Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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Not advocating for this, but those who have no issue with a five man tail playing Patel - why not play Henry instead?
Is this pitch going to turn that much that we forego the new ball in the first innings or bet the farm bowling Patel at one end and rotating the other four quicks in the second innings?
Another consideration is the toss - if Williamson is leaning towards bowling first (like the last two County games at the Rosebowl) then picking Patel is a bit of a defensive/hedge-your-bets type move.
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CdG is a fine no. 7 - if we want a specialist bat, fair enough, but an average of 36 at 7 is easily international class. I think his batting stats (SR 81.5) also reflect that his job is usually to go in and score quickly after the top 6 have put on sizeable score and they are angling for a declaration. The only reason not to pick him is bowling.
@godder From an Indian perspective, I'd love to see NZ pick CDG ahead of Patel or Ravindra.
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@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
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Cool. Tim Paine has given India the kiss of death.
A bonus chance to put some egg on face.
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Cool. Tim Paine has given India the kiss of death.
A bonus chance to put some egg on face.
He's got to say that (and pray like hell it happens) given recent results against us both.
BTW Tim, what's Australia's team looking like for the Final? ... what's that?... you're not? ...
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Just in case anybody didn't already think the Walrus was a bit of a douche ..
https://twitter.com/stephenjones9/status/1404350304485773314
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Just in case anybody didn't already think the Walrus was a bit of a douche ..
https://twitter.com/stephenjones9/status/1404350304485773314
And we had a PI poachee.
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@godder From an Indian perspective, I'd love to see NZ pick CDG ahead of Patel or Ravindra.
@newsjunkie said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@godder From an Indian perspective, I'd love to see NZ pick CDG ahead of Patel or Ravindra.
Ravidra Is not in the trimmed squad
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Just in case anybody didn't already think the Walrus was a bit of a douche ..
https://twitter.com/stephenjones9/status/1404350304485773314
And we had a PI poachee.
@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Just in case anybody didn't already think the Walrus was a bit of a douche ..
https://twitter.com/stephenjones9/status/1404350304485773314
And we had a PI poachee.
From the Pacific Island of South Africa ?
Pfft, his mighty motherland had to resort to stealing a colonial, and a ranga one just like that traitor Prince Harry at that.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
I'm not too bothered about it. I'd just think the batting allrounder is likely to be more use than the bowling allrounder - if you characterize them like that. I also have a memory of CdG's batting being pretty woeful in the CWC Final, when a slightly bigger and more fluent innings would have won it. On the other hand, his bowling was good.
We'll see. I won't be amazed to see both CdG and Patel play at the expense of one of our seamers - and Stead even signaled this possibility on 3 News last night.
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@godder From an Indian perspective, I'd love to see NZ pick CDG ahead of Patel or Ravindra.
@newsjunkie said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@godder From an Indian perspective, I'd love to see NZ pick CDG ahead of Patel or Ravindra.
Who are you picking for your team newsjunkie?
I'd be pretty happy to see Jadeja sitting in the stands. Big match player!
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
I'm not too bothered about it. I'd just think the batting allrounder is likely to be more use than the bowling allrounder - if you characterize them like that. I also have a memory of CdG's batting being pretty woeful in the CWC Final, when a slightly bigger and more fluent innings would have won it. On the other hand, his bowling was good.
We'll see. I won't be amazed to see both CdG and Patel play at the expense of one of our seamers - and Stead even signaled this possibility on 3 News last night.
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
I'm not too bothered about it. I'd just think the batting allrounder is likely to be more use than the bowling allrounder - if you characterize them like that. I also have a memory of CdG's batting being pretty woeful in the CWC Final, when a slightly bigger and more fluent innings would have won it. On the other hand, his bowling was good.
We'll see. I won't be amazed to see both CdG and Patel play at the expense of one of our seamers - and Stead even signaled this possibility on 3 News last night.
We have 10 world class players, I'd be seriously passed off if they left one of them out.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
I'm not too bothered about it. I'd just think the batting allrounder is likely to be more use than the bowling allrounder - if you characterize them like that. I also have a memory of CdG's batting being pretty woeful in the CWC Final, when a slightly bigger and more fluent innings would have won it. On the other hand, his bowling was good.
We'll see. I won't be amazed to see both CdG and Patel play at the expense of one of our seamers - and Stead even signaled this possibility on 3 News last night.
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
I'm not too bothered about it. I'd just think the batting allrounder is likely to be more use than the bowling allrounder - if you characterize them like that. I also have a memory of CdG's batting being pretty woeful in the CWC Final, when a slightly bigger and more fluent innings would have won it. On the other hand, his bowling was good.
We'll see. I won't be amazed to see both CdG and Patel play at the expense of one of our seamers - and Stead even signaled this possibility on 3 News last night.
Me neither. It’s a pretty silly argument really all things considered, It’s not like we’re comparing Gary Sobers and Imran Khan after all.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
I'm not too bothered about it. I'd just think the batting allrounder is likely to be more use than the bowling allrounder - if you characterize them like that. I also have a memory of CdG's batting being pretty woeful in the CWC Final, when a slightly bigger and more fluent innings would have won it. On the other hand, his bowling was good.
We'll see. I won't be amazed to see both CdG and Patel play at the expense of one of our seamers - and Stead even signaled this possibility on 3 News last night.
We have 10 world class players, I'd be seriously passed off if they left one of them out.
@no-quarter Yeah - It's why I'll be pretty happy if they decide the pitch doesn't warrant playing a spinner.
But, if Ajaz plays - then I'm not comfortable with a tail that begins with Kyle at 7. And I wonder about the merits of playing four specialists seamers - and a spinner - and just five specialist batsmen. It's unbalanced.
To counter Te Waio, we're going to have Cully at centre trying to fit everyone in.
The more I think about it - the more I'm leaning towards CdG plays regardless. :astonished_face:
Edit: MN5 - if that happens, then I'm much happier with Colin than Mtch Jr., because he's a significantly better 4th seamer.
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@no-quarter Yeah - It's why I'll be pretty happy if they decide the pitch doesn't warrant playing a spinner.
But, if Ajaz plays - then I'm not comfortable with a tail that begins with Kyle at 7. And I wonder about the merits of playing four specialists seamers - and a spinner - and just five specialist batsmen. It's unbalanced.
To counter Te Waio, we're going to have Cully at centre trying to fit everyone in.
The more I think about it - the more I'm leaning towards CdG plays regardless. :astonished_face:
Edit: MN5 - if that happens, then I'm much happier with Colin than Mtch Jr., because he's a significantly better 4th seamer.
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@no-quarter Yeah - It's why I'll be pretty happy if they decide the pitch doesn't warrant playing a spinner.
But, if Ajaz plays - then I'm not comfortable with a tail that begins with Kyle at 7. And I wonder about the merits of playing four specialists seamers - and a spinner - and just five specialist batsmen. It's unbalanced.
To counter Te Waio, we're going to have Cully at centre trying to fit everyone in.
The more I think about it - the more I'm leaning towards CdG plays regardless. :astonished_face:
Edit: MN5 - if that happens, then I'm much happier with Colin than Mtch Jr., because he's a significantly better 4th seamer.
Well you’ve certainly changed your tune since yesterday
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I can't see the alternative dimension where removing Jamieson or Wagner is balanced out by Patel and CDG. It just doesn't work.
I can see adding a spinner to the arsenal as we need to take 20 wickets.
I can see adding CDG to the four quicks to help with rest and rotation and give the last bat some support. -
I can't see the alternative dimension where removing Jamieson or Wagner is balanced out by Patel and CDG. It just doesn't work.
I can see adding a spinner to the arsenal as we need to take 20 wickets.
I can see adding CDG to the four quicks to help with rest and rotation and give the last bat some support.@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I can't see the alternative dimension where removing Jamieson or Wagner is balanced out by Patel and CDG. It just doesn't work.
I can see adding a spinner to the arsenal as we need to take 20 wickets.
I can see adding CDG to the four quicks to help with rest and rotation and give the last bat some support.The thought of either of them not playing absolutely repulses me.
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I found this a good read as the countdown continues, supposedly we were a whingeing D grade australia..interesting point of view
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I can't see the alternative dimension where removing Jamieson or Wagner is balanced out by Patel and CDG. It just doesn't work.
I can see adding a spinner to the arsenal as we need to take 20 wickets.
I can see adding CDG to the four quicks to help with rest and rotation and give the last bat some support.@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I can't see the alternative dimension where removing Jamieson or Wagner is balanced out by Patel and CDG. It just doesn't work.
I can see adding a spinner to the arsenal as we need to take 20 wickets.
I can see adding CDG to the four quicks to help with rest and rotation and give the last bat some support.Actually, I think it would be Boult or Wagner.
I simply don't think we should play five specialist bowlers - so if Ajaz plays, it's got to be because they think he'll provide more value than one of of the four best seamers.
