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booboo

@bones said in Rugby Commentators:

@crucial like?

I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.

Edges
Francis Douglas Memorial College
Insert other school name here
Mis-pronunciation of non Polynesian names

booboo

@siam said in Rugby Commentators:

@crucial thanks, for years I didn't know what second man play meant. I just thought it was 2nd receiver dying with the ball to set up a pod or cut back in.
So it literally just means skip pass?
What a waste of syllables.

Gotta go, I've got so much work to do today that I think I'll "second man play" lunch. Madness

Isn't it where the third player runs an unders line, and the ball gets passed behind him to the second man running wide?

(Even unders sound leagueish)

Crucial

@booboo said in Rugby Commentators:

@siam said in Rugby Commentators:

@crucial thanks, for years I didn't know what second man play meant. I just thought it was 2nd receiver dying with the ball to set up a pod or cut back in.
So it literally just means skip pass?
What a waste of syllables.

Gotta go, I've got so much work to do today that I think I'll "second man play" lunch. Madness

Isn't it where the third player runs an unders line, and the ball gets passed behind him to the second man running wide?

(Even unders sound leagueish)

Yeah, that too. Usually when the second man cuts back against the grain and another player from behind runs into a pass that goes behind the second guy. In simple terms though its is still a cut out, just that the receiver has entered the line late. Anyway the term comes from league and only started in union when refs decided that dummy runners and passing behind players was legit. If you think back to the McQueen Brumbies era we used to call it gridiron.

Yes, edges is another example he uses.

It's just hybrid language in places like Wainuiomata where the culture is often playing both codes and the players and coaches are the same.

Kruse

@mn5 said in Rugby Commentators:

@kruse said in Rugby Commentators:

@mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators:

I'll tell you a real good way of fixing nz commentators. Sack every one we have at the moment and bring in acc and leigh hart

Fuck. Off.
Ever tried running backwards through a field of dicks?
Or chowing down on a bowl of cold flaccid dicks?
Fuck.
Leigh Hart couldn't commentate an order at the pub. Christ, he can hardly speak.
And the ACC - are typically of mild amusement for approximately 5 minutes. After that... well, it's just the first 5 minutes on a repeat loop anyway, with rapidly diminishing returns with each re-hashed lame joke.
Fuck. Leigh Hart and the ACC. Off.

I must say I was expecting this rant and it didn’t disappoint.

Awww, shucks.

Bones

@crucial said in Rugby Commentators:

@bones said in Rugby Commentators:

@crucial like?

I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.

Yeah it's funny isn't it, I hadn't heard it used either until rugby copied league and started running second man plays. It was never called a bloody skip, miss or cut out! It's a ball behind the players to a second line of men, it describes the actual bloody play - one that rugby copied off league, it would make sense to actually use it's name.

antipodean

@crazy-horse said in Rugby Commentators:

@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:

@tim said in Rugby Commentators:

The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.

Someone should invite him to post on the Fern - he sounds like he'd fit in, with massive scope to choose from...

The commentators suck
The players suck
The players brains definitely suck
The coaches suck
The referees suck
The Laws suck
The jerseys suck
The stadia suck
The stadia food and drinks suck
The music sucks
Modern rugby sucks!!!

Things have been really negative around here for a while now when it comes to rugby. Seems worse than normal. Are we getting older and grumpier, or does rugby actually suck at the moment?

A little from column A, a little from column B.

booboo

@antipodean said in Rugby Commentators:

@crazy-horse said in Rugby Commentators:

@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:

@tim said in Rugby Commentators:

The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.

Someone should invite him to post on the Fern - he sounds like he'd fit in, with massive scope to choose from...

The commentators suck
The players suck
The players brains definitely suck
The coaches suck
The referees suck
The Laws suck
The jerseys suck
The stadia suck
The stadia food and drinks suck
The music sucks
Modern rugby sucks!!!

Things have been really negative around here for a while now when it comes to rugby. Seems worse than normal. Are we getting older and grumpier, or does rugby actually suck at the moment?

A little from column A, a little from column B.

Nah, mostly column A. Reckon column B is quite entertaining.

Siam

@bones said in Rugby Commentators:

@crucial said in Rugby Commentators:

@bones said in Rugby Commentators:

@crucial like?

I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.

Yeah it's funny isn't it, I hadn't heard it used either until rugby copied league and started running second man plays. It was never called a bloody skip, miss or cut out! It's a ball behind the players to a second line of men, it describes the actual bloody play - one that rugby copied off league, it would make sense to actually use it's name.

I finished up in early 90s and don't think we ever tried it. I think we all thought it'd be shepherding (another olde rugger term). We just had cut backs, miss passes, fullback coming in, wipers kicks or a combination of them all
Does that tally with you young 'uns?

Bones

@siam said in Rugby Commentators:

@bones said in Rugby Commentators:

@crucial said in Rugby Commentators:

@bones said in Rugby Commentators:

@crucial like?

I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.

Yeah it's funny isn't it, I hadn't heard it used either until rugby copied league and started running second man plays. It was never called a bloody skip, miss or cut out! It's a ball behind the players to a second line of men, it describes the actual bloody play - one that rugby copied off league, it would make sense to actually use it's name.

I finished up in early 90s and don't think we ever tried it. I think we all thought it'd be shepherding (another olde rugger term). We just had cut backs, miss passes, fullback coming in, wipers kicks or a combination of them all
Does that tally with you young 'uns?

Well we'd just abbreviate, because that made it top secret!

DM - double miss, who knew! M2, M3....can you guess? Fuck me it became confusing when I moved to the UK and M2 was actually M1, not to mention every team having a move called "Rangi".

You forgot "Loop" also. I think the closest we had to a second man play was called DB, 10 to 12, 10 loops and gets it back then skips to 15.

And thus ends yet another inspiring lesson of "Shit I didn't need to know".

Siam

@bones said in Rugby Commentators:

And thus ends yet another inspiring lesson of "Shit I didn't need to know".

Oh contrare Blackadder, by far the best post of yours I've ever read. Awesome we jaunt down memory lane.

Rangi? Really? quite surprised at the cultural misappropriation- nah just joshing. Obviously passed on by kiwis before you.

Loop, like a double round yeah? Nasty one for a slow and slovenly ball passer to get smashed.

Confession; if passing the ball to the guy cutting back was there a best way to flick him the ball. I mean left or right because one way left you front on and t'other turned your back on the defence...I think. Like he gets it just before running by you or just after running by you If that's not explained well enough, just ignore and I'll happily go to my grave not knowing

Bones

@siam yeah never really thought about it that much! Horses for courses?

Victor Meldrew

@siam said in Rugby Commentators:

Swannell is the new bench mark for the game calling role. Clear, accurate and comprehensive with names and adds apt adjectives to what we can see for ourselves. Good at her job.

For me, the benchmark for game-calling is the UK's Andrew Cotter - the bloke is really, really good.

But yeah, I also enjoy Rikki Swannell's commentary - like you I think she's bloody good and the best in NZ.

Nepia

I take one day off posting and That Guy gets suggested for commentary. If DMac gets a card for slightly brushing above the shoulder then this poster should be banned for life.

Clearly I need to be more vigilant or this place will degenerate.

Also well said @Kruse

MN5

@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:

Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?

For someone who criticised him lots as a player I actually find his “aw shucks” demeanour quite endearing.

He’s revolutionised broadcasting too, I’ve never heard anyone refer to Dave Rennie as “bro” before !

Rancid Schnitzel

@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:

Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?

He is absolutely terrible. Some people simply should not be in front of the camera. I'd even put McGod in that category. But he's too busy flying helicopters and shit.

canefan

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:

@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:

Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?

He is absolutely terrible. Some people simply should not be in front of the camera. I'd even put McGod in that category. But he's too busy flying helicopters and shit.

I don't like Kieran Read as a comments guy either

KiwiMurph

Just because you are a good player doesn't mean you are a good commentator.

reprobate

@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:

@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:

Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?

For someone who criticised him lots as a player I actually find his “aw shucks” demeanour quite endearing.

He’s revolutionised broadcasting too, I’ve never heard anyone refer to Dave Rennie as “bro” before !

The demeanour is fine, it's the absolutely pathetic 12 year old kid could do better analysis that's the problem. It's such a waste of time that it hurts listening to it. Seriously the best you can hope for is for him to get a meaningless cliche correct.

MN5

@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:

@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:

Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?

He is absolutely terrible. Some people simply should not be in front of the camera. I'd even put McGod in that category. But he's too busy flying helicopters and shit.

I don't like Kieran Read as a comments guy either

He’s pretty poor too it must be said. Loved him as a player but his “expert comments” are very bland and inoffensive. Definitely doesn’t want to bite the hand that’S feeding him and say what he really thinks.

kiwiinmelb

@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:

Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?

I wonder if because he is such a well known figure in both codes , and Aussie rugby struggles for attention,

They see it as a marketing tool to have this celebrity type ex player
as part of their team

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