NBA Season - now 24/25
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How much of a fluffybunny do you have to be that a team would take Westbrick and that contract over you?
@mariner4life the only saving grace is that Nets will only deal with the Lakers if they get more than Russ. Not a great look for Russ.
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@mariner4life the only saving grace is that Nets will only deal with the Lakers if they get more than Russ. Not a great look for Russ.
That's a fucked up contract though, like 47 milion or something.
What would it take for the Nets to take on Westbrick and still be a contender? Move Simmons or keep him? Other pieces?
One thing about Russ, is that as the man and by himself he would probably show up everyday, and with the right pieces they could be dangerous, so they could conceivably finish about the same and have a team of players who are turning up everyday and working hard, which ownership might care about as they try to save face.
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I don’t mind Russ. He can’t shoot to save his life but if he can regain some of that form he showed in the second half of that season with Washington, where he and Beal were pretty dangerous together - a big if after this Lakers nightmare - then he can be an excellent piece for a team that already has an established star and scorer.
47 big ones is a massive dent in anyones cap, but the Nets could offload Kyrie and Joe Harris to make room.
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I read that in games without LeBron last season, Russ averaged 22/8/8 on 55% true shooting. That's not bad at all, but he just stunk up the gym as part of the main unit. It's not worth $47m either, but if the Nets have to ditch an unreliable Kyrie then it kind of works.
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I read that in games without LeBron last season, Russ averaged 22/8/8 on 55% true shooting. That's not bad at all, but he just stunk up the gym as part of the main unit. It's not worth $47m either, but if the Nets have to ditch an unreliable Kyrie then it kind of works.
@TeWaio said in NBA Season - now 21/22:
I read that in games without LeBron last season, Russ averaged 22/8/8 on 55% true shooting. That's not bad at all, but he just stunk up the gym as part of the main unit. It's not worth $47m either, but if the Nets have to ditch an unreliable Kyrie then it kind of works.
His contract expires at the end of next year so they would get all that cap space too.. Russ and a bunch of role pieces, draft picks and a budding superstar from the KD trade and they will at least be competitive
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Could the Nets trade to get Russ and a championship side? What would be the other pieces?
It would be fucking hilarious if they traded Durant and then won with Russ (I know its a dream).
@gt12 said in NBA Season - now 21/22:
Could the Nets trade to get Russ and a championship side? What would be the other pieces?
It would be fucking hilarious if they traded Durant and then won with Russ (I know its a dream).
Not going to happen. The best they can hope for is to try to hasten the rebuild/reload
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So in my Aussie NBA watch - Jock Landale who traded from the Spurs to the Hawks in the Dejonte Murray trade has now been traded by the Hawks to the Suns.
Just spitballin’ but could Landale be one of several pieces in a KD trade that lands KD at the Suns and Landale in Brooklyn along with fellow Aussies Ben Simmons and Patty Mills. The Brooklyn Boomers
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Landale was better than the minutes he got would suggest
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Mitchell to the Cavs
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Found this image on another forum. Found it a very interesting take on the "analytics" era
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Found this image on another forum. Found it a very interesting take on the "analytics" era
@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 21/22:
Found this image on another forum. Found it a very interesting take on the "analytics" era
Awesome image
Be interesting to see the same graphic for the playoffs. You'd expect similar, but maybe not as pronounced as defences force more mid-range stuff
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@voodoo said in NBA Season - now 21/22:
Also, not NBA, but a funny shot nonetheless (they unsurprisingly lost by 100 points)
I tried clicking on the image a few times trying to get the video to play so I could watch the 'shot'. Then the penny dropped...
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Found this image on another forum. Found it a very interesting take on the "analytics" era
@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 21/22:
Found this image on another forum. Found it a very interesting take on the "analytics" era
Definitely shows that the game was less 'manufactured' back then with the variety of shot locations. The top 10 scorers in 01-02 were Iverson, Shaq, Paul Pierce, T-Mac, TD, Kobe, VC, Dirk, Mailman and the Glove - only Paul Pierce and VC attempted more than 5 3's per game. But both of them plus Dirk, Mailman, TD, Kobe and T-Mac all loved the post up mid range game, particularly baseline. MJ was still in the league in 01-02 jacking up 20+ shots a game too and pretty much all of those were mid range post ups.
What's interesting is the shot increase between the dotted circle and the foul line - another Steph Curry influence of what is essentially now a mid range floater.
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 21/22:
Found this image on another forum. Found it a very interesting take on the "analytics" era
Definitely shows that the game was less 'manufactured' back then with the variety of shot locations. The top 10 scorers in 01-02 were Iverson, Shaq, Paul Pierce, T-Mac, TD, Kobe, VC, Dirk, Mailman and the Glove - only Paul Pierce and VC attempted more than 5 3's per game. But both of them plus Dirk, Mailman, TD, Kobe and T-Mac all loved the post up mid range game, particularly baseline. MJ was still in the league in 01-02 jacking up 20+ shots a game too and pretty much all of those were mid range post ups.
What's interesting is the shot increase between the dotted circle and the foul line - another Steph Curry influence of what is essentially now a mid range floater.
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season - now 22/23:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 21/22:
Found this image on another forum. Found it a very interesting take on the "analytics" era
Definitely shows that the game was less 'manufactured' back then with the variety of shot locations. The top 10 scorers in 01-02 were Iverson, Shaq, Paul Pierce, T-Mac, TD, Kobe, VC, Dirk, Mailman and the Glove - only Paul Pierce and VC attempted more than 5 3's per game. But both of them plus Dirk, Mailman, TD, Kobe and T-Mac all loved the post up mid range game, particularly baseline. MJ was still in the league in 01-02 jacking up 20+ shots a game too and pretty much all of those were mid range post ups.
What's interesting is the shot increase between the dotted circle and the foul line - another Steph Curry influence of what is essentially now a mid range floater.
It's funny how the younger gen have such recency bias. Maybe our gen does too for the guys we saw.
But I have zero doubt that MJ would average 40ppg in today's game. The pace, the no hand checks, the prioritising of the 3. He was a good shooter , he averaged 33% for 3 in a league where it wasn't an advised shot to take. Imagine he had license to shoot 8-10pg, I'm sure he'd average 37%+, and the flow-on effect to opening up the lane for him would be amazing. All those low% low post fadeaways from 15 feet would largely disappear.
Guys like T-Mac, Dirk, even Kobe, would all double their 3pta too.
The guy I wonder about is Bird. Can you imagine him in today's game? He could play the way Luka plays, jacking 12 x 3's pg, facilitating the offence. His body would have held up so much better too without him banging away inside. He would still average 10 rebounds, and could easily have been a consistent 30/10/10 guy in his prime on c. 45/40/90 shooting.
To your Steph point on the high FT shot, I'd also credit CP3 for that. His little herky jerky move before he stops and pops has been a signature.
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@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season - now 22/23:
@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 21/22:
Found this image on another forum. Found it a very interesting take on the "analytics" era
Definitely shows that the game was less 'manufactured' back then with the variety of shot locations. The top 10 scorers in 01-02 were Iverson, Shaq, Paul Pierce, T-Mac, TD, Kobe, VC, Dirk, Mailman and the Glove - only Paul Pierce and VC attempted more than 5 3's per game. But both of them plus Dirk, Mailman, TD, Kobe and T-Mac all loved the post up mid range game, particularly baseline. MJ was still in the league in 01-02 jacking up 20+ shots a game too and pretty much all of those were mid range post ups.
What's interesting is the shot increase between the dotted circle and the foul line - another Steph Curry influence of what is essentially now a mid range floater.
It's funny how the younger gen have such recency bias. Maybe our gen does too for the guys we saw.
But I have zero doubt that MJ would average 40ppg in today's game. The pace, the no hand checks, the prioritising of the 3. He was a good shooter , he averaged 33% for 3 in a league where it wasn't an advised shot to take. Imagine he had license to shoot 8-10pg, I'm sure he'd average 37%+, and the flow-on effect to opening up the lane for him would be amazing. All those low% low post fadeaways from 15 feet would largely disappear.
Guys like T-Mac, Dirk, even Kobe, would all double their 3pta too.
The guy I wonder about is Bird. Can you imagine him in today's game? He could play the way Luka plays, jacking 12 x 3's pg, facilitating the offence. His body would have held up so much better too without him banging away inside. He would still average 10 rebounds, and could easily have been a consistent 30/10/10 guy in his prime on c. 45/40/90 shooting.
To your Steph point on the high FT shot, I'd also credit CP3 for that. His little herky jerky move before he stops and pops has been a signature.
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@voodoo the post up game was an actual physical contest. Lots of body checking, grabbing and chicken wings.
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA Season - now 22/23:
@voodoo the post up game was an actual physical contest. Lots of body checking, grabbing and chicken wings.
Yeah, it was brutal back then. No wonder Karl Malone developed that 18ft baseline jumper....
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The players are flexing their muscle to pressure the owners to get rid of Sarver. He won't be missed
@canefan maybe this is a controversial view, but do we really think he should be banned for life, completely cancelled? I don't have access to all the detail of the accusations, and I don't want to diminish his actions, but he doesn't seem to be in the same league as Sterling. $10m and a 1yr ban isn't nothing!
