Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November
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@bayimports I reckon you are pretty much bang on there. I can't Foster starting 2 rookies in his loosies in a must win game - he's way too conservative for that.
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@bayimports I reckon you are pretty much bang on there. I can't Foster starting 2 rookies in his loosies in a must win game - he's way too conservative for that.
the last "must win" game he put his "best team" out and they got fucking hammered. maybe do the opposite of what you have been doing aye Ian?
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The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
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@bayimports said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Donsteppa said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Initial thinking:
- Moody
- Taylor
- Laulala
- Vaa'i
- Whitelock
- A Ioane
- Cane
- Sotutu
- Smith
- Mo'unga
- Clarke
- ALB
- Goodhue
- R Ioane
- B Barrett
Haven't thought through the reserves yet, but S. Barrett and TJP aren't in them. Tuipulotu needs to bring some more physicality back to his game off the bench. For a big unit with a lot of potential, he sometimes plays under his weight at the top level.
No chance in my mind, as it is close to what most people have asked from the start and Foster has consistently done things differently to what we have been asking for. Where I do think you will be close is that there wont be many changes. If we had won the last two then yes, but we didn't and the pressure is on.
I suspect we will still see fullbacks on the wing, inside and outside centers around the other way and I doubt we finally get a balanced back row. I also suspect big name players that were not dominant in their last game get a chance to redeem themselves.
and no this is a guess, not a source guess
So given what I said, I guess I should try pick a team as if I was Ian Foster.
Given a must win, I would expect a XV looking much the same with no balance in backrow, like we have seen but maybe change in a couple of areas where physicality has been mentioned openly, but no changes in the backline
1, JM, 2. DC, 3, NL, 4. SB, 5.SW, 6.AI, 7. SC, 8.A.S, 9.A.S, 10.R.M, 11. C.C, 12.JG, 13. ALB, 14.JB, 15. BB
The bench probably mostly the same as well, just Patty coming off bench for impact
16.CT, 17.KT, 18.TL, 19. PT, 20.HS, 21.TJP/B.W, 22.RI, 23.WJ
@bayimports That's close to what I'd expect - I don't think we'll get two changes in the starting loosies, either - but, maybe we will.
I'm thinking Hodgman still ahead of Big Karl.
I think Fozzie might have enough gumption to replace Jordie with Rieko to give us a bit more offensive threat. Which would leave probably TJP, NL and JB as our "safe" back reserves.
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The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Pick Kevvy Mealamu to punch through the middle of the ruck, ala a dummy half run in league.
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@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Pick Kevvy Mealamu to punch through the middle of the ruck, ala a dummy half run in league.
@Gunner said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Pick Kevvy Mealamu to punch through the middle of the ruck, ala a dummy half run in league.
Yep, a series of quick pick'n'go's without a certain halfback in the way slowing things down. Hopefully that will bring some of their fatties closer to the ruck, and introduce a bit more uncertainty to the defence.
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@Gunner said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Pick Kevvy Mealamu to punch through the middle of the ruck, ala a dummy half run in league.
Yep, a series of quick pick'n'go's without a certain halfback in the way slowing things down. Hopefully that will bring some of their fatties closer to the ruck, and introduce a bit more uncertainty to the defence.
@Donsteppa and mix it up with A Smith doing his thread the needle pass to the pod standing outside 1st receivers spot too, put indecision into the defence about where we are going, make them think about who has to make the tackle, who has to drift, or who shouldnt drift.
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@bayimports said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Donsteppa said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Initial thinking:
- Moody
- Taylor
- Laulala
- Vaa'i
- Whitelock
- A Ioane
- Cane
- Sotutu
- Smith
- Mo'unga
- Clarke
- ALB
- Goodhue
- R Ioane
- B Barrett
Haven't thought through the reserves yet, but S. Barrett and TJP aren't in them. Tuipulotu needs to bring some more physicality back to his game off the bench. For a big unit with a lot of potential, he sometimes plays under his weight at the top level.
No chance in my mind, as it is close to what most people have asked from the start and Foster has consistently done things differently to what we have been asking for. Where I do think you will be close is that there wont be many changes. If we had won the last two then yes, but we didn't and the pressure is on.
I suspect we will still see fullbacks on the wing, inside and outside centers around the other way and I doubt we finally get a balanced back row. I also suspect big name players that were not dominant in their last game get a chance to redeem themselves.
and no this is a guess, not a source guess
So given what I said, I guess I should try pick a team as if I was Ian Foster.
Given a must win, I would expect a XV looking much the same with no balance in backrow, like we have seen but maybe change in a couple of areas where physicality has been mentioned openly, but no changes in the backline
1, JM, 2. DC, 3, NL, 4. SB, 5.SW, 6.AI, 7. SC, 8.A.S, 9.A.S, 10.R.M, 11. C.C, 12.JG, 13. ALB, 14.JB, 15. BB
The bench probably mostly the same as well, just Patty coming off bench for impact
16.CT, 17.KT, 18.TL, 19. PT, 20.HS, 21.TJP/B.W, 22.RI, 23.WJ
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@Donsteppa and mix it up with A Smith doing his thread the needle pass to the pod standing outside 1st receivers spot too, put indecision into the defence about where we are going, make them think about who has to make the tackle, who has to drift, or who shouldnt drift.
@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Donsteppa and mix it up with A Smith doing his thread the needle pass to the pod standing outside 1st receivers spot too, put indecision into the defence about where we are going, make them think about who has to make the tackle, who has to drift, or who shouldnt drift.
Argies defence doesn’t bother drifting. They rush hard on the mark.
We have spent so long with patterns to negate the drift D that we have forgotten how to manipulate a direct one. -
@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Donsteppa and mix it up with A Smith doing his thread the needle pass to the pod standing outside 1st receivers spot too, put indecision into the defence about where we are going, make them think about who has to make the tackle, who has to drift, or who shouldnt drift.
Argies defence doesn’t bother drifting. They rush hard on the mark.
We have spent so long with patterns to negate the drift D that we have forgotten how to manipulate a direct one.@Crucial but they didnt need to drift the other week anyway, we just ran at them, only decision they had to make was do I tackle him or do I let him run past me...
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@bayimports I like your confidence by not selecting a left winger.
@Bovidae said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@bayimports I like your confidence by not selecting a left winger.
lol cheers, I did so no changes.. but good spotting edited
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I don't think selections will fix shit, we need the coach to stand up and change a game plan we are playing into certain teams hands.Every team that can defend and match or dominate us up front know Foster has a game plan of running those teams off their feet.
That game plan is obvious and has-been shut down now,Time to sort out another way of beating these teams.The AB's have to go back to finding a dominate forward pack so we can then release our X factor backs.
@Chris said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
That game plan is obvious and has-been shut down now,Time to sort out another way of beating these teams.The AB's have to go back to finding a dominate forward pack so we can then release our X factor backs.
That is almost exactly how England crushed Ireland, except replace 'X factor backs' (plural) with 'X factor back' (May)
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@Gunner said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Pick Kevvy Mealamu to punch through the middle of the ruck, ala a dummy half run in league.
Yep, a series of quick pick'n'go's without a certain halfback in the way slowing things down. Hopefully that will bring some of their fatties closer to the ruck, and introduce a bit more uncertainty to the defence.
@Donsteppa said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Gunner said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Pick Kevvy Mealamu to punch through the middle of the ruck, ala a dummy half run in league.
Yep, a series of quick pick'n'go's without a certain halfback in the way slowing things down. Hopefully that will bring some of their fatties closer to the ruck, and introduce a bit more uncertainty to the defence.
Worked a treat Lions 1
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Short passes amongst forwards (and our guys are good enough) to make the oppo forwards commit.
If they don't we go straight through them.
If they do, they aren't lined up waiting for us, and we get some space for the backs.
We do seem to have lost the plot on some of the basics, but hey, what do I know.
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The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Which makes it so annoying that our 9s did not snipe around the ruck to draw in defenders. There were a couple of big holes immediately next to ruck late on when Weber came on that went ignored. Smith, TJP and Weber all snipe regularly at SR level, so it leads me to wonder why they all almost exclusively choose to pass at test level, even when they have opportunities to run. We know that the ABs have for years used their 9s to move the ball away from the breakdown as quickly as possible in order to outflank their opposition. However, as you say, the gig is up and we are now so predictable it doesn't matter how quickly the ball is being moved away from the breakdown.
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I remember a rugbypass article, from last year, about beating the rush defence with old Brumbies tactics.
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@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Which makes it so annoying that our 9s did not snipe around the ruck to draw in defenders. There were a couple of big holes immediately next to ruck late on when Weber came on that went ignored. Smith, TJP and Weber all snipe regularly at SR level, so it leads me to wonder why they all almost exclusively choose to pass at test level, even when they have opportunities to run. We know that the ABs have for years used their 9s to move the ball away from the breakdown as quickly as possible in order to outflank their opposition. However, as you say, the gig is up and we are now so predictable it doesn't matter how quickly the ball is being moved away from the breakdown.
@junior its something I have always been critical of with Sam Nock, up until this year, he passed or kicked, rarely sniped, makes it easer to defend...similarly what you say, we have become too predictable, we are usually the innovators, with other teams always playing catch up.
Often they would, but we'd change shit up again and pull away...now, it seems we let everyone catch up, a couple have crept ahead while we are still cruising along in 3rd, seemingly unsure how to get into 4th.
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of course he is, didnt you see my if I was Ian Foster team..
Perhaps the second post was a little saucy
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of course he is, didnt you see my if I was Ian Foster team..
Perhaps the second post was a little saucy
@bayimports So.... is Fozzie not bothering with a left wing?
