Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Who of our current wings have issues under the high ball?
I'm not completely convinced by Reece, but Ioane, Jordan, and Clarke are all OK to very good.
Jordie's height is a bullshit reason.
In fact, Jordan is probably being robbed here, because if Beauden is judged to be the best 15, Jordie probably shouldn't be in the team or on the bench.
With Jordan on the wing or on the bench, there is 10 and FB cover there, so we could load up on attackers or carry 6 forwards.
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@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
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Can we all just agree that Jordie is a fullback who's being forced to play wing. He's been arguably the best fullback in the country this year. He's safe as houses under the high ball, he's strong with ball in hand and he's got a fantastic kicking game. The only reason he isn't playing in his preferred position is because of Beauden who IMO didn't deserve the jersey after a fairly mediocre year.
Is he a wing? Probably not, but he isn't exactly going to say no when the selectors throw him the jersey.
These coaches need to give the fans what they really want and start a back three of 11. Clarke 14. Jordan and 15. Jordie.
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Can we all just agree that Jordie is a fullback who's being forced to play wing. He's been arguably the best fullback in the country this year. He's safe as houses under the high ball, he's strong with ball in hand and he's got a fantastic kicking game. The only reason he isn't playing in his preferred position is because of Beauden who IMO didn't deserve the jersey after a fairly mediocre year.
Is he a wing? Probably not, but he isn't exactly going to say no when the selectors throw him the jersey.
These coaches need to give the fans what they really want and start a back three of 11. Clarke 14. Jordan and 15. Jordie.
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@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
On a podcast I think Hall said that Clarke is considered (by some) to be the best in the country. For those with pace etc he and Jordan are probably the two at the top of the queue. I assume that the selectors just don't want two new wings out there - they didn't even want one new wing out there.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
On a podcast I think Hall said that Clarke is considered (by some) to be the best in the country. For those with pace etc he and Jordan are probably the two at the top of the queue. I assume that the selectors just don't want two new wings out there - they didn't even want one new wing out there.
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Who is disagreeing?
This conversation is about who should be starting in the 14 jersey.
No one expects him to say no to it.
@gt12 I should rephrase that better, what I mean is let's just acknowledge that Jordie is a fullback first and a winger/centre second, meaning he lacks some of the qualities that a typical winger should naturally possess (speed), and that he is a lot more accustomed to fullback where he can use his strengths (height, size, kicking game) more effectively.
I would rather see Jordie on the bench covering 12,13,15 if he isn't going to start at fullback because I think someone like Jordan would probably fit into that 14 jersey more naturally as he has that speed/elusiveness to open a game up a game from the back.
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@gt12 I should rephrase that better, what I mean is let's just acknowledge that Jordie is a fullback first and a winger/centre second, meaning he lacks some of the qualities that a typical winger should naturally possess (speed), and that he is a lot more accustomed to fullback where he can use his strengths (height, size, kicking game) more effectively.
I would rather see Jordie on the bench covering 12,13,15 if he isn't going to start at fullback because I think someone like Jordan would probably fit into that 14 jersey more naturally as he has that speed/elusiveness to open a game up a game from the back.
@Canes4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@gt12 I should rephrase that better, what I mean is let's just acknowledge that Jordie is a fullback first and a winger/centre second, meaning he lacks some of the qualities that a typical winger should naturally possess (speed), and that he is a lot more accustomed to fullback where he can use his strengths (height, size, kicking game) more effectively.
I would rather see Jordie on the bench covering 12,13,15 if he isn't going to start at fullback because I think someone like Jordan would probably fit into that 14 jersey more naturally as he has that speed/elusiveness to open a game up a game from the back.
You still harping on about him being a midfielder?
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@Canes4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@gt12 I should rephrase that better, what I mean is let's just acknowledge that Jordie is a fullback first and a winger/centre second, meaning he lacks some of the qualities that a typical winger should naturally possess (speed), and that he is a lot more accustomed to fullback where he can use his strengths (height, size, kicking game) more effectively.
I would rather see Jordie on the bench covering 12,13,15 if he isn't going to start at fullback because I think someone like Jordan would probably fit into that 14 jersey more naturally as he has that speed/elusiveness to open a game up a game from the back.
You still harping on about him being a midfielder?
I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the AB midfield.@Crucial no I'm saying he's a fullback first and can cover those other positions if needed.
If you want to argue his ability at 2nd five/ centre he'd do alot better than Reiko Ioane who was embarrasing in that first test.
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Can we all just agree that Jordie is a fullback who's being forced to play wing. He's been arguably the best fullback in the country this year. He's safe as houses under the high ball, he's strong with ball in hand and he's got a fantastic kicking game. The only reason he isn't playing in his preferred position is because of Beauden who IMO didn't deserve the jersey after a fairly mediocre year.
Is he a wing? Probably not, but he isn't exactly going to say no when the selectors throw him the jersey.
These coaches need to give the fans what they really want and start a back three of 11. Clarke 14. Jordan and 15. Jordie.
@Canes4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Can we all just agree that Jordie is a fullback who's being forced to play wing. He's been arguably the best fullback in the country this year. He's safe as houses under the high ball, he's strong with ball in hand and he's got a fantastic kicking game. The only reason he isn't playing in his preferred position is because of Beauden who IMO didn't deserve the jersey after a fairly mediocre year.
Is he a wing? Probably not, but he isn't exactly going to say no when the selectors throw him the jersey.
These coaches need to give the fans what they really want and start a back three of 11. Clarke 14. Jordan and 15. Jordie.
Breaking news, not all All Black selections are made on recent super rugby form.
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@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
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@Canes4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Can we all just agree that Jordie is a fullback who's being forced to play wing. He's been arguably the best fullback in the country this year. He's safe as houses under the high ball, he's strong with ball in hand and he's got a fantastic kicking game. The only reason he isn't playing in his preferred position is because of Beauden who IMO didn't deserve the jersey after a fairly mediocre year.
Is he a wing? Probably not, but he isn't exactly going to say no when the selectors throw him the jersey.
These coaches need to give the fans what they really want and start a back three of 11. Clarke 14. Jordan and 15. Jordie.
Breaking news, not all All Black selections are made on recent super rugby form.
@ACT-Crusader no shit, it's why Beauden's still starting.
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@ACT-Crusader no shit, it's why Beauden's still starting.
@Canes4life so why talk about “deserving”?
There was no way the AB selectors were going to leave out their most experienced back (other than Smith) even if his form at Super rugby was up and down.
The only question was do they see more upside with
B. Barrett and DMac 10-15 combo or Mo’unga and B. Barrett 10-15 combo.
So far it’s been the latter. Could change against Argies.
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@Canes4life so why talk about “deserving”?
There was no way the AB selectors were going to leave out their most experienced back (other than Smith) even if his form at Super rugby was up and down.
The only question was do they see more upside with
B. Barrett and DMac 10-15 combo or Mo’unga and B. Barrett 10-15 combo.
So far it’s been the latter. Could change against Argies.
@ACT-Crusader I know Foster obviously wanted to start his tenure off with a win by selecting that experience but for me I would have liked to see Jordan and Jordie get that first opportunity after playing the house down all year. No better opportunity than throwing those guys into a test on home turf against a fairly inexperienced Australian side.
That's just me though, others like Foster want to be conserative by selecting a more experienced side and that's fine. It's all a matter of opinion. Heck you could even argue the RM/BB combo failed at the WC so why even persist with it. I guess that's what makes the debate around some of these selections so absorbing
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Tim said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The Sydney job is perfect for Sam Whitelock, who was ruled out of the Auckland match because of concussion.
The word is that the vastly experienced Whitelock is fit for this one. Excellent. It gives Rennie and co something more to worry about.
It's only Knowler, but hopefully this is true.
"The latter (Jordie) may lack top-end speed when compared to other test wings, but his height will prove advantageous if the Aussies go for a high kicking game through halfback Nic White"
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
I banged that drum as an advantage he possessed, then we kicked high to his wing about as often as he made 55m penalties
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I banged that drum as an advantage he possessed, then we kicked high to his wing about as often as he made 55m penalties
Fozzie's keeping his powder dry.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@chimoaus pretty sure Clarke is as tall as Bridge, if not taller!
Caleb might be borrowing Ardie's box to stand on for those official stats. Apparently he's a centimetre taller than Will Jordan!
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@chimoaus pretty sure Clarke is as tall as Bridge, if not taller!
Caleb might be borrowing Ardie's box to stand on for those official stats. Apparently he's a centimetre taller than Will Jordan!
