Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@Kirwan Yeah - but, to be fair you guys in the Akira fan club are always going to be marking Shannon harsher than he deserves.
Anyway, let's hope Akira gets a start this weekend and it doesn't get ruined by any foolish Blues team mates (or anyone else for that matter!
@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Yeah - but, to be fair you guys in the Akira fan club are always going to be marking Shannon harsher than he deserves.
Anyway, let's hope Akira gets a start this weekend and it doesn't get ruined by any foolish Blues team mates (or anyone else for that matter!
if i can be serious for a moment
i would be classed as being in the AI fan club, so you can read in to the following what you want but
Frizzle isn't doing so well that he has an automatic lock on his spot. I wouldn't mind seeing of we can do better. It's incredibly frustrating that we are not being given that opportunity because reasons.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Yeah - but, to be fair you guys in the Akira fan club are always going to be marking Shannon harsher than he deserves.
Anyway, let's hope Akira gets a start this weekend and it doesn't get ruined by any foolish Blues team mates (or anyone else for that matter!
if i can be serious for a moment
i would be classed as being in the AI fan club, so you can read in to the following what you want but
Frizzle isn't doing so well that he has an automatic lock on his spot. I wouldn't mind seeing of we can do better. It's incredibly frustrating that we are not being given that opportunity because reasons.
@mariner4life Also being serious, I agree with you. You may have seen me calling for Akira to play this weekend.
Frizell has been pretty good in a couple of his tests this year though, so I think we can bank that - and give Akira this weekend (and some additional chances in case he is poor) to see what he can do.
I'm also very keen to see Big Red Robinson get a chance next year.
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@mariner4life Also being serious, I agree with you. You may have seen me calling for Akira to play this weekend.
Frizell has been pretty good in a couple of his tests this year though, so I think we can bank that - and give Akira this weekend (and some additional chances in case he is poor) to see what he can do.
I'm also very keen to see Big Red Robinson get a chance next year.
@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@mariner4life Also being serious, I agree with you. You may have seen me calling for Akira to play this weekend.
Frizell has been pretty good in a couple of his tests this year though, so I think we can bank that - and give Akira this weekend (and some additional chances in case he is poor) to see what he can do.
I'm also very keen to see Big Red Robinson get a chance next year.
agree, he's not substandard, and will do a decent job. he may even do better with a real #8...
but perfectly adequate is not the AB way.
of course, AI may prove to be a bust at the next level, and we go back to perfectly adequate.
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Pretty hard to compare. Akira has had fuck all minutes to prove himself.
Frizell has lots more time and has been alright. But is alright good enough?
@Snowy said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Pretty hard to compare. Akira has had fuck all minutes to prove himself.
Frizell has lots more time and has been alright. But is alright good enough?
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I dont think even a big Frizell fan, like me, would begrudge AI getting a few games to see how he goes
IF AI wasn't hanging around I would be happy for frizell to keep playing and really settle in and hopefully find his super form, I probably bristle when mistakes that he makes get waved about like its proof anything good he's done was just a fluke and it starts to feel like people think him not playing like DC in 2005 is why the AB's are loosing
6 may be on the list of things that could be better...but its not the top of the list, midfield, right wing, over all tactics and overall physicality are all on the list above 6 for me
GIve AI a couple of games, if hes awesome great, we can look at the other issue and stop talking about 6
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I dont think even a big Frizell fan, like me, would begrudge AI getting a few games to see how he goes
IF AI wasn't hanging around I would be happy for frizell to keep playing and really settle in and hopefully find his super form, I probably bristle when mistakes that he makes get waved about like its proof anything good he's done was just a fluke and it starts to feel like people think him not playing like DC in 2005 is why the AB's are loosing
6 may be on the list of things that could be better...but its not the top of the list, midfield, right wing, over all tactics and overall physicality are all on the list above 6 for me
GIve AI a couple of games, if hes awesome great, we can look at the other issue and stop talking about 6
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
6 may be on the list of things that could be better...but its not the top of the list, midfield, right wing, over all tactics and overall physicality are all on the list above 6 for me
well, there's a shock...
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@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
6 may be on the list of things that could be better...but its not the top of the list, midfield, right wing, over all tactics and overall physicality are all on the list above 6 for me
well, there's a shock...
@mariner4life shock i think they should be focused on first or shock they should be worked on at all?
I dont think any are revelations...but jeez Frizell/6 gets a lot of talk around here
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@mariner4life shock i think they should be focused on first or shock they should be worked on at all?
I dont think any are revelations...but jeez Frizell/6 gets a lot of talk around here
@Kiwiwomble We miss Jerome.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@mariner4life Also being serious, I agree with you. You may have seen me calling for Akira to play this weekend.
Frizell has been pretty good in a couple of his tests this year though, so I think we can bank that - and give Akira this weekend (and some additional chances in case he is poor) to see what he can do.
I'm also very keen to see Big Red Robinson get a chance next year.
agree, he's not substandard, and will do a decent job. he may even do better with a real #8...
but perfectly adequate is not the AB way.
of course, AI may prove to be a bust at the next level, and we go back to perfectly adequate.
@mariner4life said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@mariner4life Also being serious, I agree with you. You may have seen me calling for Akira to play this weekend.
Frizell has been pretty good in a couple of his tests this year though, so I think we can bank that - and give Akira this weekend (and some additional chances in case he is poor) to see what he can do.
I'm also very keen to see Big Red Robinson get a chance next year.
agree, he's not substandard, and will do a decent job. he may even do better with a real #8...
but perfectly adequate is not the AB way.
of course, AI may prove to be a bust at the next level, and we go back to perfectly adequate.
Exactly.
If Akira proves to be better then away he goes - and we still have Shannon in our pocket in case of injuries.
If he doesn't - then back we go to Shannon until we get an opening for Robinson, Grace or Papalií to get their chance.
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jokes aside maybe shannon on the bench as he can also cover lock
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I dont think even a big Frizell fan, like me, would begrudge AI getting a few games to see how he goes
IF AI wasn't hanging around I would be happy for frizell to keep playing and really settle in and hopefully find his super form, I probably bristle when mistakes that he makes get waved about like its proof anything good he's done was just a fluke and it starts to feel like people think him not playing like DC in 2005 is why the AB's are loosing
6 may be on the list of things that could be better...but its not the top of the list, midfield, right wing, over all tactics and overall physicality are all on the list above 6 for me
GIve AI a couple of games, if hes awesome great, we can look at the other issue and stop talking about 6
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
6 may be on the list of things that could be better...but its not the top of the list, midfield, right wing, over all tactics and overall physicality are all on the list above 6 for me
I actually think the physicality thing up front, tactics are the main things, fix those and alot of the other 'issues' will become moot.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
6 may be on the list of things that could be better...but its not the top of the list, midfield, right wing, over all tactics and overall physicality are all on the list above 6 for me
I actually think the physicality thing up front, tactics are the main things, fix those and alot of the other 'issues' will become moot.
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
6 may be on the list of things that could be better...but its not the top of the list, midfield, right wing, over all tactics and overall physicality are all on the list above 6 for me
I actually think the physicality thing up front, tactics are the main things, fix those and alot of the other 'issues' will become moot.
The bullshit back play just needs space and time
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@mariner4life said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@mariner4life Also being serious, I agree with you. You may have seen me calling for Akira to play this weekend.
Frizell has been pretty good in a couple of his tests this year though, so I think we can bank that - and give Akira this weekend (and some additional chances in case he is poor) to see what he can do.
I'm also very keen to see Big Red Robinson get a chance next year.
agree, he's not substandard, and will do a decent job. he may even do better with a real #8...
but perfectly adequate is not the AB way.
of course, AI may prove to be a bust at the next level, and we go back to perfectly adequate.
Exactly.
If Akira proves to be better then away he goes - and we still have Shannon in our pocket in case of injuries.
If he doesn't - then back we go to Shannon until we get an opening for Robinson, Grace or Papalií to get their chance.
@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
If Akira proves to be better then away he goes - and we still have Shannon in our pocket in case of injuries.
If he doesn't - then back we go to Shannon until we get an opening for Robinson, Grace or Papalií to get their chance.Works for me.
If the coaching team could do these "trials" one at a time instead of changes across the park we might be able to judge the success of each one when surrounded by the same players.
Outrageous idea I know.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
If Akira proves to be better then away he goes - and we still have Shannon in our pocket in case of injuries.
If he doesn't - then back we go to Shannon until we get an opening for Robinson, Grace or Papalií to get their chance.Works for me.
If the coaching team could do these "trials" one at a time instead of changes across the park we might be able to judge the success of each one when surrounded by the same players.
Outrageous idea I know.
@Snowy I guess it's a bit challenging when we've got 15 positions and maybe only half a dozen are close to locked down.
Have we got even one position at present where everyone can agree on the number 1 selection?
Maybe Joe Moody? Sam Whitelock?
Aaron Smith!!!
There had to be one!
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@Snowy I guess it's a bit challenging when we've got 15 positions and maybe only half a dozen are close to locked down.
Have we got even one position at present where everyone can agree on the number 1 selection?
Maybe Joe Moody? Sam Whitelock?
Aaron Smith!!!
There had to be one!
@Chris-B right now, I reckon Coles, Whitelock, Smith, ALB, BB (where he plays is the issue) and I think you could even lock Clarke in...Cane is an auto selection due to captaincy, if he is the right 7 or provides the best balance, well, there are arguments there
But, the key is, how many of those players are also the best in the world in the position they play, and that is where it gets tricky, I'd say only Smith comes into the conversation then.
1 truly world class player in our 1st 15...
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@Chris-B right now, I reckon Coles, Whitelock, Smith, ALB, BB (where he plays is the issue) and I think you could even lock Clarke in...Cane is an auto selection due to captaincy, if he is the right 7 or provides the best balance, well, there are arguments there
But, the key is, how many of those players are also the best in the world in the position they play, and that is where it gets tricky, I'd say only Smith comes into the conversation then.
1 truly world class player in our 1st 15...
@taniwharugby On form, maybe Coles, but Taylor has regularly been preferred.
Probably Whitelock - it's hard to see how he's not one of our two best locks.
Yes - Smith. you'd have to be a bit of a knucklehead to choose someone else.
ALB - probably at 2nd five, but I prefer Goodhue at centre. Fozzie and I are in disagreement - he of course is an AB coach and I am just a minor social media influencer...
Beaudy at fullback - you won't get much argument from me, but there might be some Jordie fans who disagree. At first five, in my view there's not a lot between him and Richie....seemingly the AB coach agrees with me, but I'm expecting some incoming from several other minor social media influencers.
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@Chris-B right now, I reckon Coles, Whitelock, Smith, ALB, BB (where he plays is the issue) and I think you could even lock Clarke in...Cane is an auto selection due to captaincy, if he is the right 7 or provides the best balance, well, there are arguments there
But, the key is, how many of those players are also the best in the world in the position they play, and that is where it gets tricky, I'd say only Smith comes into the conversation then.
1 truly world class player in our 1st 15...
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
But, the key is, how many of those players are also the best in the world in the position they play, >
Always the most accurate way of roughly assessing overall national team foundation strength I’ve found... opposition or your own team -
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Wholesale changes for B4, then again for Argie 1, are we in for a raft of changes again?
We need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater by making a complete raft of changes.
But, bringing in e.g. Laulala for Lomax and even (to an extent) Barrett for Tuipolotu is bringing additional experience.
Which, in my view, means we can afford a few rookies. I'm suggesting Akira, Sotutu and Jordan, but two out of three will be acceptable.
I'll be pissed if we get none.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Barrett for Tuipolotu is bringing additional experience.
Do we really need additional experience in walking to the sideline after yet another card?
@Nepia You'd hope that he's learned something from his experiences....
But, SB has probably played in more big matches than PT and for most of their careers seems to have been preferred. To be honest, at test level I think what he currently brings more than PT is confidence.
He plays like he belongs there.
