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Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October

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    The Hart era is often seen as an anomaly but then there was Mitchell and, possibly, Foster?
    I could be wrong but think AB fan sentiment oriented more to pick the best team at the time but now with the increasing number of strong competitors more fans might want to have a more long-range RWC-targeted team selection strategy?

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    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

      The Hart era is often seen as an anomaly but then there was Mitchell and, possibly, Foster?
      I could be wrong but think AB fan sentiment oriented more to pick the best team at the time but now with the increasing number of strong competitors more fans might want to have a more long-range RWC-targeted team selection strategy?

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      @nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

      The Hart era is often seen as an anomaly but then there was Mitchell and, possibly, Foster?
      I could be wrong but think AB fan sentiment oriented more to pick the best team at the time but now with the increasing number of strong competitors more fans might want to have a more long-range RWC-targeted team selection strategy?

      Mitchell came in mid-cycle so had less time than Hart to build something.

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      • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

        The Hart era is often seen as an anomaly but then there was Mitchell and, possibly, Foster?
        I could be wrong but think AB fan sentiment oriented more to pick the best team at the time but now with the increasing number of strong competitors more fans might want to have a more long-range RWC-targeted team selection strategy?

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        @nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

        The Hart era is often seen as an anomaly but then there was Mitchell and, possibly, Foster?
        I could be wrong but think AB fan sentiment oriented more to pick the best team at the time but now with the increasing number of strong competitors more fans might want to have a more long-range RWC-targeted team selection strategy?

        I might be a bit old school here, but pick your best team every time (injuries happen but we have some depth), play them in position (or at least where they have experience), build combinations and when a RWC comes around it should be sorted. There will be enough "blooded" players.

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        • SnowyS Snowy

          @nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

          The Hart era is often seen as an anomaly but then there was Mitchell and, possibly, Foster?
          I could be wrong but think AB fan sentiment oriented more to pick the best team at the time but now with the increasing number of strong competitors more fans might want to have a more long-range RWC-targeted team selection strategy?

          I might be a bit old school here, but pick your best team every time (injuries happen but we have some depth), play them in position (or at least where they have experience), build combinations and when a RWC comes around it should be sorted. There will be enough "blooded" players.

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          @Snowy said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

          @nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

          The Hart era is often seen as an anomaly but then there was Mitchell and, possibly, Foster?
          I could be wrong but think AB fan sentiment oriented more to pick the best team at the time but now with the increasing number of strong competitors more fans might want to have a more long-range RWC-targeted team selection strategy?

          I might be a bit old school here, but pick your best team every time (injuries happen but we have some depth), play them in position (or at least where they have experience), build combinations and when a RWC comes around it should be sorted. There will be enough "blooded" players.

          It’s certainly an interesting balance. When you look the success of the ABs in 05-06, the depth of players that was built (eg “2 x AB XVs”), from the outside looking in it didn’t appear they knew what their best team was come 2007. Rather they had players that knew their role should they get selected. The number of changes to the midfield, wings, locks was very high during that period.

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          • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

            @Snowy said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

            @nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

            The Hart era is often seen as an anomaly but then there was Mitchell and, possibly, Foster?
            I could be wrong but think AB fan sentiment oriented more to pick the best team at the time but now with the increasing number of strong competitors more fans might want to have a more long-range RWC-targeted team selection strategy?

            I might be a bit old school here, but pick your best team every time (injuries happen but we have some depth), play them in position (or at least where they have experience), build combinations and when a RWC comes around it should be sorted. There will be enough "blooded" players.

            It’s certainly an interesting balance. When you look the success of the ABs in 05-06, the depth of players that was built (eg “2 x AB XVs”), from the outside looking in it didn’t appear they knew what their best team was come 2007. Rather they had players that knew their role should they get selected. The number of changes to the midfield, wings, locks was very high during that period.

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            @ACT-Crusader Yep. Look where that got us.

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            • SnowyS Snowy

              @nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

              The Hart era is often seen as an anomaly but then there was Mitchell and, possibly, Foster?
              I could be wrong but think AB fan sentiment oriented more to pick the best team at the time but now with the increasing number of strong competitors more fans might want to have a more long-range RWC-targeted team selection strategy?

              I might be a bit old school here, but pick your best team every time (injuries happen but we have some depth), play them in position (or at least where they have experience), build combinations and when a RWC comes around it should be sorted. There will be enough "blooded" players.

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              @Snowy I partially agree with you (esp at 9-10 and midfield) but it also requires faith in coach selections-that they are not so conservative or loyal they miss up and coming better players.

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              • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                @Snowy I partially agree with you (esp at 9-10 and midfield) but it also requires faith in coach selections-that they are not so conservative or loyal they miss up and coming better players.

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                @nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

                @Snowy I partially agree with you (esp at 9-10 and midfield) but it also requires faith in coach selections-that they are not so conservative or loyal they miss up and coming better players.

                To an extent re loyalty, but I did say "pick your best team" so a Caleb Clarke would be picked not an encumbent just for the sake of it.

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                  AB fans want us to build to be as strong as possible at the next world cup

                  this must be done while winning every single test between now and then picking the best team for every game

                  these wins should be dominant and by a double figure margin

                  and earned with beautiful free-flowing rugby. set up by dominant forwards in tight.

                  so no worries aye?

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    AB fans want us to build to be as strong as possible at the next world cup

                    this must be done while winning every single test between now and then picking the best team for every game

                    these wins should be dominant and by a double figure margin

                    and earned with beautiful free-flowing rugby. set up by dominant forwards in tight.

                    so no worries aye?

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                    @mariner4life Yes. That's the spirit.

                    Those that think that winning all the time is bad are losers.

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                      Anyone expecting big changes tomorrow should probably have a think about who the selection panel is.

                      I would suggest there will be no changes to the backs and but there could be a couple of changes in the forwards probably only daddy duties and concussion the only real changes, namely 8, probably 5 and 1. Bench could be interesting though

                      I will probably know soon enough if official timing is tomorrow

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                      • nostrildamusN Offline
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                        Speaking of the best players, Hamish Bidwell has an opinion:
                        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-we-are-past-the-point-where-lachlan-boshiers-all-blacks-omission-is-acceptable/XRMZLQUFTI57L6NYYH6P6LXNR4/

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                        • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                          Speaking of the best players, Hamish Bidwell has an opinion:
                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-we-are-past-the-point-where-lachlan-boshiers-all-blacks-omission-is-acceptable/XRMZLQUFTI57L6NYYH6P6LXNR4/

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                          @nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

                          Speaking of the best players, Hamish Bidwell has an opinion:
                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-we-are-past-the-point-where-lachlan-boshiers-all-blacks-omission-is-acceptable/XRMZLQUFTI57L6NYYH6P6LXNR4/

                          Well that's a load of shite. Kirifi and Papalii have both had great games at Super level, it's plain wrong to suggest otherwise.

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                          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                            AB fans want us to build to be as strong as possible at the next world cup

                            this must be done while winning every single test between now and then picking the best team for every game

                            these wins should be dominant and by a double figure margin

                            and earned with beautiful free-flowing rugby. set up by dominant forwards in tight.

                            so no worries aye?

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                            @mariner4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

                            AB fans want us to build to be as strong as possible at the next world cup

                            this must be done while winning every single test between now and then picking the best team for every game

                            these wins should be dominant and by a double figure margin

                            and earned with beautiful free-flowing rugby. set up by dominant forwards in tight.

                            so no worries aye?

                            All sweet aye cuz.

                            And let’s not forget a coach that is slim, speaks eloquently to the media, and tells us why Akira isn’t selected in the starting lineup each test 😎

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                            • bayimportsB bayimports

                              Anyone expecting big changes tomorrow should probably have a think about who the selection panel is.

                              I would suggest there will be no changes to the backs and but there could be a couple of changes in the forwards probably only daddy duties and concussion the only real changes, namely 8, probably 5 and 1. Bench could be interesting though

                              I will probably know soon enough if official timing is tomorrow

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                              @bayimports said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

                              Anyone expecting big changes tomorrow should probably have a think about who the selection panel is.

                              I would suggest there will be no changes to the backs and but there could be a couple of changes in the forwards probably only daddy duties and concussion the only real changes, namely 8, probably 5 and 1. Bench could be interesting though

                              I will probably know soon enough if official timing is tomorrow

                              If the sauce is indeed the correct ingredient, then the guess above turns out to be very accurate, sorry wont post until later as too many journos have enough time to create stories this early. Fill in the blanks for starting XV, that was quite easy. If anyone correctly predicts the bench though they get a virtual beer, I didn't, most will get close, but in its entirety may not be so easy. Should at least create some fun for the afternoon.

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                              • bayimportsB bayimports

                                @bayimports said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

                                Anyone expecting big changes tomorrow should probably have a think about who the selection panel is.

                                I would suggest there will be no changes to the backs and but there could be a couple of changes in the forwards probably only daddy duties and concussion the only real changes, namely 8, probably 5 and 1. Bench could be interesting though

                                I will probably know soon enough if official timing is tomorrow

                                If the sauce is indeed the correct ingredient, then the guess above turns out to be very accurate, sorry wont post until later as too many journos have enough time to create stories this early. Fill in the blanks for starting XV, that was quite easy. If anyone correctly predicts the bench though they get a virtual beer, I didn't, most will get close, but in its entirety may not be so easy. Should at least create some fun for the afternoon.

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                                @bayimports said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

                                If anyone correctly predicts the bench though they get a virtual beer, I didn't, most will get close, but in its entirety may not be so easy. Should at least create some fun for the afternoon.

                                Are they trying to fit even more 10's & 15's into the team?

                                I'll have stab and go with both Dmac and Jordan both on the bench (which makes no sense by the way).

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                                  Do we know the offical time for tomorrow?

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                                  • bayimportsB bayimports

                                    Anyone expecting big changes tomorrow should probably have a think about who the selection panel is.

                                    I would suggest there will be no changes to the backs and but there could be a couple of changes in the forwards probably only daddy duties and concussion the only real changes, namely 8, probably 5 and 1. Bench could be interesting though

                                    I will probably know soon enough if official timing is tomorrow

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                                    @bayimports said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

                                    Bench could be interesting though

                                    Kirifi leapfrogs Papali'i and goes straight onto the bench?

                                    He's been doing a lot of media this week

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                                      Perhaps a 6/2 forward/back bench split with the wet weather predicted?

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                                        I'll take a stab at the reserves

                                        Lomax,Taylor,Hodgman,SBarrett, AI, TJ, RI, Jordan

                                        or if they go a 6/2 bench
                                        Lomax,Taylor,Hodgman, Vaa’i, SBarrett, AI, TJ, Jordan

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                                        • bayimportsB bayimports

                                          @bayimports said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

                                          Anyone expecting big changes tomorrow should probably have a think about who the selection panel is.

                                          I would suggest there will be no changes to the backs and but there could be a couple of changes in the forwards probably only daddy duties and concussion the only real changes, namely 8, probably 5 and 1. Bench could be interesting though

                                          I will probably know soon enough if official timing is tomorrow

                                          If the sauce is indeed the correct ingredient, then the guess above turns out to be very accurate, sorry wont post until later as too many journos have enough time to create stories this early. Fill in the blanks for starting XV, that was quite easy. If anyone correctly predicts the bench though they get a virtual beer, I didn't, most will get close, but in its entirety may not be so easy. Should at least create some fun for the afternoon.

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                                          @bayimports said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

                                          @bayimports said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

                                          Anyone expecting big changes tomorrow should probably have a think about who the selection panel is.

                                          I would suggest there will be no changes to the backs and but there could be a couple of changes in the forwards probably only daddy duties and concussion the only real changes, namely 8, probably 5 and 1. Bench could be interesting though

                                          I will probably know soon enough if official timing is tomorrow

                                          If the sauce is indeed the correct ingredient, then the guess above turns out to be very accurate, sorry wont post until later as too many journos have enough time to create stories this early. Fill in the blanks for starting XV, that was quite easy. If anyone correctly predicts the bench though they get a virtual beer, I didn't, most will get close, but in its entirety may not be so easy. Should at least create some fun for the afternoon.

                                          So if your guess is very accurate, Joe isn't playing, which means a start for Alex.

                                          Bench: BK, Taylor, Lomax, Barrett, Kirifi, TJ, Ioane, Jordan.

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