Super Rugby Trans Tasman
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@bones lol after the Waratahs try where he blatantly impeded the Canes from tackling the ball carrier, I’m surprised he’s even reffing this week. That was also after an obvious crooked throw aswell which made it even more sceptical.
@canes4life said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@bones lol after the Waratahs try where he blatantly impeded the Canes from tackling the ball carrier, I’m surprised he’s even reffing this week. That was also after an obvious crooked throw aswell which made it even more sceptical.
Side note on that - can a TMO rule on a crooked throw? It's the touchie's call rather than the ref, but on replay that throw was clearly bent enough to be called back.
I'm less worried about the ref obstruction, his positioning was fine and if an All Black did it he'd be lauded for an intelligent play. Aaron Smith has been doing it for decades.
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@canes4life said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@bones lol after the Waratahs try where he blatantly impeded the Canes from tackling the ball carrier, I’m surprised he’s even reffing this week. That was also after an obvious crooked throw aswell which made it even more sceptical.
Side note on that - can a TMO rule on a crooked throw? It's the touchie's call rather than the ref, but on replay that throw was clearly bent enough to be called back.
I'm less worried about the ref obstruction, his positioning was fine and if an All Black did it he'd be lauded for an intelligent play. Aaron Smith has been doing it for decades.
@barbarian said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Aaron Smith has been doing it for decades.
I think the difference is that Smith isn't named as the ref, despite being in charge of the game.
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ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
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ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
Why would you entrust the development of potential future All Blacks to the coaching and administration that's overseen their current malaise?
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
Why would you entrust the development of potential future All Blacks to the coaching and administration that's overseen their current malaise?
@antipodean i was more meaning established ones, ones that might actually make a real difference to the aussie teams
Personally i'm starting to think the total control of the development of all players is hindering things a little, i just want to watch some interesting rugby and i watch a lot more SR and NPC than AB's so id like them to be better
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ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
I'd be ok if Japan was involved somehow, and you had to be a senior All Black to "earn" the dispensation. But Aussies are already struggling with depth, playing NZ players wouldn't help that and we would just end up with NZers playing for Australia.
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
I'd be ok if Japan was involved somehow, and you had to be a senior All Black to "earn" the dispensation. But Aussies are already struggling with depth, playing NZ players wouldn't help that and we would just end up with NZers playing for Australia.
@kirwan dont get me wrong, im not 100% for it, just kind in of in my head
the way i see it is more long term, a few NZ players help to make the aussie teams a bit more competitive and then, assuming AU was run properly, they use that to grow the profile and get more young players in
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@kirwan dont get me wrong, im not 100% for it, just kind in of in my head
the way i see it is more long term, a few NZ players help to make the aussie teams a bit more competitive and then, assuming AU was run properly, they use that to grow the profile and get more young players in
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kirwan dont get me wrong, im not 100% for it, just kind in of in my head
the way i see it is more long term, a few NZ players help to make the aussie teams a bit more competitive and then, assuming AU was run properly, they use that to grow the profile and get more young players in
It's worth exploring but probably needs some open thinking to be worthwhile. It may be a case that in order to get past the problems we have with isolation and stregth disparity that the franchise concept needs to be taken further to a controlled club like system where the best coaches and players aren't restricted by country.
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kirwan dont get me wrong, im not 100% for it, just kind in of in my head
the way i see it is more long term, a few NZ players help to make the aussie teams a bit more competitive and then, assuming AU was run properly, they use that to grow the profile and get more young players in
It's worth exploring but probably needs some open thinking to be worthwhile. It may be a case that in order to get past the problems we have with isolation and stregth disparity that the franchise concept needs to be taken further to a controlled club like system where the best coaches and players aren't restricted by country.
@crucial agreed, i really wish NZR had spent more time making the franchises more attractive as far as outside investment and left the AB's alone, they way there running things the AB's are the only thing people think is worth anything and really limits things
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@kirwan dont get me wrong, im not 100% for it, just kind in of in my head
the way i see it is more long term, a few NZ players help to make the aussie teams a bit more competitive and then, assuming AU was run properly, they use that to grow the profile and get more young players in
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@nta part of speculation is hope
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
I'd be ok if Japan was involved somehow, and you had to be a senior All Black to "earn" the dispensation. But Aussies are already struggling with depth, playing NZ players wouldn't help that and we would just end up with NZers playing for Australia.
@kirwan Daniel Braid was arguably in career best form when he played for the Reds, but was ineligible for both ABs and Wobbs.
I personally think there are grounds for a few marquee players to be given the option, especially if in the same comp as I think it would help the comp and the profile of the Aus/PI/Japanese team if this is where things go
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ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
I don't think it would really do much. The kind of players Australia need are the ones that provide depth. Squad players who are pushing to make the first 15/get selected in the wider AB squad. You'd get maybe a handful of tenured ABs moving over, or guys who aren't good enough.
Won't fix shit.
I like the Champions Cup style format. That way the domestic comp can be what each country needs it to be locally (ideally in Aus that'd be something with a national footprint - say 10 teams). Then we can have a few games where the Kiwis rack up cricket scores against Japan or Aus opponents and pat themselves on the back for being the bestest.
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I don't think it would really do much. The kind of players Australia need are the ones that provide depth. Squad players who are pushing to make the first 15/get selected in the wider AB squad. You'd get maybe a handful of tenured ABs moving over, or guys who aren't good enough.
Won't fix shit.
I like the Champions Cup style format. That way the domestic comp can be what each country needs it to be locally (ideally in Aus that'd be something with a national footprint - say 10 teams). Then we can have a few games where the Kiwis rack up cricket scores against Japan or Aus opponents and pat themselves on the back for being the bestest.
@derpus i wouldnt be adverse to that but i would want ours to be the NPC rather the SRA and most people are against that idea
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@derpus i wouldnt be adverse to that but i would want ours to be the NPC rather the SRA and most people are against that idea
@kiwiwomble and if we follow a Champions Cup format we can just get on with our own shit without having to worry about what the other party is doing. You wanna go back to NPC? great, our best 2 can play the best 2 NPC teams.
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Maybe we need the Trans Ta$man company first, then Aotearoa. It’s been a let down for me so far.
Aussies are getting chewed up and spat out.
@kirwan said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Maybe we need the Trans Ta$man company first, then Aotearoa. It’s been a let down for me so far.
Aussies are getting chewed up and spat out.
If they are going come play with the big boys, five Aussie teams is far too many. They simply don't have the playing depth to compete.
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@frye said in Force v Highlanders:
Almost like Australia would be better off with 3-4 teams...
Not really.
Better coaching and better systems would be more help.
@nta said in Force v Highlanders:
@frye said in Force v Highlanders:
Almost like Australia would be better off with 3-4 teams...
Not really.
Better coaching and better systems would be more help.
Maybe, but in hindsight neither is it the height of arrogance, just to suggest it, that many thought it to be last year.
