Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@mariner4life said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@mariner4life Also being serious, I agree with you. You may have seen me calling for Akira to play this weekend.
Frizell has been pretty good in a couple of his tests this year though, so I think we can bank that - and give Akira this weekend (and some additional chances in case he is poor) to see what he can do.
I'm also very keen to see Big Red Robinson get a chance next year.
agree, he's not substandard, and will do a decent job. he may even do better with a real #8...
but perfectly adequate is not the AB way.
of course, AI may prove to be a bust at the next level, and we go back to perfectly adequate.
Exactly.
If Akira proves to be better then away he goes - and we still have Shannon in our pocket in case of injuries.
If he doesn't - then back we go to Shannon until we get an opening for Robinson, Grace or Papalií to get their chance.
@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
If Akira proves to be better then away he goes - and we still have Shannon in our pocket in case of injuries.
If he doesn't - then back we go to Shannon until we get an opening for Robinson, Grace or Papalií to get their chance.Works for me.
If the coaching team could do these "trials" one at a time instead of changes across the park we might be able to judge the success of each one when surrounded by the same players.
Outrageous idea I know.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
If Akira proves to be better then away he goes - and we still have Shannon in our pocket in case of injuries.
If he doesn't - then back we go to Shannon until we get an opening for Robinson, Grace or Papalií to get their chance.Works for me.
If the coaching team could do these "trials" one at a time instead of changes across the park we might be able to judge the success of each one when surrounded by the same players.
Outrageous idea I know.
@Snowy I guess it's a bit challenging when we've got 15 positions and maybe only half a dozen are close to locked down.
Have we got even one position at present where everyone can agree on the number 1 selection?
Maybe Joe Moody? Sam Whitelock?
Aaron Smith!!!
There had to be one!
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@Snowy I guess it's a bit challenging when we've got 15 positions and maybe only half a dozen are close to locked down.
Have we got even one position at present where everyone can agree on the number 1 selection?
Maybe Joe Moody? Sam Whitelock?
Aaron Smith!!!
There had to be one!
@Chris-B right now, I reckon Coles, Whitelock, Smith, ALB, BB (where he plays is the issue) and I think you could even lock Clarke in...Cane is an auto selection due to captaincy, if he is the right 7 or provides the best balance, well, there are arguments there
But, the key is, how many of those players are also the best in the world in the position they play, and that is where it gets tricky, I'd say only Smith comes into the conversation then.
1 truly world class player in our 1st 15...
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@Chris-B right now, I reckon Coles, Whitelock, Smith, ALB, BB (where he plays is the issue) and I think you could even lock Clarke in...Cane is an auto selection due to captaincy, if he is the right 7 or provides the best balance, well, there are arguments there
But, the key is, how many of those players are also the best in the world in the position they play, and that is where it gets tricky, I'd say only Smith comes into the conversation then.
1 truly world class player in our 1st 15...
@taniwharugby On form, maybe Coles, but Taylor has regularly been preferred.
Probably Whitelock - it's hard to see how he's not one of our two best locks.
Yes - Smith. you'd have to be a bit of a knucklehead to choose someone else.
ALB - probably at 2nd five, but I prefer Goodhue at centre. Fozzie and I are in disagreement - he of course is an AB coach and I am just a minor social media influencer...
Beaudy at fullback - you won't get much argument from me, but there might be some Jordie fans who disagree. At first five, in my view there's not a lot between him and Richie....seemingly the AB coach agrees with me, but I'm expecting some incoming from several other minor social media influencers.
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@Chris-B right now, I reckon Coles, Whitelock, Smith, ALB, BB (where he plays is the issue) and I think you could even lock Clarke in...Cane is an auto selection due to captaincy, if he is the right 7 or provides the best balance, well, there are arguments there
But, the key is, how many of those players are also the best in the world in the position they play, and that is where it gets tricky, I'd say only Smith comes into the conversation then.
1 truly world class player in our 1st 15...
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
But, the key is, how many of those players are also the best in the world in the position they play, >
Always the most accurate way of roughly assessing overall national team foundation strength I’ve found... opposition or your own team -
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Wholesale changes for B4, then again for Argie 1, are we in for a raft of changes again?
We need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater by making a complete raft of changes.
But, bringing in e.g. Laulala for Lomax and even (to an extent) Barrett for Tuipolotu is bringing additional experience.
Which, in my view, means we can afford a few rookies. I'm suggesting Akira, Sotutu and Jordan, but two out of three will be acceptable.
I'll be pissed if we get none.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Barrett for Tuipolotu is bringing additional experience.
Do we really need additional experience in walking to the sideline after yet another card?
@Nepia You'd hope that he's learned something from his experiences....
But, SB has probably played in more big matches than PT and for most of their careers seems to have been preferred. To be honest, at test level I think what he currently brings more than PT is confidence.
He plays like he belongs there.
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@Nepia You'd hope that he's learned something from his experiences....
But, SB has probably played in more big matches than PT and for most of their careers seems to have been preferred. To be honest, at test level I think what he currently brings more than PT is confidence.
He plays like he belongs there.
@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia You'd hope that he's learned something from his experiences....
But, SB has probably played in more big matches than PT and for most of their careers seems to have been preferred. To be honest, at test level I think what he currently brings more than PT is confidence.
He plays like he belongs there.
Well clearly he hasn't.
He hasn't had a huge test match in a while though, unless you mean by his last-name birthright.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia You'd hope that he's learned something from his experiences....
But, SB has probably played in more big matches than PT and for most of their careers seems to have been preferred. To be honest, at test level I think what he currently brings more than PT is confidence.
He plays like he belongs there.
Well clearly he hasn't.
He hasn't had a huge test match in a while though, unless you mean by his last-name birthright.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia You'd hope that he's learned something from his experiences....
But, SB has probably played in more big matches than PT and for most of their careers seems to have been preferred. To be honest, at test level I think what he currently brings more than PT is confidence.
He plays like he belongs there.
Well clearly he hasn't.
He hasn't had a huge test match in a while though, unless you mean by his last-name birthright.
@Nepia He might be a bit slow and need a week or two of remedial classes.
But, he doesn't look like someone who's playing within himself. Even that dumb slap was him trying to make a difference.
From what i can see, Patty T. simply hasn't unleashed himself.
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TBF they were v Aus, has he had cards against anyone else?
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
TBF they were v Aus, has he had cards against anyone else?
So you reckon it's selective idiocy?
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
TBF they were v Aus, has he had cards against anyone else?
So you reckon it's selective idiocy?
@Nepia CSY makes is his red rag?
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@Nepia He might be a bit slow and need a week or two of remedial classes.
But, he doesn't look like someone who's playing within himself. Even that dumb slap was him trying to make a difference.
From what i can see, Patty T. simply hasn't unleashed himself.
@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia He might be a bit slow and need a week or two of remedial classes.
But, he doesn't look like someone who's playing within himself. Even that dumb slap was him trying to make a difference.
From what i can see, Patty T. simply hasn't unleashed himself.
Hahaha, I love the way the Barrett bros idiocy gets minimised on the Fern. :face_with_tears_of_joy:
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@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia He might be a bit slow and need a week or two of remedial classes.
But, he doesn't look like someone who's playing within himself. Even that dumb slap was him trying to make a difference.
From what i can see, Patty T. simply hasn't unleashed himself.
Hahaha, I love the way the Barrett bros idiocy gets minimised on the Fern. :face_with_tears_of_joy:
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@Nepia Mock away - but, you need to explain why Patty has failed to translate his Super form to Test rugby.
Barrett has at least had some good tests - I can't really recall Patty having a signature one.
@Chris-B he did have one where he was outstanding didnt he, although was that off the bench?
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@Chris-B he did have one where he was outstanding didnt he, although was that off the bench?
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@taniwharugby No use asking me - I've got a completely shit memory for what happened in most tests!
I've just banked a lot of observations of him not making much impact.
@Chris-B I think he had a few handy ones off the bench, then one outstanding one, but agree he has struggled to impose himself this year, which is disappointing as he looked like he was ready to explode into INternational rugby after a stellar super rugby campaign and no Brodie to block his way.
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@Chris-B I think he had a few handy ones off the bench, then one outstanding one, but agree he has struggled to impose himself this year, which is disappointing as he looked like he was ready to explode into INternational rugby after a stellar super rugby campaign and no Brodie to block his way.
@taniwharugby yeah, a feature of Tuipulotu off the bench is how often he comes on and steals the first lineout, that's my predominant memory.
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@taniwharugby yeah, a feature of Tuipulotu off the bench is how often he comes on and steals the first lineout, that's my predominant memory.
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@taniwharugby yeah, a feature of Tuipulotu off the bench is how often he comes on and steals the first lineout, that's my predominant memory.
What was apparent was that when ABs started throwing to Savea the lineout worked better. Sam is top class, of course, but Patty is marginal at test level. Sotutu is good test option.
