Super Rugby Trans Tasman
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Some excellent insights. Combo's count. For RWC 10-12-13 crucial. Essential for Oz to stay playing NZ teams. AB success built on Super and NPC, in particular familiarity. Why grey AB strip cost them Cardiff quarter.
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Perhaps NSW and Queensland playing in a reworked NPC?
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@frye said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The 10-0 start is simply proving beyond doubt that the right move was made in cutting the Force a couple of years back. Aussie rugby fans have a choice: maximum number of teams, or a lesser number of competitive teams. Going from 5 to 4 is only losing 35 or so professional contracts, of whom only a handful might go overseas but the balance of the squad who are any good would strengthen the other four teams.
Yes but the NZRU offered Australia just two professional teams and they told us to get stuffed. Now we are creating Pacific Islands teams.
I 100% agree that Australia only having 4 teams is a clear and obvious way forward.
Have you got a source for that?
Not a statement from the NZRU but it was widely reported in the media last year. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300053117/nz-rugby-super-rugby-review-identifies-eightteam-model-as-optimal-format
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@frye said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The 10-0 start is simply proving beyond doubt that the right move was made in cutting the Force a couple of years back. Aussie rugby fans have a choice: maximum number of teams, or a lesser number of competitive teams. Going from 5 to 4 is only losing 35 or so professional contracts, of whom only a handful might go overseas but the balance of the squad who are any good would strengthen the other four teams.
Yes but the NZRU offered Australia just two professional teams and they told us to get stuffed. Now we are creating Pacific Islands teams.
I 100% agree that Australia only having 4 teams is a clear and obvious way forward.
Have you got a source for that?
Not a statement from the NZRU but it was widely reported in the media last year. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300053117/nz-rugby-super-rugby-review-identifies-eightteam-model-as-optimal-format
Throw in Sunwolves and Jaguars to make Super X?
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The 10-0 start is simply proving beyond doubt that the right move was made in cutting the Force a couple of years back. Aussie rugby fans have a choice: maximum number of teams, or a lesser number of competitive teams. Going from 5 to 4 is only losing 35 or so professional contracts, of whom only a handful might go overseas but the balance of the squad who are any good would strengthen the other four teams.
@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The 10-0 start is simply proving beyond doubt that the right move was made in cutting the Force a couple of years back. Aussie rugby fans have a choice: maximum number of teams, or a lesser number of competitive teams. Going from 5 to 4 is only losing 35 or so professional contracts, of whom only a handful might go overseas but the balance of the squad who are any good would strengthen the other four teams.
Maybe need to think about some form of first and second division, with promotion/relegation?
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@shark if you actually look at win percentage and overall success in the comp only the Brumbies have ever been consistently competitive. And even they only won the comp a couple times more than a decade ago.
I love this fantasy world you guys have concocted where RA are gunna start cutting teams to ensure SR is suitable for NZ.
Setting aside the competitive arguments, cutting teams is clearly not what fans want, so why should they. What's the point of rugby? Plus who do you cut? Force are probably the second best supported side.
@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark if you actually look at win percentage and overall success in the comp only the Brumbies have ever been consistently competitive. And even they only won the comp a couple times more than a decade ago.
I love this fantasy world you guys have concocted where RA are gunna start cutting teams to ensure SR is suitable for NZ.
Setting aside the competitive arguments, cutting teams is clearly not what fans want, so why should they. What's the point of rugby? Plus who do you cut? Force are probably the second best supported side.
Huh? In your first paragraph you state that the Brumbies have been the only consistently competitive Australian team. But then you say it's fantasy that RA would reduce their teams. The former statement is an argument for doing so. So you agree that the Aussie teams aren't up to it but just think it's ludicrous that RA - having already done it once - might drop a team?
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@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark if you actually look at win percentage and overall success in the comp only the Brumbies have ever been consistently competitive. And even they only won the comp a couple times more than a decade ago.
I love this fantasy world you guys have concocted where RA are gunna start cutting teams to ensure SR is suitable for NZ.
Setting aside the competitive arguments, cutting teams is clearly not what fans want, so why should they. What's the point of rugby? Plus who do you cut? Force are probably the second best supported side.
Huh? In your first paragraph you state that the Brumbies have been the only consistently competitive Australian team. But then you say it's fantasy that RA would reduce their teams. The former statement is an argument for doing so. So you agree that the Aussie teams aren't up to it but just think it's ludicrous that RA - having already done it once - might drop a team?
@shark exactly. Hence we create our own comp, only this time with blackjack and hookers.
We don't have to deal with losing to you every week. We can expand rather than contract our national footprint and we don't have to alienate a group of existing fans.
The Super Au comp was already way more popular than any other comp or format we've had recently.
A regular TT with only 3 Australian teams would represent at least as much of a gamble, mainly because there is no guarantee it will actually make us competitive.
It seems just as likely to me that you cut a couple of teams to make us more competitive, alienate a bunch of funs, lose a bunch more players overseas and we continue to suck just as much.
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@shark exactly. Hence we create our own comp, only this time with blackjack and hookers.
We don't have to deal with losing to you every week. We can expand rather than contract our national footprint and we don't have to alienate a group of existing fans.
The Super Au comp was already way more popular than any other comp or format we've had recently.
A regular TT with only 3 Australian teams would represent at least as much of a gamble, mainly because there is no guarantee it will actually make us competitive.
It seems just as likely to me that you cut a couple of teams to make us more competitive, alienate a bunch of funs, lose a bunch more players overseas and we continue to suck just as much.
@derpus ideally, Aus have more teams locally, and the top 4 play our top 4 (from proposed expanded or NPC comp in NZ)
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@derpus ideally, Aus have more teams locally, and the top 4 play our top 4 (from proposed expanded or NPC comp in NZ)
@taniwharugby happy with that.
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@taniwharugby is the way hope for a red card?
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@taniwharugby “Reds showed the way” - unfortunately Alex, you can’t all play the Chiefs each week….
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'Stop putting all these Kiwi sides on a pedestal'
Just Ardie, ok? He needs those extra inches.. -
The Breakdown put up an interesting fake table yesterday. A combined table of SR Trans Ta$man plus the second round of the domestic SR comps
(second round only because the domestic comps were home and away and TT is a single round)
So still dominated by the NZ sides but the Reds close behind.
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'Stop putting all these Kiwi sides on a pedestal'
Just Ardie, ok? He needs those extra inches..@nostrildamus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
'Stop putting all these Kiwi sides on a pedestal'
Just Ardie, ok? He needs those extra inches..I love how this joke still works in hilarious fresh new ways
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'Stop putting all these Kiwi sides on a pedestal'
Just Ardie, ok? He needs those extra inches..@nostrildamus and Blackwell.
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Here are your referees for Round 4.
Crusaders v Force
Friday 4 June, 7:05pm
Orangetheory Stadium, Christchurch
Referee: Ben O’Keeffe
Assistant 1: James Doleman
Assistant 2: Brendon Pickerill
TMO: Chris HartReds v Blues
Friday 4 June, 9:45pm
Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
Referee: Mike Fraser
Assistant 1: Nic Berry
Assistant 2: Jordan Way
TMO: Brett CronanHighlanders v Waratahs
Saturday 5 June, 7:05pm
Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Referee: Damon Murphy
Assistant 1: James Doleman
Assistant 2: Jono Bredin
TMO: Chris HartBrumbies v Hurricanes
Saturday 5 June, 9:45pm
GIO Stadium, Canberra
Referee: Paul Williams
Assistant 1: Reuben Keane
Assistant 2: James Quinn
TMO: James LeckieChiefs v Rebels
Sunday 6 June, 3.35pm
FMG Stadium Waikato
Referee: Graham Cooper
Assistant 1: Brendon Pickerill
Assistant 2: Ben O’Keeffe
TMO: Shane McDermott -
Here are your referees for Round 4.
Crusaders v Force
Friday 4 June, 7:05pm
Orangetheory Stadium, Christchurch
Referee: Ben O’Keeffe
Assistant 1: James Doleman
Assistant 2: Brendon Pickerill
TMO: Chris HartReds v Blues
Friday 4 June, 9:45pm
Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
Referee: Mike Fraser
Assistant 1: Nic Berry
Assistant 2: Jordan Way
TMO: Brett CronanHighlanders v Waratahs
Saturday 5 June, 7:05pm
Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Referee: Damon Murphy
Assistant 1: James Doleman
Assistant 2: Jono Bredin
TMO: Chris HartBrumbies v Hurricanes
Saturday 5 June, 9:45pm
GIO Stadium, Canberra
Referee: Paul Williams
Assistant 1: Reuben Keane
Assistant 2: James Quinn
TMO: James LeckieChiefs v Rebels
Sunday 6 June, 3.35pm
FMG Stadium Waikato
Referee: Graham Cooper
Assistant 1: Brendon Pickerill
Assistant 2: Ben O’Keeffe
TMO: Shane McDermott@bovidae Blues will be stoked not to get Nic Berry.
I'm pretty happy that the Canes also get a kiwi ref on Aussie soil.
