Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November
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@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Two intercepts are making us look waaay better than we actually are
Can't say I 100% agree.
If our finishing was better we'd have been 17-20 up at the break, not 10, and at least 38, if not more, in front at the end.
The intercepts were the fruits of the ground work earlier in the game.
@booboo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The intercepts were the fruits of the ground work earlier in the game.
This. We smashed them early, turned them around with kicks, broke up the defence and were in a position to take advantage with a very talented speedster later in the game. A bit lucky maybe, but it worked.
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Does no one remember this game?
Beaudens out of form, Mounga hasn't proven to be as effective as predicted. I'd like to see Dmac at 10 happen, only had the one start but was brilliant.
Don't forget he doesnt exactly get EXQUISITE service at the Chiefs year in year out.
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Does no one remember this game?
Beaudens out of form, Mounga hasn't proven to be as effective as predicted. I'd like to see Dmac at 10 happen, only had the one start but was brilliant.
Don't forget he doesnt exactly get EXQUISITE service at the Chiefs year in year out.
@kpkanz DMac was great in that game.
However, France weren't interested at all in that 3rd game and seemed to have mentally left to go back home already. His match that day has a lot in common with RM game against the Wallabies in Sydney this year. Where for whatever reason the Wallabies just didn't turn up and RM put them to the sword.
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@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
I've had zero starts at 10 for the AB's , I dont need any more to know i shouldn't be playing there...
Look, I think he's probably a great guy. But I've just seen zilch that tells me he has the on-field temperament ro play 10 in a big game for us. He still puts his team under pressure with his sideways running, and I don't think he has the kicking game from hand nor the physique for 80mins at 10.
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Does no one remember this game?
Beaudens out of form, Mounga hasn't proven to be as effective as predicted. I'd like to see Dmac at 10 happen, only had the one start but was brilliant.
Don't forget he doesnt exactly get EXQUISITE service at the Chiefs year in year out.
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@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
I've had zero starts at 10 for the AB's , I dont need any more to know i shouldn't be playing there...
Look, I think he's probably a great guy. But I've just seen zilch that tells me he has the on-field temperament ro play 10 in a big game for us. He still puts his team under pressure with his sideways running, and I don't think he has the kicking game from hand nor the physique for 80mins at 10.
@voodoo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
I've had zero starts at 10 for the AB's , I dont need any more to know i shouldn't be playing there...
Look, I think he's probably a great guy. But I've just seen zilch that tells me he has the on-field temperament ro play 10 in a big game for us. He still puts his team under pressure with his sideways running, and I don't think he has the kicking game from hand nor the physique for 80mins at 10.
I honestly thought you were describing Richie M there
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@Donsteppa said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@booboo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Donsteppa said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Coles on the wing early, what were the odds.
@Yeetyaah said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Get off the wing and do your job Coles.
It is his job
I’d have to rewatch a few games to double check, but my impression is that it isn’t Taylor’s job to the same degree.
That defenders of Coles often cite Fitzy from 25 years ago is instructive...
Wasn't so much your comment but as I've gone through the thread I'm amazed at how many seem to think he's just rocking his own tactics.
At the risk of sparking another dull anti Foster rant, he's doing exactly what the coach is asking him too.
Good point re Taylor though. May be he's not as good at it? Or has different strengths so the tactics change to suit? Or another forward takes on that role?
@booboo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Good point re Taylor though. May be he's not as good at it? Or has different strengths so the tactics change to suit? Or another forward takes on that role?
Taylor has been employed on the wing, as is common for most hookers nowadays, especially after a lineout.
An example was in the 1st test against the Lions when Taylor scored on the right wing. I had a great view of that try from my seat. I don't think he is used there as often as Coles though.
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@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
I've had zero starts at 10 for the AB's , I dont need any more to know i shouldn't be playing there...
Look, I think he's probably a great guy. But I've just seen zilch that tells me he has the on-field temperament ro play 10 in a big game for us. He still puts his team under pressure with his sideways running, and I don't think he has the kicking game from hand nor the physique for 80mins at 10.
@voodoo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
I've had zero starts at 10 for the AB's , I dont need any more to know i shouldn't be playing there...
Look, I think he's probably a great guy. But I've just seen zilch that tells me he has the on-field temperament ro play 10 in a big game for us. He still puts his team under pressure with his sideways running, and I don't think he has the kicking game from hand nor the physique for 80mins at 10.
I'm not advocating for him as a 10 but FFS his sideways running gets blown out of proportion.
He's had a much better run in tests (pre his injury) in form, than Jordie ever as - in the comparison of flighty fullbacks.
But, this new poster's fluffing of DMac is so over the top even I'm questioning my support of DMac.
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Dmac at 10 scares the bejesus out of me. But he'd have more go forward (or at least scalded crab go sideways) than Richie. But there is more to 10 than running. He'd at least be a good goal kicker I suppose.
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@gt12 just watching game now (2nd half just started) thought he did exactly what was required in the 1st half, carried a few times, passed 4 or so other times, is often first or 2nd to breakdown, makes his tackles, I think he is doing exactly what is asked of him.
Is amusing watching the game after reading comments that's for sure. Its like some people have comments ready to post on certain players no matter what.
@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@gt12 just watching game now (2nd half just started) thought he did exactly what was required in the 1st half, carried a few times, passed 4 or so other times, is often first or 2nd to breakdown, makes his tackles, I think he is doing exactly what is asked of him.
Is amusing watching the game after reading comments that's for sure. Its like some people have comments ready to post on certain players no matter what
The Fern way.
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@kpkanz I’m sorry mate but I’m not sure playing another player out of position is the way forward.
@raznomore well he played first five up until his first Chiefs season where he was put at fullback to accomodate for Cruden at 10.
He also played at 10 the entire season for the Chiefs 2018 where he got them to the playoffs missing out on a semifinal spot losing to the Canes away by a point.
Even he himself has stated his preferred position is 10. This isnt a Jordie situation where we're just chucking him somewhere with no track record.Fact is, BB and Mounga havent exactly lit the world alight this year. Dmac is one of our more talented players, would be disappointing to see players not utilised fully.
Id rather we try with talented younger players than award caps to seniors who dont seem to have the same motivation as they did and are doubtful for the next world cup. (this is at BB specifically..) -
@gt12 just watching game now (2nd half just started) thought he did exactly what was required in the 1st half, carried a few times, passed 4 or so other times, is often first or 2nd to breakdown, makes his tackles, I think he is doing exactly what is asked of him.
Is amusing watching the game after reading comments that's for sure. Its like some people have comments ready to post on certain players no matter what.
@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@gt12 just watching game now (2nd half just started) thought he did exactly what was required in the 1st half, carried a few times, passed 4 or so other times, is often first or 2nd to breakdown, makes his tackles, I think he is doing exactly what is asked of him.
Is amusing watching the game after reading comments that's for sure. Its like some people have comments ready to post on certain players no matter what.
I haven't read through the whole thread, but I assumed there's never that much issue with how Savea plays, mostly it's around the balance of the loosies and his style of play?
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@kpkanz DMac was great in that game.
However, France weren't interested at all in that 3rd game and seemed to have mentally left to go back home already. His match that day has a lot in common with RM game against the Wallabies in Sydney this year. Where for whatever reason the Wallabies just didn't turn up and RM put them to the sword.
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@gt12 just watching game now (2nd half just started) thought he did exactly what was required in the 1st half, carried a few times, passed 4 or so other times, is often first or 2nd to breakdown, makes his tackles, I think he is doing exactly what is asked of him.
Is amusing watching the game after reading comments that's for sure. Its like some people have comments ready to post on certain players no matter what.
I haven't read through the whole thread, but I assumed there's never that much issue with how Savea plays, mostly it's around the balance of the loosies and his style of play?
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@raznomore well he played first five up until his first Chiefs season where he was put at fullback to accomodate for Cruden at 10.
He also played at 10 the entire season for the Chiefs 2018 where he got them to the playoffs missing out on a semifinal spot losing to the Canes away by a point.
Even he himself has stated his preferred position is 10. This isnt a Jordie situation where we're just chucking him somewhere with no track record.Fact is, BB and Mounga havent exactly lit the world alight this year. Dmac is one of our more talented players, would be disappointing to see players not utilised fully.
Id rather we try with talented younger players than award caps to seniors who dont seem to have the same motivation as they did and are doubtful for the next world cup. (this is at BB specifically..)@kpkanz the idea I’m pushing is using a player that plays 10 fulltime. Dmac doesn’t even play 10 at super level. The chiefs have had 10 woes and Dmac wasn’t seen as a long term of option there. He was replaced by his own brother at one stage. They had players that could slot into 15 to accomodate his staying at 10. Why do you think that didn’t happen?
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@voodoo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
I've had zero starts at 10 for the AB's , I dont need any more to know i shouldn't be playing there...
Look, I think he's probably a great guy. But I've just seen zilch that tells me he has the on-field temperament ro play 10 in a big game for us. He still puts his team under pressure with his sideways running, and I don't think he has the kicking game from hand nor the physique for 80mins at 10.
I honestly thought you were describing Richie M there
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@voodoo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
I've had zero starts at 10 for the AB's , I dont need any more to know i shouldn't be playing there...
Look, I think he's probably a great guy. But I've just seen zilch that tells me he has the on-field temperament ro play 10 in a big game for us. He still puts his team under pressure with his sideways running, and I don't think he has the kicking game from hand nor the physique for 80mins at 10.
I honestly thought you were describing Richie M there
You mean "best 10 in the world Richie"???!!!
But yeah, I hear you.
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@Nepia I was talking JG...having read the thread then watched the game, I was expecting a bit of a mare
@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia I was talking JG...having read the thread then watched the game, I was expecting a bit of a mare
My bad, I got confused! I blame the Sydney heat (and my poor reading and comprehension skills).
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia I was talking JG...having read the thread then watched the game, I was expecting a bit of a mare
My bad, I got confused! I blame the Sydney heat (and my poor reading and comprehension skills).
@Nepia think there was lots of quoting/replying confusion
