Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
You'd think that a specialist seamer would be more likely to also make a good spinner compared to a batsman - but, none of them seem to bother. And I've never seen anyone in the nets at club cricket who didn't fuck around a bit bowling (or trying to bowl) a bit of spin.
Tony Greig switched from seam to spin sometimes and famously took a bunch of wickets in the West Indies that way.
The legendary Mike Procter used to bowl off spin well as well as bowling lightning quick off the wrong foot and making pots of runs. What a player he was.
@kiwipie said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
You'd think that a specialist seamer would be more likely to also make a good spinner compared to a batsman - but, none of them seem to bother. And I've never seen anyone in the nets at club cricket who didn't fuck around a bit bowling (or trying to bowl) a bit of spin.
Tony Greig switched from seam to spin sometimes and famously took a bunch of wickets in the West Indies that way.
The legendary Mike Procter used to bowl off spin well as well as bowling lightning quick off the wrong foot and making pots of runs. What a player he was.
He coulda been better than Paddles, Beefy, Imran and Kapiti by some accounts. Sounds like a hell of a player robbed of a decent test career.
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I think it is temperament as to why people don't change. I was a fast bowler and bowling spin would be like retiring.
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think it is temperament as to why people don't change. I was a fast bowler and bowling spin would be like retiring.
I was a fast bowler too when I talk about my cricket career.
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Didn't Chris Harris pretty much switch from bowling seam to leggies? but never gained much recognition largely because his pace bowling was the same speed?
@reprobate said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Didn't Chris Harris pretty much switch from bowling seam to leggies? but never gained much recognition largely because his pace bowling was the same speed?
Yes, and yes. Exact same speed and bowling action (apart from wrist).
But changed from seam-up big banana in swingers, to leg spinners. But they were more rollers that angle in and straightened.
If you want to see his transition, then watch the Chris Harris part of this video at 4:53, which I made btw, as I'm an anorak.
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@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think it is temperament as to why people don't change. I was a fast bowler and bowling spin would be like retiring.
I was a fast bowler too when I talk about my cricket career.
@crazy-horse said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think it is temperament as to why people don't change. I was a fast bowler and bowling spin would be like retiring.
I was a fast bowler too when I talk about my cricket career.
It is a relative term.
I really just hurled a hard red ball at people. Very satisfying.
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I have a memory of Hadlee bowling left arm spin in a test once. Anyone else remember that? Or have imagined it?
@crazy-horse said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I have a memory of Hadlee bowling left arm spin in a test once. Anyone else remember that? Or have imagined it?
Yes. Also to plug my video.
Bowled to Robin Smith's big brother.
Here at 2 mins 47 sec:
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@crazy-horse said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think it is temperament as to why people don't change. I was a fast bowler and bowling spin would be like retiring.
I was a fast bowler too when I talk about my cricket career.
It is a relative term.
I really just hurled a hard red ball at people. Very satisfying.
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crazy-horse said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think it is temperament as to why people don't change. I was a fast bowler and bowling spin would be like retiring.
I was a fast bowler too when I talk about my cricket career.
It is a relative term.
I really just hurled a hard red ball at people. Very satisfying.
You and your funny hobbies.
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@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crazy-horse said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think it is temperament as to why people don't change. I was a fast bowler and bowling spin would be like retiring.
I was a fast bowler too when I talk about my cricket career.
It is a relative term.
I really just hurled a hard red ball at people. Very satisfying.
You and your funny hobbies.
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There was a Pakistani quick whose name I forget but went the other way - an offie who started bowling seam. He bowled a few overs of spin in a test though. Probably about 10-15 years ago.
Ravindra could be another contender for all-rounder. Especially if he wants to break in to the side now that Young and Conway look to have locked up the top order spots even after Taylor retires, he could try and make it as a number 6 who gives us a spin option.
@cyclops said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Ravindra could be another contender for all-rounder. Especially if he wants to break in to the side now that Young and Conway look to have locked up the top order spots even after Taylor retires, he could try and make it as a number 6 who gives us a spin option.
If this next test was just a normal test and not the WTC Final, I'm about 99% certain that Ravindra would be debuting as the batsman who can bowl spin, allowing the 4 seamers balance. Ajaz would be in the starting 11 for Asian tours only, and probably come in, if all else being constant, when Wagner retired.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
Colin Miller is probably the closest we've seen.
Shane Thompson transitioned from seam to spin and was not as good. Around 2003-4ish Scott Styris was semi-seriously trying to develop his offspin to become a second spinning option but I don't think we saw it at international level.
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
Colin Miller is probably the closest we've seen.
Shane Thompson transitioned from seam to spin and was not as good. Around 2003-4ish Scott Styris was semi-seriously trying to develop his offspin to become a second spinning option but I don't think we saw it at international level.
Thomson was who I thought of when I saw the question, but agree that he was never that good. He switched because of injury IIRC.
That said, nothing wrong with 6/1/4 unless the pitch is very spin friendly.
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@crazy-horse said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I have a memory of Hadlee bowling left arm spin in a test once. Anyone else remember that? Or have imagined it?
Yes. Also to plug my video.
Bowled to Robin Smith's big brother.
Here at 2 mins 47 sec:
@rapido awesome mate. Nobody I've mentioned this to can remember it. I was beginning to think I had imagined it.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
Colin Miller is probably the closest we've seen.
Shane Thompson transitioned from seam to spin and was not as good. Around 2003-4ish Scott Styris was semi-seriously trying to develop his offspin to become a second spinning option but I don't think we saw it at international level.
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
Colin Miller is probably the closest we've seen.
Shane Thompson transitioned from seam to spin and was not as good. Around 2003-4ish Scott Styris was semi-seriously trying to develop his offspin to become a second spinning option but I don't think we saw it at international level.
#booboo
I nearly jumped in with "Colin Funky Miller" but t thought I'd read the thread first
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
Colin Miller is probably the closest we've seen.
Shane Thompson transitioned from seam to spin and was not as good. Around 2003-4ish Scott Styris was semi-seriously trying to develop his offspin to become a second spinning option but I don't think we saw it at international level.
#booboo
I nearly jumped in with "Colin Funky Miller" but t thought I'd read the thread first
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@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
but t thought I'd read the thread first
WTF?
Who are you?
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@scribe said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Forecast for Southampton at end of this week is not looking great at all.
I'm doing a trackday at Thruxton on Friday morning, so Ive been keeping an eye on the weather down those ways.
The headline in the BBC app doesn't really correlate well with the the hour by hour forecast. If you look, it's <20% chance of rain at any point in the day. The worst weather is also scheduled for Thursday, which is thunderstorms. I think 50% of the time they forecast thunderstorms, it ends up being blue sky. You need humidity much higher than the UK regularly gets for thunder.
In other words ... don't panic yet!
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I think as its a one-off test we should select 6 batsmen, and back all 4 seamers (obviously Jamieson is a lock) to bowl 20+ overs in a day if required. So add in Young or Blundell at 6, drop Watling to 7. KW to bowl a few part time overs.
None of CdG/Satnav/Mitchell are really good enough to take up a spot in the #1 team in the world for a championship final! On a non-spin friendly pitch Ajaz isn't going to trouble the Indians much.
Latham
Conway
Williamson
Taylor
Nicholls
Young/Blundell
Watling
Jamieson
Wagner
Southee
Boult
