Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November
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@mariner4life please, please listen to the Kearns and Clark exchange post game.
What I saw in the back was a free for all. It’s not attacking or reacting. It’s pass or kick and hope. I don’t think we played any better in the backs than the last game..
Mo’unga does not control the game. Im not sure he reacts either. There’s no territorial play. He seems to be crashing the ball more and more and we need him distributing. He wasn’t horrible but by this stage he should have cemented his position and he hasn’t.
BB is either 10 or he’s not. Right now he just floats and adds, well, not enough. It comes down to this, we either persevere with one or the other, like we used to and someone is disappointed for not being selected. Or we continue to field the odd specialist and the rest of the back line are utilities. That’s not a viable way forward.
Speaking of utilities, Jordie doesn’t work on the wing. I’d rather have a specialist and try him at the back or as utility cover. He’s a very good player being misused.
Caleb Clarke and Reiko Ioane(not so much last night for the latter but in general) do not appear to be getting any coaching at all. They only have eyes for the ball. They mostly don’t look for support and die with the ball a lot. Reiko is supposed to be this kid with jet engines and I can not remember him taking an outside break any many games.
Forwards we’re like a viagra pill and had me barred up... Energised, powerful, cohesive and dominant. Props to the props. They were outstanding. The young fella in 6 looks like he’s ready to live up to the potential we saw 3 or 4 years ago.
I think Cane is close to being done. The head and neck injuries are mounting up. I think his body will give up the ghost. He tackles like a demon. I’m not debating that. But I can see little things about his game now that look like a tired and beaten player and I don’t think Cane lasts much more than next season.
It was a very good win on the scoreboard. But let’s not act like that was the same team that beat us 2 weeks ago. They gave us the B team. That’s right. Someone did to us what we do to everyone(Except we usually win then too). But I my opinion I saw plenty more to worry about than to crow about.
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@raznomore said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
But I my opinion I saw plenty more to worry about than to crow about.
Haven't really seen or heard any crowing to be honest, and agree with you.
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TJP is a fucking mouthy cock who is wish would fuck entirely off.
@mariner4life your wish is granted
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@Tim said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Blowing the kick wide to J Barrett, when 7 - 0 up, was so frustrating.
It wasn't "blowing" the kick that was frustrating, it was that we fucking attempted it! We had an overlap and hands would have gotten us there, but nooooo, fucking Jordie was right up flat demanding it and his brother bloody well obliged.
Save that shit for your fucking backyard you stupid cnts
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The shit that Argentina are allowed to get away with is disgraceful.
Perhaps if the ref's did something about it there would be less "pushing"
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Good result. Crushed their ability to win the game in the first half. Forwards dominated. Discipline was good. Set piece was seriously strong.
The rest is very average.
Richie M seems like another in a long line of super rugby studs, test match duds.
We have a weapon on a wing with no ability to create space for him. The other wing is a non entity. BBarrett has been average at the back. The midfield is creating nothing.Lots of looking for contact, or post contact metres, very little guile to play off it.
All in all I reckon the Eden park performance was good, the rest can go to the bin.
Unfortunately I don't see how there is any change next year. The same shit will be on display because the brains trust can point to a couple of big wins and all the trophies on offer.
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Good result. Crushed their ability to win the game in the first half. Forwards dominated. Discipline was good. Set piece was seriously strong.
The rest is very average.
Richie M seems like another in a long line of super rugby studs, test match duds.
We have a weapon on a wing with no ability to create space for him. The other wing is a non entity. BBarrett has been average at the back. The midfield is creating nothing.Lots of looking for contact, or post contact metres, very little guile to play off it.
All in all I reckon the Eden park performance was good, the rest can go to the bin.
Unfortunately I don't see how there is any change next year. The same shit will be on display because the brains trust can point to a couple of big wins and all the trophies on offer.
@mariner4life dunno, I think (hope) in terms of personell Foz went with the tried and true, next year I'm hoping we will see him put more of his own stamp on things (given his contract expires end of next year) with next season to determine if he takes us to the RWC or not.
Gameplan i think there are glimpses of them changing things, but not sure there us enough here to get us to the head of the class again for him to take us into 2023.
2021 we need to be out and out the best team on the planet for Foz to get an extension.
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I genuinely feel Dmac is our best 10 potentially..even though I feel that experiment doesnt seem anywhere near currently..
BB has been out of form since 2017, Mounga hasn't been bad but I just think Dmac offers a higher ceiling. Hopefully he gets a full season at 10 for the Chiefs.
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I genuinely feel Dmac is our best 10 potentially..even though I feel that experiment doesnt seem anywhere near currently..
BB has been out of form since 2017, Mounga hasn't been bad but I just think Dmac offers a higher ceiling. Hopefully he gets a full season at 10 for the Chiefs.
@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I genuinely feel Dmac is our best 10 potentially..even though I feel that experiment doesnt seem anywhere near currently..
BB has been out of form since 2017, Mounga hasn't been bad but I just think Dmac offers a higher ceiling. Hopefully he gets a full season at 10 for the Chiefs.
Good God man, get outta here with that shit!!!
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Two intercepts are making us look waaay better than we actually are
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Two intercepts are making us look waaay better than we actually are
Can't say I 100% agree.
If our finishing was better we'd have been 17-20 up at the break, not 10, and at least 38, if not more, in front at the end.
The intercepts were the fruits of the ground work earlier in the game.
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@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I genuinely feel Dmac is our best 10 potentially..even though I feel that experiment doesnt seem anywhere near currently..
BB has been out of form since 2017, Mounga hasn't been bad but I just think Dmac offers a higher ceiling. Hopefully he gets a full season at 10 for the Chiefs.
Good God man, get outta here with that shit!!!
@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
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@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Two intercepts are making us look waaay better than we actually are
Can't say I 100% agree.
If our finishing was better we'd have been 17-20 up at the break, not 10, and at least 38, if not more, in front at the end.
The intercepts were the fruits of the ground work earlier in the game.
@booboo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The intercepts were the fruits of the ground work earlier in the game.
This. We smashed them early, turned them around with kicks, broke up the defence and were in a position to take advantage with a very talented speedster later in the game. A bit lucky maybe, but it worked.
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Does no one remember this game?
Beaudens out of form, Mounga hasn't proven to be as effective as predicted. I'd like to see Dmac at 10 happen, only had the one start but was brilliant.
Don't forget he doesnt exactly get EXQUISITE service at the Chiefs year in year out.
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Does no one remember this game?
Beaudens out of form, Mounga hasn't proven to be as effective as predicted. I'd like to see Dmac at 10 happen, only had the one start but was brilliant.
Don't forget he doesnt exactly get EXQUISITE service at the Chiefs year in year out.
@kpkanz DMac was great in that game.
However, France weren't interested at all in that 3rd game and seemed to have mentally left to go back home already. His match that day has a lot in common with RM game against the Wallabies in Sydney this year. Where for whatever reason the Wallabies just didn't turn up and RM put them to the sword.
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@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
I've had zero starts at 10 for the AB's , I dont need any more to know i shouldn't be playing there...
Look, I think he's probably a great guy. But I've just seen zilch that tells me he has the on-field temperament ro play 10 in a big game for us. He still puts his team under pressure with his sideways running, and I don't think he has the kicking game from hand nor the physique for 80mins at 10.
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Does no one remember this game?
Beaudens out of form, Mounga hasn't proven to be as effective as predicted. I'd like to see Dmac at 10 happen, only had the one start but was brilliant.
Don't forget he doesnt exactly get EXQUISITE service at the Chiefs year in year out.
