Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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yeah my selection is totally predicated on not having Santnav anywhere near the test side except in an absolute emergency - as a bowler he brings absolutely nothing to the table compared to Ajaz - he takes longer to get through an over; bowls no balls (capital crime for a slow bowler); and offers about as much threat to a batter as a wet dish rag.
CdG has a nice strike rate but doesn't actually offer that many runs - plus he seems to carry significant niggling injuries into games. I'd rather have Kylo asked to offer more with the bat and given the responsibility of being the all rounder which is where I think he may end up being more than a bowler who bats a bit in the long term.
@synicbast said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
yeah my selection is totally predicated on not having Santnav anywhere near the test side except in an absolute emergency - as a bowler he brings absolutely nothing to the table compared to Ajaz - he takes longer to get through an over; bowls no balls (capital crime for a slow bowler); and offers about as much threat to a batter as a wet dish rag.
CdG has a nice strike rate but doesn't actually offer that many runs - plus he seems to carry significant niggling injuries into games. I'd rather have Kylo asked to offer more with the bat and given the responsibility of being the all rounder which is where I think he may end up being more than a bowler who bats a bit in the long term.
I’d be fine if he continued bowling as he has and the batting is hit or miss. I think the “All Rounder” part of his game is possibly extra pressure, do we really want him to become another James Franklin who’s batting improved but his promising bowling turned to shit ?
Boult, Southee and Wagner may well all retire about the same time, it’s imperative the big guy remains a threat with the ball.
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@bovidae said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Sanjay Manjrekar is picking India will select an extra batsmen and only 4 specialist bowlers.
That means only one of Ashwin and Jadeja - I'll take that every day of the week - Ashwin is lethal against Left handers and with the way Pacers have worked out how to bowlaround the wicket these days against lefties, I'm p[erfectly fine with reducing the threat level
@synicbast said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@bovidae said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Sanjay Manjrekar is picking India will select an extra batsmen and only 4 specialist bowlers.
That means only one of Ashwin and Jadeja - I'll take that every day of the week - Ashwin is lethal against Left handers and with the way Pacers have worked out how to bowlaround the wicket these days against lefties, I'm p[erfectly fine with reducing the threat level
their plan will be pretty simple really, bat once score a shit ton of runs and hope we implode.
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My biggest concern is they will deviate from what has worked the last 6 months, the 4 seamer attack.
Ajax bowled well , bloody well but surely the Indian batsmen face better in the nets? They play spin all the time, and quality wise for greater then what we can provide.
Picking Satnav will be incredibly disappointing, CDG i could live with though it feels hes been away from the game too long.We miss having a top order batsmen who can be relied on to bowl and pick up the odd wicket, the likes of a Astle or McMillan.
Someone who could be relied on to break a partnership.@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
My biggest concern is they will deviate from what has worked the last 6 months, the 4 seamer attack.
Ajax bowled well , bloody well but surely the Indian batsmen face better in the nets? They play spin all the time, and quality wise for greater then what we can provide.
Picking Satnav will be incredibly disappointing, CDG i could live with though it feels hes been away from the game too long.We miss having a top order batsmen who can be relied on to bowl and pick up the odd wicket, the likes of a Astle or McMillan.
Someone who could be relied on to break a partnership.Throw Styris in there too as that type of player, I remember all three taking crucial wickets once in a blue moon which helped immensely. They were all handy.
It’s a bit of a shame we don’t appear to have anyone like that in the top order but I’ll take the batting records of our current lot over any of those guys any day that ends with a Y.
What a bugger Jesse Ryder had issues, I’d have picked him for a batting average in the 40s and his bowling was possibly better than all three of them.
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I guess that there may be some interest in this afternoon's announcement as it may show the hand by being the 11 plus one option based on toss/conditions and three covering for injury.
So maybe we will see the with/without spinner option and reserve Bat, Ball and Keeper.
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No love for CDG it seems. The comms keep saying that bowlers like him have been doing very well in England. He also serves as a pinch hitter if we want quick runs.
Ave 36 with the bat. 32 with the ball at 2.4 eco. 25 tests experience not to be sneezed at.
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No love for CDG it seems. The comms keep saying that bowlers like him have been doing very well in England. He also serves as a pinch hitter if we want quick runs.
Ave 36 with the bat. 32 with the ball at 2.4 eco. 25 tests experience not to be sneezed at.
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No love for CDG it seems. The comms keep saying that bowlers like him have been doing very well in England. He also serves as a pinch hitter if we want quick runs.
Ave 36 with the bat. 32 with the ball at 2.4 eco. 25 tests experience not to be sneezed at.
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
No love for CDG it seems. The comms keep saying that bowlers like him have been doing very well in England. He also serves as a pinch hitter if we want quick runs.
Ave 36 with the bat. 32 with the ball at 2.4 eco. 25 tests experience not to be sneezed at.
Is he short of a gallop? He is in the mix for me, along with D Mitch Ajaz and Blundell for me(if we choose to take an extra batsman)
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I want them to bolster the batting with Daryl Mitchell and punt that swing will be vastly more important than spin. That also enhances our close catching of edges from the swinging ball and a Wagner bounce barrage.
@arhs said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I want them to bolster the batting with Daryl Mitchell and punt that swing will be vastly more important than spin. That also enhances our close catching of edges from the swinging ball and a Wagner bounce barrage.
Yeah - I'm leaning that way as well. Him or Colin.
Someone who can bowl a few handy overs and block up an end.
I think it's all very well talking about Big Kyle batting at 7 - but, if the Indians knock over our top order cheaply, we'll be pretty happy to have a genuine batsman at 7.
For reference, when we played them last year - CdG batted at 7 in both games. Ajaz played the first game (Wags didn't) and barely got a bowl. Wags came in for the 2nd game - got a couple of wickets and some handy runs. I wouldn't mind that team again - with Conway in for Blundell.
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If it comes down to CDGH vs Mitchell then surely the former gets the nod ? What has Johns son EVER done at test level with the ball ? His first class stats ( 80 wickets in 79 matches ) don’t exactly scream frontline bowling material.
Conway gets in at a canter but I’m not sure I’d want another inexperienced player in Mitchell there too.
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I have been searching for some kind of meaningful stat on how India handle playing with a Duke ball. Upshot is that there is little obvious change.
Given that the only real comparison is how they generally perform away against the Kookaburra I can't see much.Their average win rate against SA, Aus and NZ with the K ball is a little higher than against Eng and WI with the Duke.
The biggest differences in comparison are vs Eng (D) and Oz (K) - 14.5% v 17.3 and vs WI (D) and NZ (K) 17.6% and 20%.
So maybe a touch of an indication that historically the Duke is their least effective ball and maybe that the worst combo of all is the Duke in English conditions.
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If it comes down to CDGH vs Mitchell then surely the former gets the nod ? What has Johns son EVER done at test level with the ball ? His first class stats ( 80 wickets in 79 matches ) don’t exactly scream frontline bowling material.
Conway gets in at a canter but I’m not sure I’d want another inexperienced player in Mitchell there too.
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If it comes down to CDGH vs Mitchell then surely the former gets the nod ? What has Johns son EVER done at test level with the ball ? His first class stats ( 80 wickets in 79 matches ) don’t exactly scream frontline bowling material.
Conway gets in at a canter but I’m not sure I’d want another inexperienced player in Mitchell there too.
He's the best batsman of the candidates though - maybe excepting Young, who doesn't bowl.
I wouldn't expect him to bowl much - if things go well, not at all!
But, yeah - Colin offers more threat with the ball
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I have been searching for some kind of meaningful stat on how India handle playing with a Duke ball. Upshot is that there is little obvious change.
Given that the only real comparison is how they generally perform away against the Kookaburra I can't see much.Their average win rate against SA, Aus and NZ with the K ball is a little higher than against Eng and WI with the Duke.
The biggest differences in comparison are vs Eng (D) and Oz (K) - 14.5% v 17.3 and vs WI (D) and NZ (K) 17.6% and 20%.
So maybe a touch of an indication that historically the Duke is their least effective ball and maybe that the worst combo of all is the Duke in English conditions.
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I have been searching for some kind of meaningful stat on how India handle playing with a Duke ball. Upshot is that there is little obvious change.
Given that the only real comparison is how they generally perform away against the Kookaburra I can't see much.Their average win rate against SA, Aus and NZ with the K ball is a little higher than against Eng and WI with the Duke.
The biggest differences in comparison are vs Eng (D) and Oz (K) - 14.5% v 17.3 and vs WI (D) and NZ (K) 17.6% and 20%.
So maybe a touch of an indication that historically the Duke is their least effective ball and maybe that the worst combo of all is the Duke in English conditions.
I had a quick look on cricinfo going through their current players stats in England. Doesnt make great reading.
10 tests in England Kohli only averages 36.Sub continent teams have historically struggled in seam/swing friendly countries like England and NZ. Though this current and recent Indian side differs alot from past teams.
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I have been searching for some kind of meaningful stat on how India handle playing with a Duke ball. Upshot is that there is little obvious change.
Given that the only real comparison is how they generally perform away against the Kookaburra I can't see much.Their average win rate against SA, Aus and NZ with the K ball is a little higher than against Eng and WI with the Duke.
The biggest differences in comparison are vs Eng (D) and Oz (K) - 14.5% v 17.3 and vs WI (D) and NZ (K) 17.6% and 20%.
So maybe a touch of an indication that historically the Duke is their least effective ball and maybe that the worst combo of all is the Duke in English conditions.
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i see the logic in picking CDG at 7.
On his day he can nick the odd wicket out and he can certainly club the shit out of any bowling attack. A quick counter attacking 50 might be a huge help. Only issue is hes hardly played the last 12 months.But id be far more confident then having him over Satnav.
I did hope Mitchell might have done more with his 1 chance but it didnt come to much.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If it comes down to CDGH vs Mitchell then surely the former gets the nod ? What has Johns son EVER done at test level with the ball ? His first class stats ( 80 wickets in 79 matches ) don’t exactly scream frontline bowling material.
Conway gets in at a canter but I’m not sure I’d want another inexperienced player in Mitchell there too.
He's the best batsman of the candidates though - maybe excepting Young, who doesn't bowl.
I wouldn't expect him to bowl much - if things go well, not at all!
But, yeah - Colin offers more threat with the ball
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If it comes down to CDGH vs Mitchell then surely the former gets the nod ? What has Johns son EVER done at test level with the ball ? His first class stats ( 80 wickets in 79 matches ) don’t exactly scream frontline bowling material.
Conway gets in at a canter but I’m not sure I’d want another inexperienced player in Mitchell there too.
He's the best batsman of the candidates though - maybe excepting Young, who doesn't bowl.
I wouldn't expect him to bowl much - if things go well, not at all!
But, yeah - Colin offers more threat with the ball
Possibly better than CDGH, not definitely.
Young isn’t in this discussion as he’s very much a specialist batsman who will be counting the days til Rossco calls time.
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i see the logic in picking CDG at 7.
On his day he can nick the odd wicket out and he can certainly club the shit out of any bowling attack. A quick counter attacking 50 might be a huge help. Only issue is hes hardly played the last 12 months.But id be far more confident then having him over Satnav.
I did hope Mitchell might have done more with his 1 chance but it didnt come to much.
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
i see the logic in picking CDG at 7.
On his day he can nick the odd wicket out and he can certainly club the shit out of any bowling attack. A quick counter attacking 50 might be a huge help. Only issue is hes hardly played the last 12 months.But id be far more confident then having him over Satnav.
I did hope Mitchell might have done more with his 1 chance but it didnt come to much.
You’ve summed him up pretty well, he has the aura ( particularly on here ) of someone who has fluked a very good test career so far but is moments away from being found out by the top sides.
His figures in both disciplines don’t lie though. If it were up to me he’s in a straight shootout with Patel for a spot in the team. Knowing Stead he’ll chuck Santner and Mitchell in as options too.
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@arhs said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I want them to bolster the batting with Daryl Mitchell and punt that swing will be vastly more important than spin. That also enhances our close catching of edges from the swinging ball and a Wagner bounce barrage.
Yeah - I'm leaning that way as well. Him or Colin.
Someone who can bowl a few handy overs and block up an end.
I think it's all very well talking about Big Kyle batting at 7 - but, if the Indians knock over our top order cheaply, we'll be pretty happy to have a genuine batsman at 7.
For reference, when we played them last year - CdG batted at 7 in both games. Ajaz played the first game (Wags didn't) and barely got a bowl. Wags came in for the 2nd game - got a couple of wickets and some handy runs. I wouldn't mind that team again - with Conway in for Blundell.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If it comes down to CDGH vs Mitchell then surely the former gets the nod ? What has Johns son EVER done at test level with the ball ? His first class stats ( 80 wickets in 79 matches ) don’t exactly scream frontline bowling material.
Conway gets in at a canter but I’m not sure I’d want another inexperienced player in Mitchell there too.
He's the best batsman of the candidates though - maybe excepting Young, who doesn't bowl.
I wouldn't expect him to bowl much - if things go well, not at all!
But, yeah - Colin offers more threat with the ball
Possibly better than CDGH, not definitely.
Young isn’t in this discussion as he’s very much a specialist batsman who will be counting the days til Rossco calls time.
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If it comes down to CDGH vs Mitchell then surely the former gets the nod ? What has Johns son EVER done at test level with the ball ? His first class stats ( 80 wickets in 79 matches ) don’t exactly scream frontline bowling material.
Conway gets in at a canter but I’m not sure I’d want another inexperienced player in Mitchell there too.
He's the best batsman of the candidates though - maybe excepting Young, who doesn't bowl.
I wouldn't expect him to bowl much - if things go well, not at all!
But, yeah - Colin offers more threat with the ball
Possibly better than CDGH, not definitely.
Young isn’t in this discussion as he’s very much a specialist batsman who will be counting the days til Rossco calls time.
I'm going with at least "probably" better. By pretty much every metric including first class and one day cricket, he's superior.
Other people have picked Young in their XI, but I agree - I can't see them picking him - thinking about it, I'd actually pick Blundell ahead of Young.
