Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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Why has everyone gone cold on Reece? He seemed to have some incredible finishing skills, never seemed to drop the ball and almost scored every time when given the opportunity?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Why has everyone gone cold on Reece? He seemed to have some incredible finishing skills, never seemed to drop the ball and almost scored every time when given the opportunity?
Jordie does that, just heaps slower
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scoring in the corner is obviously important for a winger....but thats a minimum requirement...i mean coles does it pretty easily and im happy of the Otago wingers can do that well.
I want an AB winger to, if given some space, be able to beat his mark, skin the cover, draw the fullback and put someone else away...which i dont see Jordie doing from 14
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@Tim said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The Sydney job is perfect for Sam Whitelock, who was ruled out of the Auckland match because of concussion.
The word is that the vastly experienced Whitelock is fit for this one. Excellent. It gives Rennie and co something more to worry about.
It's only Knowler, but hopefully this is true.
"The latter (Jordie) may lack top-end speed when compared to other test wings, but his height will prove advantageous if the Aussies go for a high kicking game through halfback Nic White"
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
Serious question - how many were kicked to his wing?
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scoring in the corner is obviously important for a winger....but thats a minimum requirement...i mean coles does it pretty easily and im happy of the Otago wingers can do that well.
I want an AB winger to, if given some space, be able to beat his mark, skin the cover, draw the fullback and put someone else away...which i dont see Jordie doing from 14
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@Kiwiwomble I agree with you, who do you think does that the best of the AB's wingers, Clarke, RIoane, Reece, Jordan, JB?
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
Serious question - how many were kicked to his wing?
@antipodean said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
Serious question - how many were kicked to his wing?
That’s partly the point. If kicking is accurate then timing, speed and jumping far outweigh height.
Kicks were going on his side of the field just not to his wing.
He isn’t fast enough to get to a position where height makes a difference.In other words a good kicking game nullified physical advantage.
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@chimoaus i would say reece and clarke (different approaches)
@Kiwiwomble Another way to think of it is can your winger create something from nothing that leads to points. Clarke did that last test and it made all the difference. Lomu did it all the time and if you think of Kolbe the bloke makes Dmac look big but his actions often lead to points.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Tim said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The Sydney job is perfect for Sam Whitelock, who was ruled out of the Auckland match because of concussion.
The word is that the vastly experienced Whitelock is fit for this one. Excellent. It gives Rennie and co something more to worry about.
It's only Knowler, but hopefully this is true.
"The latter (Jordie) may lack top-end speed when compared to other test wings, but his height will prove advantageous if the Aussies go for a high kicking game through halfback Nic White"
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
yeah...they really are completely overthinking things if height outweighs speed or elusiveness when talking about a winger.
I'm not sure the press ever got over 2009
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
"The latter (Jordie) may lack top-end speed when compared to other test wings, but his height will prove advantageous if the Aussies go for a high kicking game through halfback Nic White"
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
yeah...they really are completely overthinking things if height outweighs speed or elusiveness when talking about a winger.
I'm not sure the press ever got over 2009
And Richard Kahui was a key member of the Bomb Squad.
High ball ability can be developed.
Jordie is not the only person in the squad who can catch em, and if so, start fucking coaching them!
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Who of our current wings have issues under the high ball?
I'm not completely convinced by Reece, but Ioane, Jordan, and Clarke are all OK to very good.
Jordie's height is a bullshit reason.
In fact, Jordan is probably being robbed here, because if Beauden is judged to be the best 15, Jordie probably shouldn't be in the team or on the bench.
With Jordan on the wing or on the bench, there is 10 and FB cover there, so we could load up on attackers or carry 6 forwards.
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@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
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Can we all just agree that Jordie is a fullback who's being forced to play wing. He's been arguably the best fullback in the country this year. He's safe as houses under the high ball, he's strong with ball in hand and he's got a fantastic kicking game. The only reason he isn't playing in his preferred position is because of Beauden who IMO didn't deserve the jersey after a fairly mediocre year.
Is he a wing? Probably not, but he isn't exactly going to say no when the selectors throw him the jersey.
These coaches need to give the fans what they really want and start a back three of 11. Clarke 14. Jordan and 15. Jordie.
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Can we all just agree that Jordie is a fullback who's being forced to play wing. He's been arguably the best fullback in the country this year. He's safe as houses under the high ball, he's strong with ball in hand and he's got a fantastic kicking game. The only reason he isn't playing in his preferred position is because of Beauden who IMO didn't deserve the jersey after a fairly mediocre year.
Is he a wing? Probably not, but he isn't exactly going to say no when the selectors throw him the jersey.
These coaches need to give the fans what they really want and start a back three of 11. Clarke 14. Jordan and 15. Jordie.
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@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
On a podcast I think Hall said that Clarke is considered (by some) to be the best in the country. For those with pace etc he and Jordan are probably the two at the top of the queue. I assume that the selectors just don't want two new wings out there - they didn't even want one new wing out there.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
On a podcast I think Hall said that Clarke is considered (by some) to be the best in the country. For those with pace etc he and Jordan are probably the two at the top of the queue. I assume that the selectors just don't want two new wings out there - they didn't even want one new wing out there.
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Who is disagreeing?
This conversation is about who should be starting in the 14 jersey.
No one expects him to say no to it.
@gt12 I should rephrase that better, what I mean is let's just acknowledge that Jordie is a fullback first and a winger/centre second, meaning he lacks some of the qualities that a typical winger should naturally possess (speed), and that he is a lot more accustomed to fullback where he can use his strengths (height, size, kicking game) more effectively.
I would rather see Jordie on the bench covering 12,13,15 if he isn't going to start at fullback because I think someone like Jordan would probably fit into that 14 jersey more naturally as he has that speed/elusiveness to open a game up a game from the back.
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@gt12 I should rephrase that better, what I mean is let's just acknowledge that Jordie is a fullback first and a winger/centre second, meaning he lacks some of the qualities that a typical winger should naturally possess (speed), and that he is a lot more accustomed to fullback where he can use his strengths (height, size, kicking game) more effectively.
I would rather see Jordie on the bench covering 12,13,15 if he isn't going to start at fullback because I think someone like Jordan would probably fit into that 14 jersey more naturally as he has that speed/elusiveness to open a game up a game from the back.
@Canes4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@gt12 I should rephrase that better, what I mean is let's just acknowledge that Jordie is a fullback first and a winger/centre second, meaning he lacks some of the qualities that a typical winger should naturally possess (speed), and that he is a lot more accustomed to fullback where he can use his strengths (height, size, kicking game) more effectively.
I would rather see Jordie on the bench covering 12,13,15 if he isn't going to start at fullback because I think someone like Jordan would probably fit into that 14 jersey more naturally as he has that speed/elusiveness to open a game up a game from the back.
You still harping on about him being a midfielder?
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@Canes4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@gt12 I should rephrase that better, what I mean is let's just acknowledge that Jordie is a fullback first and a winger/centre second, meaning he lacks some of the qualities that a typical winger should naturally possess (speed), and that he is a lot more accustomed to fullback where he can use his strengths (height, size, kicking game) more effectively.
I would rather see Jordie on the bench covering 12,13,15 if he isn't going to start at fullback because I think someone like Jordan would probably fit into that 14 jersey more naturally as he has that speed/elusiveness to open a game up a game from the back.
You still harping on about him being a midfielder?
I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the AB midfield.@Crucial no I'm saying he's a fullback first and can cover those other positions if needed.
If you want to argue his ability at 2nd five/ centre he'd do alot better than Reiko Ioane who was embarrasing in that first test.
