'm looking at our failure to defend the maul for Coles' try and our lack of penetration carrying the ball. I thought our scrum was unlucky not to get another 1-2 penalties actually after the ABs stood up under pressure a couple of times but it was play on.
Again: i've not seen the broadcast of the game but from end on we looked like we weren't getting the upper hand at the collisions.
@NTA Yep the Scrums were pretty much the most even yet from what I could see. I don't think they were embarrassed at the collisions in close, Fritzel went backwards a few times as did Karl and others. Whenever that happened Smith seemed to put up a box kick and the Wallabies just fucked up their possession and we often got the ball back in a better spot.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I was ambiguous. I meant alternative to Simmons at lock.
Trevor Hosea who is 20.
How’d you rate him?
Don't pay to watch rugby, so no real idea.
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I was ambiguous. I meant alternative to Simmons at lock.
Trevor Hosea who is 20.
How’d you rate him?
Don't pay to watch rugby, so no real idea.
I didn't watch Super Au, but he's certainly big enough.
Based on the outcomes I'm not sure Hannigan for Samu has beesn an improvement.
I think Tupou should start, and hope O'Conner back.
Liked Rennie’s comment that he guaranteed that they'd be better next time.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I was ambiguous. I meant alternative to Simmons at lock.
Trevor Hosea who is 20.
How’d you rate him?
Don't pay to watch rugby, so no real idea.
I didn't watch Super Au, but he's certainly big enough.
Based on the outcomes I'm not sure Hannigan for Samu has beesn an improvement.
I think Tupou should start, and hope O'Conner back.
Liked Rennie’s comment that he guaranteed that they'd be better next time.
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Based on the outcomes I'm not sure Hannigan for Samu has been an improvement.
If we'd stolen a few more lineouts and been 100% on our own, I'd be satisfied. But it hasn't worked out that way.
I think Tupou should start, and hope O'Conner back.
I think the better scrum work from Alaalatoa justifies his starting spot over Tupou - who IMHO is better for later in the game where he can run at gaps and use his hands while fresh. Something like the role Coles plays of Seagull Extraordinaire to threaten the midfield and wider channels.
Liked rennie's comment that he guaranteed that they'd be better next time.
Lets hope he means the Wallabies.
