All Blacks v Tonga
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@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
Too many other options.. maybe he should move?
Are any of the other franchises searching for a fullback? The Chiefs could be if the DMac Japan deal is official.
Be interesting to see what Warren does with the Chiefs if DMac isn't around as this year most of the game was designed around him on multiple phases.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
Too many other options.. maybe he should move?
Are any of the other franchises searching for a fullback? The Chiefs could be if the DMac Japan deal is official.
Be interesting to see what Warren does with the Chiefs if DMac isn't around as this year most of the game was designed around him on multiple phases.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v Tonga:
I actually had a similar thought during the game. That maybe Bridge would make a better midfielder than wing. Similar style to Crotty. Not particularly fast or dynamic but just dare i say it…..safe.
Whatever position he is he shouldn’t be anywhere near the ABs.The fact he was given a rating of 9 in that player rating article just demonstrates the poor quality of journalism in NZ.
I’ve been saying he should be a fullback for the last couple of years.
The issue is his lack of foot work. An AB winger should be have top quality foot work that puts off defenders. Bridge doesn’t have it but every successful AB winger has had it. Even our wingers that were famous for running over people had great feet.
At fullback he could still do his tidy work at the end of the chain. Picking and choosing when to join the line would make space for others. He seems tidy under the high ball, not sure how good his kicking game is though
The problem he has is he needs to it at SR level. He seems unlikely to get game time there at the Crusaders. Maybe If Jordan is considered a winger now that will change (and Havili a 12)
@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Tonga:
I actually had a similar thought during the game. That maybe Bridge would make a better midfielder than wing. Similar style to Crotty. Not particularly fast or dynamic but just dare i say it…..safe.
Whatever position he is he shouldn’t be anywhere near the ABs.The fact he was given a rating of 9 in that player rating article just demonstrates the poor quality of journalism in NZ.
I’ve been saying he should be a fullback for the last couple of years.
The issue is his lack of foot work. An AB winger should be have top quality foot work that puts off defenders. Bridge doesn’t have it but every successful AB winger has had it. Even our wingers that were famous for running over people had great feet.
At fullback he could still do his tidy work at the end of the chain. Picking and choosing when to join the line would make space for others. He seems tidy under the high ball, not sure how good his kicking game is though
The problem he has is he needs to it at SR level. He seems unlikely to get game time their at the Crusaders. Maybe If Jordan is considered a winger now that will change (and Havili a 12)
In the middle of a match you get reaction posts not well thought out analysis. In a way that is interesting in itself as you a seeing what comes to people's minds first up.
With regard to you know who, it was, to me anyway, a critique based on his position. He's meant to be a finisher but has proven to only be able to finish if given an open run to the line. This was said before the match and proven true in the first minute. As the game went on the position only solidified.
But, the guy has rugby skills and a good head on him. I wish I had half his ability skill wise.
Trouble is that we don't want a winger that goes and does the centres' job for them (I'm assuming here that isn't part of a clever gameplay). The wingers job is to get that ball over the line after the work has been done and the opportunity created. Even those sticking up for him here can surely see that he lacks in that area.
Did he have a good game rugby wise? Yes. As a winger? Hell no. -
@duluth I always assumed the Crusaders would move him to fullback but it hasn't happened yet.
@nepia might be worth considering but I am not sold on him at 15 either. For me he is a handy utility Super player.
Apart from Rieko, not sure NZ has any other viable options at the moment. They all have their weaknesses.
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Highlanders maybe? Depends on Josh Ioanes form etc
It’s unlikely to happen while he still gets starts at the Crusaders. That will get more difficult when Goodhue and Ennor are fit, unlike most of this year
@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
Highlanders maybe? Depends on Josh Ioanes form etc
It’s unlikely to happen while he still gets starts at the Crusaders. That will get more difficult when Goodhue and Ennor are fit, unlike most of this year
I think he'd be ahead of Ennor in the Crusaders pecking order? Any Crusaders fans still left on here to give us some expert guidance?
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v Tonga:
I actually had a similar thought during the game. That maybe Bridge would make a better midfielder than wing. Similar style to Crotty. Not particularly fast or dynamic but just dare i say it…..safe.
Whatever position he is he shouldn’t be anywhere near the ABs.The fact he was given a rating of 9 in that player rating article just demonstrates the poor quality of journalism in NZ.
I’ve been saying he should be a fullback for the last couple of years.
The issue is his lack of foot work. An AB winger should be have top quality foot work that puts off defenders. Bridge doesn’t have it but every successful AB winger has had it. Even our wingers that were famous for running over people had great feet.
At fullback he could still do his tidy work at the end of the chain. Picking and choosing when to join the line would make space for others. He seems tidy under the high ball, not sure how good his kicking game is though
The problem he has is he needs to it at SR level. He seems unlikely to get game time there at the Crusaders. Maybe If Jordan is considered a winger now that will change (and Havili a 12)
@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
The issue is his lack of foot work. An AB winger should be have top quality foot work that puts off defenders. Bridge doesn’t have it but every successful AB winger has had it. Even our wingers that were famous for running over people had great feet.
100% this. It's the lack of footwork which is the big issue which is why he 'dies' at the defensive line so often.
I actually think Ennor a few years ago when he first broke through looked like a potential option at 11 - I thought he looked more suited on the wing. Since then he's been constantly injured and moved to 13.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
Highlanders maybe? Depends on Josh Ioanes form etc
It’s unlikely to happen while he still gets starts at the Crusaders. That will get more difficult when Goodhue and Ennor are fit, unlike most of this year
I think he'd be ahead of Ennor in the Crusaders pecking order? Any Crusaders fans still left on here to give us some expert guidance?
@nepia said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
Highlanders maybe? Depends on Josh Ioanes form etc
It’s unlikely to happen while he still gets starts at the Crusaders. That will get more difficult when Goodhue and Ennor are fit, unlike most of this year
I think he'd be ahead of Ennor in the Crusaders pecking order? Any Crusaders fans still left on here to give us some expert guidance?
If everyone is fit, who knows with Havili making a good fist of things at 12. Hopefully it will mean Goodhue back to 13 and Ennor on the wing. Can't recall if Ennor mostly played 11 or 14, but I reckon wing is his best position. He is not a quality midfielder at this stage.
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use of defections again...?
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v Tonga:
I actually had a similar thought during the game. That maybe Bridge would make a better midfielder than wing. Similar style to Crotty. Not particularly fast or dynamic but just dare i say it…..safe.
Whatever position he is he shouldn’t be anywhere near the ABs.The fact he was given a rating of 9 in that player rating article just demonstrates the poor quality of journalism in NZ.
I’ve been saying he should be a fullback for the last couple of years.
The issue is his lack of foot work. An AB winger should be have top quality foot work that puts off defenders. Bridge doesn’t have it but every successful AB winger has had it. Even our wingers that were famous for running over people had great feet.
At fullback he could still do his tidy work at the end of the chain. Picking and choosing when to join the line would make space for others. He seems tidy under the high ball, not sure how good his kicking game is though
The problem he has is he needs to it at SR level. He seems unlikely to get game time there at the Crusaders. Maybe If Jordan is considered a winger now that will change (and Havili a 12)
@duluth I agree. He looks like a fullback playing wing and I also would like to see him play more often at Super level but we know that won't happen.
I'm like most on here, can't stand him as a starting winger. He's weak in contact which is a massive part of test rugby. We need at least a battering ram who can break the advantage line in the big tests, and Bridge isn't that man for me.
I would have rather we went with Faianganuku as Clarke's replacement.
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@duluth I agree. He looks like a fullback playing wing and I also would like to see him play more often at Super level but we know that won't happen.
I'm like most on here, can't stand him as a starting winger. He's weak in contact which is a massive part of test rugby. We need at least a battering ram who can break the advantage line in the big tests, and Bridge isn't that man for me.
I would have rather we went with Faianganuku as Clarke's replacement.
@african-monkey if we went with Leicester we will lamenting his lack of pace and his slowness on the turn around. Sure, he wins the contact most times, but is that enough?
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
Highlanders maybe? Depends on Josh Ioanes form etc
It’s unlikely to happen while he still gets starts at the Crusaders. That will get more difficult when Goodhue and Ennor are fit, unlike most of this year
I think he'd be ahead of Ennor in the Crusaders pecking order? Any Crusaders fans still left on here to give us some expert guidance?
If everyone is fit, who knows with Havili making a good fist of things at 12. Hopefully it will mean Goodhue back to 13 and Ennor on the wing. Can't recall if Ennor mostly played 11 or 14, but I reckon wing is his best position. He is not a quality midfielder at this stage.
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@nepia said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
Highlanders maybe? Depends on Josh Ioanes form etc
It’s unlikely to happen while he still gets starts at the Crusaders. That will get more difficult when Goodhue and Ennor are fit, unlike most of this year
I think he'd be ahead of Ennor in the Crusaders pecking order? Any Crusaders fans still left on here to give us some expert guidance?
If everyone is fit, who knows with Havili making a good fist of things at 12. Hopefully it will mean Goodhue back to 13 and Ennor on the wing. Can't recall if Ennor mostly played 11 or 14, but I reckon wing is his best position. He is not a quality midfielder at this stage.
Wondering if we may have seen the best of Goodhue and will he struggle to get back to the level after such a long term injury?
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@nepia said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
Highlanders maybe? Depends on Josh Ioanes form etc
It’s unlikely to happen while he still gets starts at the Crusaders. That will get more difficult when Goodhue and Ennor are fit, unlike most of this year
I think he'd be ahead of Ennor in the Crusaders pecking order? Any Crusaders fans still left on here to give us some expert guidance?
If everyone is fit, who knows with Havili making a good fist of things at 12. Hopefully it will mean Goodhue back to 13 and Ennor on the wing. Can't recall if Ennor mostly played 11 or 14, but I reckon wing is his best position. He is not a quality midfielder at this stage.
Wondering if we may have seen the best of Goodhue and will he struggle to get back to the level after such a long term injury?
@nevorian TBH I dont think we got to see the best of him (19 tests in 4 seasons?) that said, probably the worst time to cop a long term injury as well, as he will have steep hill to climb to get back in black.
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@nepia said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
Highlanders maybe? Depends on Josh Ioanes form etc
It’s unlikely to happen while he still gets starts at the Crusaders. That will get more difficult when Goodhue and Ennor are fit, unlike most of this year
I think he'd be ahead of Ennor in the Crusaders pecking order? Any Crusaders fans still left on here to give us some expert guidance?
If everyone is fit, who knows with Havili making a good fist of things at 12. Hopefully it will mean Goodhue back to 13 and Ennor on the wing. Can't recall if Ennor mostly played 11 or 14, but I reckon wing is his best position. He is not a quality midfielder at this stage.
Wondering if we may have seen the best of Goodhue and will he struggle to get back to the level after such a long term injury?
@nevorian said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@nepia said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@duluth said in All Blacks v Tonga:
Highlanders maybe? Depends on Josh Ioanes form etc
It’s unlikely to happen while he still gets starts at the Crusaders. That will get more difficult when Goodhue and Ennor are fit, unlike most of this year
I think he'd be ahead of Ennor in the Crusaders pecking order? Any Crusaders fans still left on here to give us some expert guidance?
If everyone is fit, who knows with Havili making a good fist of things at 12. Hopefully it will mean Goodhue back to 13 and Ennor on the wing. Can't recall if Ennor mostly played 11 or 14, but I reckon wing is his best position. He is not a quality midfielder at this stage.
Wondering if we may have seen the best of Goodhue and will he struggle to get back to the level after such a long term injury?
That's crossed my mind too especially given he is down on pace anyway. Goodhue needs to be error free like he was the first few seasons to be fully effective. The last couple of seasons errors crept into his game a bit which is a shame
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Tonga:
use of defections again...?
"It was a bad day at the office against the best team in the world.”
Has he never heard of the Springboks or England?
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@african-monkey if we went with Leicester we will lamenting his lack of pace and his slowness on the turn around. Sure, he wins the contact most times, but is that enough?
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@african-monkey if we went with Leicester we will lamenting his lack of pace and his slowness on the turn around. Sure, he wins the contact most times, but is that enough?
It's more than George offers
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@african-monkey if we went with Leicester we will lamenting his lack of pace and his slowness on the turn around. Sure, he wins the contact most times, but is that enough?
It's more than George offers
@booboo said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@african-monkey if we went with Leicester we will lamenting his lack of pace and his slowness on the turn around. Sure, he wins the contact most times, but is that enough?
It's more than George offers
and the ABs weren't turning around that often in that game..
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Tonga:
use of defections again...?
"It was a bad day at the office against the best team in the world.”
Has he never heard of the Springboks or England?
@booboo god, imagine if we played England or SA last night, we woulda been on the end of 100 point hiding!
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@african-monkey if we went with Leicester we will lamenting his lack of pace and his slowness on the turn around. Sure, he wins the contact most times, but is that enough?
It's more than George offers
and the ABs weren't turning around that often in that game..
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v Tonga:
@african-monkey if we went with Leicester we will lamenting his lack of pace and his slowness on the turn around. Sure, he wins the contact most times, but is that enough?
It's more than George offers
and the ABs weren't turning around that often in that game..
I was meaning against the top teams. Happy for him to have a go though, but I don't think he is the answer we are looking for. Also happy to be wrong. For what it's worth, I prefer big Leicester than Bridge for the Saders.
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I dont understand why people are bagging this game as a fixture. Sure the result was never in doubt, and yeah, it wasn't a spectacle for AB supporters. But has anyone asked the Tongan players or fans if they'd prefer not to play? I didn't see any sad fans in the crowd.
I couldn't believe it when I saw a while back that we had only played them 6 times in our history (now 7). That's a disgrace when you think of their contribution to our culture and the game in NZ.
Of course I get the money angle, and of course they'd be "better off" playing a team closer to their ability. But we shouldn't be denying them opportunities like this.
