NZ cricket 2021
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@bovidae said in NZ cricket 2021:
If the ICC reverts back to points to decide the next finalists then playing only a 2-test series can have its advantages. There are 120 pts per series so that will be 60 pts per test win as opposed to 24 pts in a 5 test series. Of course, the NZ players want to play more, but you wouldn't put it past the ICC to tweak their system (again) to get their desired result.
They have changed.
Not based on series anymore.
12 points for a win, 4 for a draw. The leaderboard based on points per match.NZ are hamstringing themselves by only playing 2 test series at home. One of our away test series will be 3 matches. We will have 7 away tests and 6 home tests in this cycle. David White. H@te2 teSt cr!cket.
If NZ wants to give itself best chance of making final again it should be piling on the number of home tests v Bang and SL.
If NZ wants a few more tests because they actually like good cricket, then they should make the home series v SA 3 tests.
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@rapido Really? What's the point then if the teams don't play the same number of tests? The
BCCIICC should just decide who plays in the final now and save us the effort.An away tour to Pakistan, the first in decades, will be a big challenge for NZ.
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@bovidae said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rapido Really? What's the point then if the teams don't play the same number of tests? The
BCCIICC should just decide who plays in the final now and save us the effort.It's points per test. Which is similar as how the current cycle eventually got decided. Covid meant it changed to points per test. But the points were based on series rather than individual tests.
It's an imperfect system anyway, regardless. As in everyone doesn't play everyone.
I'm not sure if this is better or worse.
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Actually, I am slightly wrong.
Will be based on percentage of points, not points per test.
The standings, however, will be determined by the percentage of points (POP) system. This rule was brought in by the ICC after the pandemic postponed a few series in the previous WTC cycle, creating a discrepancy in the points system. But there is a minor change in that too. In the previous cycle, the POP was calculated keeping the number of series as the base. For example, if a team played 5 series in WTC instead of the scheduled 6, then the highest point it could get was 600 (120 points per series win). Suppose that team earned 450 points then its POP would be 75 as it achieved 75% of the total available points.
In the new system, the POP will be calculated with the number of matches played as the base. England are slated to feature in 21 Tests – the most – in WTC 2, which means they can earn 252 points if they win all. If they don't, their POP will be calculated on the percentage of 252.
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But still, NZ is at a disadvantage if it only schedules 2 test home series, and has any amnount of 3 test overseas series.
E,g, NZ will have 156 points available from its 13 tests in the next cycle.
72 of those points from home tests, 84 of those points in away tests. (Only 46% of the points will be in home tests)Even David White can figure out that maths.
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In comparison. Australia by hosting a 5 match ashes.
- Will play 18 tests. 10 home, 8 away.
- Will be playing for 216 potential points. 56% of those points will be in home tests.
- 120 home points, 96 away points.
More maths, that even David White could do. Or someone could do it for him and tell him.
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The reality for nzc is that every test loses money apparently.
So I'm sure nzc would love to have 3, 4 or 5 test series but we basically can't afford it.
Maybe that's rubbish that nzc are pushing, but given test attendance on week days and low capacity even for 'sellout' venues that makes sense to me.
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@rapido said in NZ cricket 2021:
But still, NZ is at a disadvantage if it only schedules 2 test home series, and has any amnount of 3 test overseas series.
E,g, NZ will have 156 points available from its 13 tests in the next cycle.
72 of those points from home tests, 84 of those points in away tests. (Only 46% of the points will be in home tests)Even David White can figure out that maths.
Given that our only three test series is in England and considering our recent form there, we are a lock for the next final. Only team that can throw a spanner in the works is Pakistan and that series will probably be played in the UAE.
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Anyone know the extent of Kane's elbow injury? I see he has had to pull out of the T20 in England because of it. The elbow has been hanging around for a while now. I have PTSD from Crowe's knee forcing him to retire a few years early, hope Kane is not going down the same path.
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@bayimports same as the last home tests against them didn't count either! I think those were the last of the future tours programme or something?
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@cyclops said in NZ cricket 2021:
The reality for nzc is that every test loses money apparently.
The result last week probably means every home test in the past cycle paid a healthy dividend on the whole.
NZC have the #1 team in two formats so if you can't market that then it is time to clear house.
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@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
@cyclops said in NZ cricket 2021:
The reality for nzc is that every test loses money apparently.
The result last week probably means every home test in the past cycle paid a healthy dividend on the whole.
NZC have the #1 team in two formats so if you can't market that then it is time to clear house.
Doesn't matter how good your marketing is the other major associations don't give a toss.
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Colin de Grandhomme hit 174 not out for Hampshire today batting at 6 and saving them from 221 for 7 to make 488 against Surry. This included a 114 run 10th wicket partnership, with the number 11 batsman making 45. Sadly Kyle
Jamieson pulled up injured after bowling just 6 overs for 10 runs for Surry. -
@daffy-jaffy said in NZ cricket 2021:
Colin de Grandhomme hit 174 not out for Hampshire today batting at 6 and saving them from 221 for 7 to make 488 against Surry. This included a 114 run 10th wicket partnership, with the number 11 batsman making 45. Sadly Kyle
Jamieson pulled up injured after bowling just 6 overs for 10 runs for Surry.Interesting to see Conway continuing to open in his stint at Somerset too. Good news of NZ if he can continue these quality returns.
Daryl Mitchell gets going today and I think that is all of the NZ contingent left playing the four day game after Will Young finished up.
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@daffy-jaffy said in NZ cricket 2021:
Colin de Grandhomme hit 174 not out for Hampshire today batting at 6 and saving them from 221 for 7 to make 488 against Surry. This included a 114 run 10th wicket partnership, with the number 11 batsman making 45. Sadly Kyle
Jamieson pulled up injured after bowling just 6 overs for 10 runs for Surry.Good news for the park cricketer. Not so good for Kylo. Hopefully he's okay
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@godder said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
@cyclops said in NZ cricket 2021:
The reality for nzc is that every test loses money apparently.
The result last week probably means every home test in the past cycle paid a healthy dividend on the whole.
NZC have the #1 team in two formats so if you can't market that then it is time to clear house.
Doesn't matter how good your marketing is the other major associations don't give a toss.
It doesn't matter whether the other major associations give a toss or not if our own governing body don't give a toss. NZC haven't schedule a home 3 test series since v SA in 2016/17.
It is when we tour the other major associations that we play, or have a chance of paying, a 3 test series. The problem is at home and what NZC decide to prioritise.
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The last time NZC hosted a 3 match test series was v South Africa in 2016/17.
This coming summer we will host South Africa sa marquee series but it will be only 2 tests.'Famously' NZC say they lose about $1m to host a test if it is not versus one of the big 3 England, India, Australia.
When NZ last hosted 3 test v South Africa, NZC had revenue of about 48-52m per year. And had $25 million cash in the bank.
Currently NZC has revenue of about $60 per year, and has $14 million cash in the bank. (albeit after a year where 2 of the Big 3 visited in 2019/20)
NZC's biggest revenue source is ICC distributions. The current agreement is for 8 year period 2016-2023 for $128m (I think $US). So about US$16m a year on average but is is being distributed in a hockey stick graph way with most of the payments being backdated to the years from about now until 2023.
NZC is not is in dire straits and never has been. Sure it has to make choices, one of the choices is more limited overs instead of tests. I hate this choice. But I hate that the 'blame' gets shift off NZC. I don't care if we only play 2 tests v Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, but if new reality is we only schedule 2 tests v Big 3 and I am to accept that then we need to compromise and make South Africa and Pakistan 3 tests when they tour.
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@rapido I submit that it is impossible to lose $1,000,000.00 in five days. There is no way ground hireage and other associated costs involved could possible total that much. I call the NZCC's bluff and ask them to provide evidence of this supposed loss.
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@higgins said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rapido I submit that it is impossible to lose $1,000,000.00 in five days. There is no way ground hireage and other associated costs involved could possible total that much. I call the NZCC's bluff and ask them to provide evidence of this supposed loss.
Yes, it's never really been challenged as a figure, or broken down. It's a figure put out by NZC about 2 years ago to justify their scheduling.
It might be they lose $1m of revenue compared to alternative of hosting 2 white ball matches. It might not, it might be bollocks.
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Another thing to keep in mind - is the next ICC 8 year schedule and subsequent revenue to be distributed. This will revert to having the World T20 every 2 years again. So their will be 4 WT20s and 2 World Cups in that cycle to sell TV Rights for etc.
We can expect then next 8 years ICC distributions to be rosy.
Balance this by the current WT20 was scheduled for last year, got postponed to 2021 and now moved to UAE. NZ's ICC distribution may be getting disrupted at the moment, although heard nothing of it.
