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Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November

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  • ARHSA ARHS

    @Victor-Meldrew I believe Jordie was put at 14 to give nz an offensive and defensive weapon for the aerial bombardment tactics of the type mastered by Finlay Christie last weekend.

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    @ARHS said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Victor-Meldrew I believe Jordie was put at 14 to give nz an offensive and defensive weapon for the aerial bombardment tactics of the type mastered by Finlay Christie last weekend.

    Understand the offensive bit, but we don't seem to have used it for some reason. The defensive bit makes sense if we're playing the Wobbles. But we're not.

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    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

      @gt12 I didn’t bother to mention Jordie because I was pretty certain that they would select him, so wasn’t even going to go there.

      I think Savea has played pretty well overall but thought they might spring a surprise and start Sotutu and use Ardie to close out the match.

      Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

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      @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

      Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

      Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

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        Bit of a conundrum discouraging the opposition from an aerial bombardment when you could play the likes of Reece and McKenzie to draw in more good ball for counter attacks which are typically our strength. Playing Jordie with his height and powerful boot shows intention for attacking in opposition territory and playing safer in your own. That is my interpretation from what has been said.

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          A good reason for playing Jordie at 14:

          We’re in our 22 and Argies fanning out and tackling well. Nuggie fires to Jordie and he boots it into stand.

          Play restarts with Pumas throwing in 5 metres in their own half.

          That is all.

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          • SnowyS Snowy

            @booboo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

            @Snowy @taniwharugby @MN5

            I am wondering who Al Black is...

            Otere's brother?

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            @Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

            @booboo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

            @Snowy @taniwharugby @MN5

            I am wondering who Al Black is...

            Otere's brother?

            Whilst that post is vaguely amusing how did you get 7 up votes and I got none ... 🥶

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            • P pakman

              A good reason for playing Jordie at 14:

              We’re in our 22 and Argies fanning out and tackling well. Nuggie fires to Jordie and he boots it into stand.

              Play restarts with Pumas throwing in 5 metres in their own half.

              That is all.

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              @pakman said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

              A good reason for playing Jordie at 14:

              We’re in our 22 and Argies fanning out and tackling well. Nuggie fires to Jordie and he boots it into stand.

              Play restarts with Pumas throwing in 5 metres in their own half.

              That is all.

              It's a double-bluff - Pumas expect Jordie to boot the ball into outer space and set themselves up accordingly. However, Foster - the wily old fox - has other plans: Nuggie to ignore Jordie in the pocket and instead fire a bullet pass out to Mou'unga who quickly shovels on a hospital pass to JG, who's stood flat-footed as he's smothered by the Argie backrow well behind the advantage line. Genius deception from Foster & Co.

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              • juniorJ junior

                @pakman said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                A good reason for playing Jordie at 14:

                We’re in our 22 and Argies fanning out and tackling well. Nuggie fires to Jordie and he boots it into stand.

                Play restarts with Pumas throwing in 5 metres in their own half.

                That is all.

                It's a double-bluff - Pumas expect Jordie to boot the ball into outer space and set themselves up accordingly. However, Foster - the wily old fox - has other plans: Nuggie to ignore Jordie in the pocket and instead fire a bullet pass out to Mou'unga who quickly shovels on a hospital pass to JG, who's stood flat-footed as he's smothered by the Argie backrow well behind the advantage line. Genius deception from Foster & Co.

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                @junior said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                It's a double-bluff - Pumas expect Jordie to boot the ball into outer space and set themselves up accordingly. However, Foster - the wily old fox - has other plans: Nuggie to ignore Jordie in the pocket and instead fire a bullet pass out to Mou'unga who quickly shovels on a hospital pass to JG, who's stood flat-footed as he's smothered by the Argie backrow well behind the advantage line. Genius deception from Foster & Co.

                Some called it keeping your powder dry.

                Oh how we laughed,

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                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                  @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                  Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

                  Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

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                  @mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                  @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                  Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

                  Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

                  French series in 2018. But his form in Black since has been up and down in my view. His best work has probably been as an impact player off the bench. He needs to step it up.

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                    NZ have the personnel and motivation to double single digit their detractors

                    NZ by 19-24

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                    • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                      NZ have the personnel and motivation to double single digit their detractors

                      NZ by 19-24

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                      @MiketheSnow said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                      NZ have the personnel and motivation to double single digit their detractors

                      Something about this sentence sounds rather rude and unsettling. Just can't put my finger on it.

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                        If they pull Akira early or put Sotutu on with less than 30 minutes to go I will blow my top as spectacularly as a double-jointed stripper strapped to gelignite on top of a tugboat.

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                        • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                          If they pull Akira early or put Sotutu on with less than 30 minutes to go I will blow my top as spectacularly as a double-jointed stripper strapped to gelignite on top of a tugboat.

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                          @nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                          If they pull Akira early or put Sotutu on with less than 30 minutes to go I will blow my top as spectacularly as a double-jointed stripper strapped to gelignite on top of a tugboat.

                          Deserves an upvote for that alone.

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                          • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                            If they pull Akira early or put Sotutu on with less than 30 minutes to go I will blow my top as spectacularly as a double-jointed stripper strapped to gelignite on top of a tugboat.

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                            @nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                            If they pull Akira early or put Sotutu on with less than 30 minutes to go I will blow my top as spectacularly as a double-jointed stripper strapped to gelignite on top of a tugboat.

                            So ahhh....got a cost estimate on that?

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                            • BonesB Bones

                              @nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                              If they pull Akira early or put Sotutu on with less than 30 minutes to go I will blow my top as spectacularly as a double-jointed stripper strapped to gelignite on top of a tugboat.

                              So ahhh....got a cost estimate on that?

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                              @Bones for obvious reasons I won't be there to cost the cleanup.
                              And I did say as spectacularly as, but not, necessarily, as fetching ...

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                              • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                @Bones for obvious reasons I won't be there to cost the cleanup.
                                And I did say as spectacularly as, but not, necessarily, as fetching ...

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                                @nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                @Bones for obvious reasons I won't be there to cost the cleanup.
                                And I did say as spectacularly as, but not, necessarily, as fetching ...

                                First I've heard someone nickname it "tugboat". Good on ya mate

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                                • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                  @mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                  @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                  Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

                                  Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

                                  French series in 2018. But his form in Black since has been up and down in my view. His best work has probably been as an impact player off the bench. He needs to step it up.

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                                  @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                  @mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                  @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                  Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

                                  Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

                                  French series in 2018. But his form in Black since has been up and down in my view. His best work has probably been as an impact player off the bench. He needs to step it up.

                                  Also against the boks that year

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                                  • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                    @mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                    Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

                                    Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

                                    French series in 2018. But his form in Black since has been up and down in my view. His best work has probably been as an impact player off the bench. He needs to step it up.

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                                    @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                    @mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                    Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

                                    Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

                                    French series in 2018. But his form in Black since has been up and down in my view. His best work has probably been as an impact player off the bench.

                                    Like in Albany in 2017 against the Boks. Ironically, at blindside when he replaced Squire. A long time ago...

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                                      All this focus on walking away from niggle brings back scary memories.
                                      ABs: “hello Mr Froggie, we will just smile and walk away”
                                      France: “you just keep walking. The airport is over there”

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                                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                        @mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                        Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

                                        Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

                                        French series in 2018. But his form in Black since has been up and down in my view. His best work has probably been as an impact player off the bench.

                                        Like in Albany in 2017 against the Boks. Ironically, at blindside when he replaced Squire. A long time ago...

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                                        @Bovidae said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                        @mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                        Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

                                        Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

                                        French series in 2018. But his form in Black since has been up and down in my view. His best work has probably been as an impact player off the bench.

                                        Like in Albany in 2017 against the Boks. Ironically, at blindside when he replaced Squire. A long time ago...

                                        There's a reason Boks sacked their coach in early 2018.

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                                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                          @Bovidae said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                          @mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                          Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

                                          Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

                                          French series in 2018. But his form in Black since has been up and down in my view. His best work has probably been as an impact player off the bench.

                                          Like in Albany in 2017 against the Boks. Ironically, at blindside when he replaced Squire. A long time ago...

                                          There's a reason Boks sacked their coach in early 2018.

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                                          @KiwiMurph said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                          @Bovidae said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                          @mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

                                          Scott Barrett is due a big match I reckon.

                                          Has he ever actually had one? He must be massively overdue

                                          French series in 2018. But his form in Black since has been up and down in my view. His best work has probably been as an impact player off the bench.

                                          Like in Albany in 2017 against the Boks. Ironically, at blindside when he replaced Squire. A long time ago...

                                          There's a reason Boks sacked their coach in early 2018.

                                          eh, he had some bad losses and was a political appointment. No way does NZR ever go down that rabbit hole.
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                                          Oh.

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