Golf
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@Catogrande said in Golf:
@Catogrande I don’t know, I didn’t know they weren’t paid to play until this year, and as somewhat uncomfortable as millionaires not being paid might sound, I think he’s right. Lots of people make a killing from this event, why should the players do it for free?
I don’t necessarily think that the players should do it for free, but at present it is the purest contest in top level golf and players doing it for the team ethic is, I feel, a significant part of that. Moreover, most players are very happy to play for free and in fact seem to enjoy the completely different environment this brings. If that changes and the RC no longer draws the top players, or ceases to be a competitive event, or even that payment becomes an issue for the majority, then maybe changes would need to be made.
Right now it is just the odd person with a gripe about not being paid for something that he can easily just decline.
I agree that any pay should be token, as opposed to representing a financial incentive to qualify for
@Catogrande said in Golf:
@Catogrande I don’t know, I didn’t know they weren’t paid to play until this year, and as somewhat uncomfortable as millionaires not being paid might sound, I think he’s right. Lots of people make a killing from this event, why should the players do it for free?
I don’t necessarily think that the players should do it for free, but at present it is the purest contest in top level golf and players doing it for the team ethic is, I feel, a significant part of that. Moreover, most players are very happy to play for free and in fact seem to enjoy the completely different environment this brings. If that changes and the RC no longer draws the top players, or ceases to be a competitive event, or even that payment becomes an issue for the majority, then maybe changes would need to be made.
Right now it is just the odd person with a gripe about not being paid for something that he can easily just decline.
I agree that any pay should be token, as opposed to representing a financial incentive to qualify for
In a way that’s the position now, the players and their entourages get well looked after and they’re given money to donate to charities. Someone mentioned a figure of £200k?
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@Catogrande said in Golf:
@Catogrande I don’t know, I didn’t know they weren’t paid to play until this year, and as somewhat uncomfortable as millionaires not being paid might sound, I think he’s right. Lots of people make a killing from this event, why should the players do it for free?
I don’t necessarily think that the players should do it for free, but at present it is the purest contest in top level golf and players doing it for the team ethic is, I feel, a significant part of that. Moreover, most players are very happy to play for free and in fact seem to enjoy the completely different environment this brings. If that changes and the RC no longer draws the top players, or ceases to be a competitive event, or even that payment becomes an issue for the majority, then maybe changes would need to be made.
Right now it is just the odd person with a gripe about not being paid for something that he can easily just decline.
I agree that any pay should be token, as opposed to representing a financial incentive to qualify for
In a way that’s the position now, the players and their entourages get well looked after and they’re given money to donate to charities. Someone mentioned a figure of £200k?
@Catogrande said in Golf:
@Catogrande said in Golf:
@Catogrande I don’t know, I didn’t know they weren’t paid to play until this year, and as somewhat uncomfortable as millionaires not being paid might sound, I think he’s right. Lots of people make a killing from this event, why should the players do it for free?
I don’t necessarily think that the players should do it for free, but at present it is the purest contest in top level golf and players doing it for the team ethic is, I feel, a significant part of that. Moreover, most players are very happy to play for free and in fact seem to enjoy the completely different environment this brings. If that changes and the RC no longer draws the top players, or ceases to be a competitive event, or even that payment becomes an issue for the majority, then maybe changes would need to be made.
Right now it is just the odd person with a gripe about not being paid for something that he can easily just decline.
I agree that any pay should be token, as opposed to representing a financial incentive to qualify for
In a way that’s the position now, the players and their entourages get well looked after and they’re given money to donate to charities. Someone mentioned a figure of £200k?
If that's the case, if you don't want to play for whatever reason, just opt out
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Brutal from Koepka
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxtrV7ONNBo/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==
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Brutal from Koepka
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxtrV7ONNBo/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==
I never really took to Koepka not sure why, but seeing him and a few others on Swing (Netflix), they came across very well and that clip sort of confirms it.
Patrick Reed, not so much.
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I never really took to Koepka not sure why, but seeing him and a few others on Swing (Netflix), they came across very well and that clip sort of confirms it.
Patrick Reed, not so much.
@Catogrande I was the same, used to think he was a twat until that series.
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I never really took to Koepka not sure why, but seeing him and a few others on Swing (Netflix), they came across very well and that clip sort of confirms it.
Patrick Reed, not so much.
@Catogrande said in Golf:
I never really took to Koepka not sure why, but seeing him and a few others on Swing (Netflix), they came across very well and that clip sort of confirms it.
Patrick Reed, not so much.
I’m the opposite. Liked Brooks but didn’t like him on Netflix
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@Catogrande I was the same, used to think he was a twat until that series.
@taniwharugby Exactly the same as me. Really wasn't a fan but doesnt appear a bad guy at all
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Brutal from Koepka
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxtrV7ONNBo/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==
@taniwharugby said in Golf:
Brutal from Koepka
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxtrV7ONNBo/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==
Maybe so. But if you add Dechambeau, Reed, DJ and anyone else from LIV I've forgotten in there, I think the US could have won. Johnson had his captain's picks and could have used them. He picked Spieth, Thomas, Burns, and Fowler along with Koepka and Morikawa. 4 of those guys did fuck all IIRC
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@mariner4life said in Golf:
I like Rory less and less as time goes on. He’s a shit spokesman for the PGA. Just comes across as a fucking whiney prick.
Well. I mean. He's Irish
Yeah same island, just not the same Ireland.
WTF do they do to their sportspeople? I've never met a whiney Irishman in person, but BOD, Sexton, McIlroy all come across as whingers.
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@taniwharugby said in Golf:
Brutal from Koepka
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxtrV7ONNBo/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==
Maybe so. But if you add Dechambeau, Reed, DJ and anyone else from LIV I've forgotten in there, I think the US could have won. Johnson had his captain's picks and could have used them. He picked Spieth, Thomas, Burns, and Fowler along with Koepka and Morikawa. 4 of those guys did fuck all IIRC
@taniwharugby said in Golf:
Brutal from Koepka
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxtrV7ONNBo/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==
Maybe so. But if you add Dechambeau, Reed, DJ and anyone else from LIV I've forgotten in there, I think the US could have won. Johnson had his captain's picks and could have used them. He picked Spieth, Thomas, Burns, and Fowler along with Koepka and Morikawa. 4 of those guys did fuck all IIRC
Really? The US team room already had enough issues without adding two cancerous personalities in there (and DJ). Not to mention Reed and DJ have been playing just as poorly as the players you mentioned.
If anyone should feel hard done by it's Keegan Bradley.
And ultimately the captain's picks sucked, but so did everyone on that team (Homa aside). None of those picks featured in the 9&7 loss...
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I like Rory. Has the stones to put himself out there, and has been hung out to dry by Jay Monahan and the PGA tour brass.
I'll take the ups and downs of Rory ahead of the bland nothingness brought by Cantlay, Schauffele and Scheffler any day of the week.
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Rory's just been handed 15mm from the PGA for generating interest.
Yes, all of the above is correct.
I have to say I actually find professional golf quite sickening now. The levels of money are absolutely fucking stupid. Rory's just been handed more money than 99.999% of the worlds population will earn in their entire lifetime as some sort of a bonus for being on twitter.
My last sporting fan goal in life (US Masters) has pretty much so evaporated since LIV. Shit like this, doesn't help.
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hypocritical little irish fluffybunny
but but but moi traditions! way to make the ultimate sacrifice there Rory.
The only golfer i have any time for is that guy from Full Swing who doesn't give a shit.
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hypocritical little irish fluffybunny
but but but moi traditions! way to make the ultimate sacrifice there Rory.
The only golfer i have any time for is that guy from Full Swing who doesn't give a shit.
@mariner4life oh for the days when Tiger was nailing it (on, and off the course...)
WTAF, a prize for not playing golf FFS...more so when PGA used him as thier mouthpeice in the battle v LIV, made him unlikeable to many (I love watching him hit a golf ball though)
LIV & PGA need to pull thier heads out thier arses and let them all play fucking golf.
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I'll play devil's advocate here. I understand why this payment is made.
The PGA Tour doesn't pay appearance fees. So the only source of income is prize money. And that's great and egalitarian and all that, but it doesn't recognise one simple fact: players like Tiger, Rory, Jordan etc. are the reason people go to the course or turn on their TV.
So Rory might tie with John Q Nobody for 15th place, and walk away with the exact same amount of cash, even though he brought far more to the event than Mr Nobody. Very few other sports work in this way.
And then LIV came along and said 'hey we will pay you a contract for what you are actually worth to the game (and then triple it)'. No more uncertainty, just dollars dollars dollars baby.
The Tour had to do something to balance that and ensure the top players were compensated better for what they bring to the game. And that's where the PIP comes in. It's about more than social media, it's news coverage, sponsor interest, and a few other things.
I'd much rather the cash go to the players I actually watch than player #115 who I couldn't pick out of a lineup.
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I have no problems with the prize existing
But it's just another nail in the "Rory choosing tradition over money" coffin. Rory chose both, because he can. Good on him, but shut the fuck up.
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Disagree. I like him more because he speaks his mind. And the Tour has hung him out to dry.
I like him because he's not afraid to be polarising. Others hate him, that's fine. Golf needs these people, rather than the hundreds of dreary Americans who have as much character as a brown onion.
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I'll play devil's advocate here. I understand why this payment is made.
The PGA Tour doesn't pay appearance fees. So the only source of income is prize money. And that's great and egalitarian and all that, but it doesn't recognise one simple fact: players like Tiger, Rory, Jordan etc. are the reason people go to the course or turn on their TV.
So Rory might tie with John Q Nobody for 15th place, and walk away with the exact same amount of cash, even though he brought far more to the event than Mr Nobody. Very few other sports work in this way.
And then LIV came along and said 'hey we will pay you a contract for what you are actually worth to the game (and then triple it)'. No more uncertainty, just dollars dollars dollars baby.
The Tour had to do something to balance that and ensure the top players were compensated better for what they bring to the game. And that's where the PIP comes in. It's about more than social media, it's news coverage, sponsor interest, and a few other things.
I'd much rather the cash go to the players I actually watch than player #115 who I couldn't pick out of a lineup.
@barbarian said in Golf:
I'll play devil's advocate here. I understand why this payment is made.
The PGA Tour doesn't pay appearance fees. So the only source of income is prize money. And that's great and egalitarian and all that, but it doesn't recognise one simple fact: players like Tiger, Rory, Jordan etc. are the reason people go to the course or turn on their TV.
How did Tiger, Rory, Jordan get to the point that millions of people will come to watch them play. Do you think it was because they were constantly finishing 15th - 25th? Or was it because they were winning, which was generating them millions in prize money, and even more in endorsements?
So Rory might tie with John Q Nobody for 15th place, and walk away with the exact same amount of cash, even though he brought far more to the event than Mr Nobody. Very few other sports work in this way.
Well it's a sporting competition. IF Rory wants to earn more money than John Q nobody, then he should finish ahead of him. How about that!
And then LIV came along and said 'hey we will pay you a contract for what you are actually worth to the game (and then triple it)'. No more uncertainty, just dollars dollars dollars baby.
Exactly. If you are worth 100 mill, LIV will now make you worth 300 mill! That seems totally reasonable and is the main reason why so many people absolutely love LIV!!!
The Tour had to do something to balance that and ensure the top players were compensated better for what they bring to the game. And that's where the PIP comes in. It's about more than social media, it's news coverage, sponsor interest, and a few other things.
So the tour agrees with LIV in that winning is such a small percentage of the point of golf now, that they need to make a prize pool of 100mm just to give to players (all worth > 50mm) in order to encourarge them to use twitter.
I'd much rather the cash go to the players I actually watch than player #115 who I couldn't pick out of a lineup.
So winning means nothing to you in sport, and a stronger distribution of cash to the top names, regardless of how they play, means everything.
I literally have not a single ounce of understanding of how you could come to the conclusion that winning is not the be all and end all in sport.
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I'll play devil's advocate here. I understand why this payment is made.
The PGA Tour doesn't pay appearance fees. So the only source of income is prize money. And that's great and egalitarian and all that, but it doesn't recognise one simple fact: players like Tiger, Rory, Jordan etc. are the reason people go to the course or turn on their TV.
So Rory might tie with John Q Nobody for 15th place, and walk away with the exact same amount of cash, even though he brought far more to the event than Mr Nobody. Very few other sports work in this way.
And then LIV came along and said 'hey we will pay you a contract for what you are actually worth to the game (and then triple it)'. No more uncertainty, just dollars dollars dollars baby.
The Tour had to do something to balance that and ensure the top players were compensated better for what they bring to the game. And that's where the PIP comes in. It's about more than social media, it's news coverage, sponsor interest, and a few other things.
I'd much rather the cash go to the players I actually watch than player #115 who I couldn't pick out of a lineup.
@barbarian said in Golf:
The Tour had to do something to balance that and ensure the top players were compensated better for what they bring to the game. And that's where the PIP comes in. It's about more than social media, it's news coverage, sponsor interest, and a few other things.
I'd much rather the cash go to the players I actually watch than player #115 who I couldn't pick out of a lineup.
Given that Tiger appears to have finished 1st, 1st, 2nd for the past 3 years, would you rather the cash goes to someone who won a lot of golf tournaments 2 decades ago and appears to have played 8 tournaments during that time or to someone who is actually playing?
