Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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OK, I’ve calmed down. With the Bledisloe already decided this was already going to turn into a brawl. But referees need to use their discretion more. If there is no intention to use foul play, it is a yellow at the most. The rules are wrong. People pay money for this. If you red card players, you destroy the spectacle. At least in this case there should have been warnings. But Nick Berry is way out of his depth and looks totally compromised
@MrDenmore Totally agree. You make a lot of sense.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@MrDenmore said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Both of them are yellow cards. Stupid decisions that destroy a code that is struggling anyway
Give refs back discretion.
Then good refs would have gone yellow.
Refs do have discretion. Berry could have said the were both mitigated by players falling.
@hydro11 said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@MrDenmore said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Both of them are yellow cards. Stupid decisions that destroy a code that is struggling anyway
Give refs back discretion.
Then good refs would have gone yellow.
Refs do have discretion. Berry could have said the were both mitigated by players falling.
Except it was obvious neither was. Both shots were at shoulder height to start with and climbing, which is poor technique in seeking dominance.
Ofa had a free shot at an outside back, and chose to drive up instead of bury him in the turf through the floating rib. As a prop, that doesn't happen often, so driving up in the tackle is dumb.
Swinton started high and never dropped when he could have easily and helped ?Paisami? enact a dominant hit.
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Here's why I'm not against either red card.
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1325010274890383360?s=20
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Here's why I'm not against either red card.
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1325010274890383360?s=20
The problem is that the margin between Ofa's tackle being perfectand being a red card is so small. I'm not sure what Ofa did technically wrong. If you were his coach, how would you get him to change his technique so he pulled off a legal tackle?
Cullen, Kirwan and Mils all on the panel said they don't agree with the red cards. I think most players know rugby is a physical game. Intentional acts should be punished harshly but not ones players have no control over.
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I'm happy with both reds tbh. Both calls were right and sumo is also right with what he is saying.
Gutted to see Akira go. God knows if he'll get another chance or not.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
The Red Card situation really needs to be look at.
There has been too many games wrecked in recent years.
But we're back to even, so I don't see a problem
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
The Red Card situation really needs to be look at.
There has been too many games wrecked in recent years.
But we're back to even, so I don't see a problem
I can imagine the Ref thinking "Oh, no. Not fucking again..."
My gripe is there's no distinction between deliberate/dangerous foul play and inadvertent dangerous play .
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Here's why I'm not against either red card.
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1325010274890383360?s=20
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Here's why I'm not against either red card.
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1325010274890383360?s=20
He not wrong but it’s half the story, it’s also their choice to play and entertain us
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Here's why I'm not against either red card.
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1325010274890383360?s=20
The problem is that the margin between Ofa's tackle being perfectand being a red card is so small. I'm not sure what Ofa did technically wrong. If you were his coach, how would you get him to change his technique so he pulled off a legal tackle?
Cullen, Kirwan and Mils all on the panel said they don't agree with the red cards. I think most players know rugby is a physical game. Intentional acts should be punished harshly but not ones players have no control over.
@hydro11 said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Here's why I'm not against either red card.
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1325010274890383360?s=20
The problem is that the margin between Ofa's tackle being perfectand being a red card is so small. I'm not sure what Ofa did technically wrong. If you were his coach, how would you get him to change his technique so he pulled off a legal tackle?
Don't be so fucking lazy and get lower. You can do it at scrum time.
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I don't have a problem with either of the reds under the current rules. Ofa's was really high and he hardly made any effort to lower his body despite having the time to do so.
The Oz blindside's tackle was probably even more reckless. Shocker that Whitelock didn't leave the field for a HIA.
I do agree that the reds are overly harsh for both tackles and points to the need of an in-between option. Whether that's a 20 minute card or that particularly is gone for the game but can be replaced by someone after 10 minutes.
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I'm happy with both reds tbh. Both calls were right and sumo is also right with what he is saying.
Gutted to see Akira go. God knows if he'll get another chance or not.
@African-Monkey said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Gutted to see Akira go. God knows if he'll get another chance or not.
Thought he was just getting into his stride too. Think Fozzie's seen enough to give him another go. Would be the fair thing to do.
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I'm happy with both reds tbh. Both calls were right and sumo is also right with what he is saying.
Gutted to see Akira go. God knows if he'll get another chance or not.
@African-Monkey said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I'm happy with both reds tbh. Both calls were right and sumo is also right with what he is saying.
Gutted to see Akira go. God knows if he'll get another chance or not.
That's the tragedy - he's paying for someone else's mistake
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Here's why I'm not against either red card.
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1325010274890383360?s=20
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I'm happy with both reds tbh. Both calls were right and sumo is also right with what he is saying.
Gutted to see Akira go. God knows if he'll get another chance or not.
@African-Monkey said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I'm happy with both reds tbh. Both calls were right and sumo is also right with what he is saying.
Gutted to see Akira go. God knows if he'll get another chance or not.
He will. He’s not Ben Atiga...
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I'm happy with both reds tbh. Both calls were right and sumo is also right with what he is saying.
Gutted to see Akira go. God knows if he'll get another chance or not.
@African-Monkey said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I'm happy with both reds tbh. Both calls were right and sumo is also right with what he is saying.
Gutted to see Akira go. God knows if he'll get another chance or not.
He'll get another chance alright - he was excellent.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Here's why I'm not against either red card.
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1325010274890383360?s=20
The problem is that the margin between Ofa's tackle being perfectand being a red card is so small. I'm not sure what Ofa did technically wrong. If you were his coach, how would you get him to change his technique so he pulled off a legal tackle?
Cullen, Kirwan and Mils all on the panel said they don't agree with the red cards. I think most players know rugby is a physical game. Intentional acts should be punished harshly but not ones players have no control over.
@hydro11 said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Cullen, Kirwan and Mils all on the panel said they don't agree with the red cards.
Concussion can (and does) finish careers. Both were too high and hit the head. Players just need to aim lower
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I thought they were both reds under the rules as they are, doesn’t mean I think they should be in general though
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@hydro11 said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Here's why I'm not against either red card.
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1325010274890383360?s=20
The problem is that the margin between Ofa's tackle being perfectand being a red card is so small. I'm not sure what Ofa did technically wrong. If you were his coach, how would you get him to change his technique so he pulled off a legal tackle?
Don't be so fucking lazy and get lower. You can do it at scrum time.
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@hydro11 said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Here's why I'm not against either red card.
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1325010274890383360?s=20
The problem is that the margin between Ofa's tackle being perfectand being a red card is so small. I'm not sure what Ofa did technically wrong. If you were his coach, how would you get him to change his technique so he pulled off a legal tackle?
Don't be so fucking lazy and get lower. You can do it at scrum time.
At scrum tim you know the other player will be at the same height.
