Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November
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@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Machpants said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Argentina made 10 changes to their team from the team that played aus . Confidence must be high with them and strength in depth
Or they’re knackered and got lotsa niggles and realise they can’t play the same team 3 weekends in a row after no rugby for months - they’re also aiming to beat Oz next game, that’ll be their A line up
Beat the all blacks and they looking good to win the rugby championship so this should be the must win game
Next week seems to be the game they are targeting against Oz with a rested front line team.
@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Machpants said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Argentina made 10 changes to their team from the team that played aus . Confidence must be high with them and strength in depth
Or they’re knackered and got lotsa niggles and realise they can’t play the same team 3 weekends in a row after no rugby for months - they’re also aiming to beat Oz next game, that’ll be their A line up
Beat the all blacks and they looking good to win the rugby championship so this should be the must win game
Next week seems to be the game they are targeting against Oz with a rested front line team.
Yeah. I think that they are taking the French 2011 approach - they won't beat the ABs twice. It is defeatist to me, but in this case probably wise.
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@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Machpants said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Argentina made 10 changes to their team from the team that played aus . Confidence must be high with them and strength in depth
Or they’re knackered and got lotsa niggles and realise they can’t play the same team 3 weekends in a row after no rugby for months - they’re also aiming to beat Oz next game, that’ll be their A line up
Beat the all blacks and they looking good to win the rugby championship so this should be the must win game
Next week seems to be the game they are targeting against Oz with a rested front line team.
Yeah. I think that they are taking the French 2011 approach - they won't beat the ABs twice. It is defeatist to me, but in this case probably wise.
@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Machpants said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Argentina made 10 changes to their team from the team that played aus . Confidence must be high with them and strength in depth
Or they’re knackered and got lotsa niggles and realise they can’t play the same team 3 weekends in a row after no rugby for months - they’re also aiming to beat Oz next game, that’ll be their A line up
Beat the all blacks and they looking good to win the rugby championship so this should be the must win game
Next week seems to be the game they are targeting against Oz with a rested front line team.
Yeah. I think that they are taking the French 2011 approach - they won't beat the ABs twice. It is defeatist to me, but in this case probably wise.
Puts the team in an awkward position. A loss would be disastrous, but a close win is probably a bit of a failure as well. Par is what 20 points?
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@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Machpants said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Argentina made 10 changes to their team from the team that played aus . Confidence must be high with them and strength in depth
Or they’re knackered and got lotsa niggles and realise they can’t play the same team 3 weekends in a row after no rugby for months - they’re also aiming to beat Oz next game, that’ll be their A line up
Beat the all blacks and they looking good to win the rugby championship so this should be the must win game
Next week seems to be the game they are targeting against Oz with a rested front line team.
Yeah. I think that they are taking the French 2011 approach - they won't beat the ABs twice. It is defeatist to me, but in this case probably wise.
Puts the team in an awkward position. A loss would be disastrous, but a close win is probably a bit of a failure as well. Par is what 20 points?
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I doubt the Argie give a shit about this game, they got their win and that's all that matters. An absolute hammering will be meaningless to them, and TBH meaningless to the ABs as well. We had to win the first game and we came up well short.
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@Kirwan Yep, with a bonus point.
They are going to have to look the part, score tries, be aggressive and innovative to shut some of us up.
@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan Yep, with a bonus point.
They are going to have to look the part, score tries, be aggressive and innovative to shut some of us up.
I don't care about innovative, just the basics done well is enough.
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@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan Yep, with a bonus point.
They are going to have to look the part, score tries, be aggressive and innovative to shut some of us up.
I don't care about innovative, just the basics done well is enough.
@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan Yep, with a bonus point.
They are going to have to look the part, score tries, be aggressive and innovative to shut some of us up.
I don't care about innovative, just the basics done well is enough.
Fair call. Just don't want to see the same drivel dished out again without some sort of plan of attack.
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@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan Yep, with a bonus point.
They are going to have to look the part, score tries, be aggressive and innovative to shut some of us up.
I don't care about innovative, just the basics done well is enough.
Fair call. Just don't want to see the same drivel dished out again without some sort of plan of attack.
@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan Yep, with a bonus point.
They are going to have to look the part, score tries, be aggressive and innovative to shut some of us up.
I don't care about innovative, just the basics done well is enough.
Fair call. Just don't want to see the same drivel dished out again without some sort of plan of attack.
Testicle kicks are a plan (I miss Mexted)
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@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Kirwan Yep, with a bonus point.
They are going to have to look the part, score tries, be aggressive and innovative to shut some of us up.
I don't care about innovative, just the basics done well is enough.
Fair call. Just don't want to see the same drivel dished out again without some sort of plan of attack.
Testicle kicks are a plan (I miss Mexted)
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I doubt the Argie give a shit about this game, they got their win and that's all that matters. An absolute hammering will be meaningless to them, and TBH meaningless to the ABs as well. We had to win the first game and we came up well short.
@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I doubt the Argie give a shit about this game, they got their win and that's all that matters. An absolute hammering will be meaningless to them, and TBH meaningless to the ABs as well. We had to win the first game and we came up well short.
i really doubt this is the attitude.
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They are in a good position to win the Tri-Nations-is that not incentive?
I could be wrong but they seem to get quite worked up about winning things. -
They are in a good position to win the Tri-Nations-is that not incentive?
I could be wrong but they seem to get quite worked up about winning things.@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
They are in a good position to win the Tri-Nations-is that not incentive?
I could be wrong but they seem to get quite worked up about winning things.Fucken oath.
And they know that they can smash out a heap of lines in Maradona's memory once they're back in Sydney.
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A few “tough” decisions ahead for Foster and co.
I reckon Scott Barrett, Akira, Sotutu come into the starting lineup.
To link the teams to the starting post
All Blacks: Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Jack Goodhue, Caleb Clarke, Richie Mo'unga, Aaron Smith; Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (c), Akira Ioane, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Joe Moody. Reserves: Codie Taylor, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Tyrel Lomax, Patrick Tuipulotu, Hoskins Sotutu, TJ Perenara, Rieko Ioane, Will Jordan.
Argentina: Emiliano Boffelli, Ramiro Moyano, Juan Cruz Mallia, Jeronimo de la Fuente, Santiago Cordero, Nicolas Sanchez, Felipe Ezcurra, Facundo Isa, Marcos Kremer, Pablo Matera, Lucas Paulos, Guido Petti, Santiago Medrano, Julian Montoya, Mayco Vivas. Reserves: Santiago Socino, Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro, Lucio Sordoni, Matias Alemanno, Santiago Grondona, Gonzalo Bertranou, Santiago Carreras, Lucas Mensa
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Exclusive Interview with Foster
Interviewer: Thanks for talking to us again, Ian.
Fozzie: No worries. My shout this time. How many Big Macs do you want?
Interviewer: What's changed in the camp since the defeat to Argentina?
Fozzie: We had a sit down and a good think about what went wrong and how we could improve. We even brought in a sports psychologist to help us.
Interviewer: How so?
Fozzie: She told us to be open and honest with our shortcomings as there's a natural tendency to hide things we're not good at - especially in a team environment. For example I admitted I had problems with numbers like 12, 13 & 14 at school, TJ owned up to having a fixation with chickens and Scooter has this weird thing called Xanthophilia.
Interviewer: What’s Xanthophilia?
Fozzie: A love of all things yellow, apparently.
Interviewer: There's been some criticism of your comments that things are going well on the training pitch but why are they not being transferred onto the playing field?
Fozzie: Fair question. Look, I can only say it how I see it. I understand the frustration from the supporters’ point of view. And Scotty & Plummy feel it too. For me as head coach it's worse. Way up there with getting to KFC at closing time and finding out you've missed out on the last Big Bucket.
Interviewer: There's been some criticism of the game plan against Argentina.
Fozzie: A lot of that criticism is unfair. We've taken loads of time to analyse and work on our game plan. Obviously, It’s a work in progress but we hope to share it with the players soon.
Interviewer: Are you looking at how to counter the rush defence?
Fozzie: We're working really hard on that and trying different variations on attack. We workshop things in the training sheds before trying it out on the practice paddock. We used my empty KFC Big Buckets to represent the opposition forward and the Big Mac boxes for the backs.
Interviewer: How did that go?
Fozzie: OK, but we had to stop using the Big Buckets though as they were triggering withdrawal symptoms in Asafo Aumua.
Interviewer: You've picked JB at 14 again. What is your thinking behind that?
Fozzie: He's played pretty well in SRA at 14 so he was the logical choice. He was particularly impressive in the game with the Hurricanes. I pretty much made up my mind about him then.
Interviewer: Didn't he play fullback for the Canes in that game?
Fozzie: I clearly recall discussing the 14 slot at the airport & Scotty McLeod saying "Well Jordan played bloody well in the Hurricanes - Crusader game" and I decided there and then he was in the squad at 14.
Interviewer: That was "Will Jordan went well "surely, and not "Well Jordie went well"?
Fozzie: Why wasn't I told about these things? Can you see the sort of ineptitude I have to put up with? People aren’t even able to get players names right.
Interviewer: What about the balance in the loose forwards? There’s been some comment that Ardie Savea is a bit too light at 8 and should be brought on as an impact player.
Fozzie: That’s a good point. But Ardie has the experience which is vital and we’ve been working on his physicality. He’s working really hard on bulking up.
Interviewer: He doesn’t seem to have bulked up much though. Is he working on it enough?
Fozzie: You should see the McDonalds loyalty cards I lent Ardie.
Interviewer: What do you say to some of the social media attacks by supporters on you and the team after the Argentina loss?
Fozzie: Just knock that crap off will you? Just because you're right, doesn't mean you can be abusive.
Interviewer: But can’t you see how supporters might feel with the way the All Blacks are playing?
Fozzie: I can certainly empathise with how they feel. It’s a bit of a shock when you lose twice in a row unexpectedly when you have a history of winning. The only thing I would say is that the shock does wear off after a few losses. Trust me on that.
Interviewer: Will you consider your future if you lose on Saturday?
Fozzie: I'm contracted until 2021. So we'll see after that. But you know, you never know, you know.
Interviewer: Thanks for talking with us
Fozzie: My pleasure. Do you want those fries?
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Exclusive Interview with Foster
Interviewer: Thanks for talking to us again, Ian.
Fozzie: No worries. My shout this time. How many Big Macs do you want?
Interviewer: What's changed in the camp since the defeat to Argentina?
Fozzie: We had a sit down and a good think about what went wrong and how we could improve. We even brought in a sports psychologist to help us.
Interviewer: How so?
Fozzie: She told us to be open and honest with our shortcomings as there's a natural tendency to hide things we're not good at - especially in a team environment. For example I admitted I had problems with numbers like 12, 13 & 14 at school, TJ owned up to having a fixation with chickens and Scooter has this weird thing called Xanthophilia.
Interviewer: What’s Xanthophilia?
Fozzie: A love of all things yellow, apparently.
Interviewer: There's been some criticism of your comments that things are going well on the training pitch but why are they not being transferred onto the playing field?
Fozzie: Fair question. Look, I can only say it how I see it. I understand the frustration from the supporters’ point of view. And Scotty & Plummy feel it too. For me as head coach it's worse. Way up there with getting to KFC at closing time and finding out you've missed out on the last Big Bucket.
Interviewer: There's been some criticism of the game plan against Argentina.
Fozzie: A lot of that criticism is unfair. We've taken loads of time to analyse and work on our game plan. Obviously, It’s a work in progress but we hope to share it with the players soon.
Interviewer: Are you looking at how to counter the rush defence?
Fozzie: We're working really hard on that and trying different variations on attack. We workshop things in the training sheds before trying it out on the practice paddock. We used my empty KFC Big Buckets to represent the opposition forward and the Big Mac boxes for the backs.
Interviewer: How did that go?
Fozzie: OK, but we had to stop using the Big Buckets though as they were triggering withdrawal symptoms in Asafo Aumua.
Interviewer: You've picked JB at 14 again. What is your thinking behind that?
Fozzie: He's played pretty well in SRA at 14 so he was the logical choice. He was particularly impressive in the game with the Hurricanes. I pretty much made up my mind about him then.
Interviewer: Didn't he play fullback for the Canes in that game?
Fozzie: I clearly recall discussing the 14 slot at the airport & Scotty McLeod saying "Well Jordan played bloody well in the Hurricanes - Crusader game" and I decided there and then he was in the squad at 14.
Interviewer: That was "Will Jordan went well "surely, and not "Well Jordie went well"?
Fozzie: Why wasn't I told about these things? Can you see the sort of ineptitude I have to put up with? People aren’t even able to get players names right.
Interviewer: What about the balance in the loose forwards? There’s been some comment that Ardie Savea is a bit too light at 8 and should be brought on as an impact player.
Fozzie: That’s a good point. But Ardie has the experience which is vital and we’ve been working on his physicality. He’s working really hard on bulking up.
Interviewer: He doesn’t seem to have bulked up much though. Is he working on it enough?
Fozzie: You should see the McDonalds loyalty cards I lent Ardie.
Interviewer: What do you say to some of the social media attacks by supporters on you and the team after the Argentina loss?
Fozzie: Just knock that crap off will you? Just because you're right, doesn't mean you can be abusive.
Interviewer: But can’t you see how supporters might feel with the way the All Blacks are playing?
Fozzie: I can certainly empathise with how they feel. It’s a bit of a shock when you lose twice in a row unexpectedly when you have a history of winning. The only thing I would say is that the shock does wear off after a few losses. Trust me on that.
Interviewer: Will you consider your future if you lose on Saturday?
Fozzie: I'm contracted until 2021. So we'll see after that. But you know, you never know, you know.
Interviewer: Thanks for talking with us
Fozzie: My pleasure. Do you want those fries?
So many juvenile fat jokes......
I think that’s why I’m still laughing.
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I doubt the Argie give a shit about this game, they got their win and that's all that matters. An absolute hammering will be meaningless to them, and TBH meaningless to the ABs as well. We had to win the first game and we came up well short.
@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I doubt the Argie give a shit about this game, they got their win and that's all that matters. An absolute hammering will be meaningless to them, and TBH meaningless to the ABs as well. We had to win the first game and we came up well short.
We are the ones who have to worry about getting an absolute hammering.
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@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I doubt the Argie give a shit about this game, they got their win and that's all that matters. An absolute hammering will be meaningless to them, and TBH meaningless to the ABs as well. We had to win the first game and we came up well short.
i really doubt this is the attitude.
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I doubt the Argie give a shit about this game, they got their win and that's all that matters. An absolute hammering will be meaningless to them, and TBH meaningless to the ABs as well. We had to win the first game and we came up well short.
i really doubt this is the attitude.
Argentina have made 10 changes to a side that got their first ever win over the ABs. They are clearly just using this match as an opportunity rotate the squad and blood new players.
On the flipside us smacking a severely weakened Argentina side should be pretty meaningless, but I guess our standards have dropped pretty markedly in recent times.
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@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Machpants said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Argentina made 10 changes to their team from the team that played aus . Confidence must be high with them and strength in depth
Or they’re knackered and got lotsa niggles and realise they can’t play the same team 3 weekends in a row after no rugby for months - they’re also aiming to beat Oz next game, that’ll be their A line up
Beat the all blacks and they looking good to win the rugby championship so this should be the must win game
Next week seems to be the game they are targeting against Oz with a rested front line team.
Yeah. I think that they are taking the French 2011 approach - they won't beat the ABs twice. It is defeatist to me, but in this case probably wise.
@Snowy Im not really convinced by this. Some of the rotations were forced by injury (such as 9) but a lot of the introductions are European based players being reintegrated (Isa, Cordero, de la Fuente) or are first teamers coming back from injury (Boffelli).
It's probably not the best team they could put out with full fitness but it's far from a B team.
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@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I doubt the Argie give a shit about this game, they got their win and that's all that matters. An absolute hammering will be meaningless to them, and TBH meaningless to the ABs as well. We had to win the first game and we came up well short.
i really doubt this is the attitude.
Argentina have made 10 changes to a side that got their first ever win over the ABs. They are clearly just using this match as an opportunity rotate the squad and blood new players.
On the flipside us smacking a severely weakened Argentina side should be pretty meaningless, but I guess our standards have dropped pretty markedly in recent times.
@No-Quarter 'us smacking a severely weakened Argentina side should be pretty meaningless'.
What are you talking about? if Arg win this they have one hand on the trophy. If NZ win this with a bonus point then they take the trophy.
Why would either team take it lightly?
I swear some AB fans smoke crack for a living.
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@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I doubt the Argie give a shit about this game, they got their win and that's all that matters. An absolute hammering will be meaningless to them, and TBH meaningless to the ABs as well. We had to win the first game and we came up well short.
i really doubt this is the attitude.
Argentina have made 10 changes to a side that got their first ever win over the ABs. They are clearly just using this match as an opportunity rotate the squad and blood new players.
On the flipside us smacking a severely weakened Argentina side should be pretty meaningless, but I guess our standards have dropped pretty markedly in recent times.
@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I doubt the Argie give a shit about this game, they got their win and that's all that matters. An absolute hammering will be meaningless to them, and TBH meaningless to the ABs as well. We had to win the first game and we came up well short.
i really doubt this is the attitude.
Argentina have made 10 changes to a side that got their first ever win over the ABs. They are clearly just using this match as an opportunity rotate the squad and blood new players.
On the flipside us smacking a severely weakened Argentina side should be pretty meaningless, but I guess our standards have dropped pretty markedly in recent times.
Yes, now we want to win rather than just look good in the pre-training workshops. VISION! (trademark: Ian Foster).
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@No-Quarter 'us smacking a severely weakened Argentina side should be pretty meaningless'.
What are you talking about? if Arg win this they have one hand on the trophy. If NZ win this with a bonus point then they take the trophy.
Why would either team take it lightly?
I swear some AB fans smoke crack for a living.
@Derpus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@No-Quarter 'us smacking a severely weakened Argentina side should be pretty meaningless'.
What are you talking about? if Arg win this they have one hand on the trophy. If NZ win this with a bonus point then they take the trophy.
Why would either team take it lightly?
It's going to take some time for me to adjust to the ABs being in the middle of the pack under Foster
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@No-Quarter 'us smacking a severely weakened Argentina side should be pretty meaningless'.
What are you talking about? if Arg win this they have one hand on the trophy. If NZ win this with a bonus point then they take the trophy.
Why would either team take it lightly?
I swear some AB fans smoke crack for a living.
@Derpus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I swear some AB fans smoke crack for a living.
nah, it's more a hobby for me to be honest
