Tennis
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@MajorRage hilarious, they are really flapping about now. So the argument they are making has absolutely no evidence, anywhere, to back it up. But we are just meant to all buy into it because.... feminism?
I've loved the response to all of this. The radical lefties stupid ideas took a big hit.
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I wonder what Serena thinks now? Ramos must be sexist if he is now picking on the males.
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She still can't let it go. I wonder what she will do with her coach, because his admission that he was coaching inconveniently doesn't fit Serena's narrative
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She still can't let it go. I wonder what she will do with her coach, because his admission that he was coaching inconveniently doesn't fit Serena's narrative
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Hang on, where basic stats don't show sexism they need to be broken down more? How about that gender pay gap?
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@majorrage said in Tennis:
She still can't let it go. I wonder what she will do with her coach, because his admission that he was coaching inconveniently doesn't fit Serena's narrative
To be fair, neither can I
I remember the time McEnroe defaulted his match vs Mikhail Pernfors at the Aussie Open. It is the only other time I can recall where a player kept winding themselves until breaking point. In the end he broke his racket and that was it. What I don't remember him doing was bitch and moan to the press afterwards that he was victimized. Serena should just shut it and move on
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The stupid thing here is that many commentators immediately started blurting out crap about how this never happens to men. When it's proven that it does, in fact 3 times as much, you get farking crickets. Any chance of maybe dialing it back or perhaps acknowledging they got it wrong? Of course not. It was never about the facts but about the narrative they wanted to believe and ram down other people's throats.
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Her husbands point is valid. But only within the bounds of the hypothetical situation he proposes. The problem is he has no data to back them up.
If men call a ref a "liar" 1000 times and get punished 10, while for every thousand instances of a woman doing the same thing they get punished 20 times that would be sexist and unfair.
But there is no data at all to suggest this and why would there be it seems like an overly dumb thing to keep a record of. Tennis annoys me like this in the same way football does. Adults getting babied when they can't control their emotions. Grow the fuck up accept you're playing shit. Either improve or lose with some fucking dignity.
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“I’m here fighting for women’s rights and for women’s equality”That fight was won long ago, she’s getting herself mixed up with Billie Jean King – The US Open introduced equal prize money for women in 1973, the Australian Open did so in 2001, and the French Open and Wimbledon followed suit in 2007. Of the 31 Grand Slam Tournament Finals in which she has appeared Williams has taken home equal pay 27 times – that’s 87% of ‘em.
She just walked out of this tournament with $1.85 million dollars for coming a churlish second! Our Serena has eked out career earnings of $90 million.
The US Open total prize money is $53 million including $21 m for the men’s singles winners (Rounds 1 to 4 and all finals) and $3 m for men’s doubles winners. The women? $21 m for the singles and $3 m for the doubles.
Prize money has grown from about $25 million in 2012 and $34 million in 2013.
Umpire Ramos was paid $653 for officiating the Williams – Osaka match. $653.
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Her husbands point is valid. But only within the bounds of the hypothetical situation he proposes. The problem is he has no data to back them up.
If men call a ref a "liar" 1000 times and get punished 10, while for every thousand instances of a woman doing the same thing they get punished 20 times that would be sexist and unfair.
But there is no data at all to suggest this and why would there be it seems like an overly dumb thing to keep a record of. Tennis annoys me like this in the same way football does. Adults getting babied when they can't control their emotions. Grow the fuck up accept you're playing shit. Either improve or lose with some fucking dignity.
@mooshld it’s valid but given stats are already 4-1 against their view, men’s meltdowns are going to need to be off the scale compared to woman’s for the point to be true.
It’s fucking pathetic. I’ve never liked Willians, but I’ve respected her big time. Not any more.
It’s unlikely but I’d love for her to be boo’d next few tournaments
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“I’m here fighting for women’s rights and for women’s equality”That fight was won long ago, she’s getting herself mixed up with Billie Jean King – The US Open introduced equal prize money for women in 1973, the Australian Open did so in 2001, and the French Open and Wimbledon followed suit in 2007. Of the 31 Grand Slam Tournament Finals in which she has appeared Williams has taken home equal pay 27 times – that’s 87% of ‘em.
She just walked out of this tournament with $1.85 million dollars for coming a churlish second! Our Serena has eked out career earnings of $90 million.
The US Open total prize money is $53 million including $21 m for the men’s singles winners (Rounds 1 to 4 and all finals) and $3 m for men’s doubles winners. The women? $21 m for the singles and $3 m for the doubles.
Prize money has grown from about $25 million in 2012 and $34 million in 2013.
Umpire Ramos was paid $653 for officiating the Williams – Osaka match. $653.
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Tennis:
“I’m here fighting for women’s rights and for women’s equality”That fight was won long ago, she’s getting herself mixed up with Billie Jean King – The US Open introduced equal prize money for women in 1973, the Australian Open did so in 2001, and the French Open and Wimbledon followed suit in 2007. Of the 31 Grand Slam Tournament Finals in which she has appeared Williams has taken home equal pay 27 times – that’s 87% of ‘em.
She just walked out of this tournament with $1.85 million dollars for coming a churlish second! Our Serena has eked out career earnings of $90 million.
The US Open total prize money is $53 million including $21 m for the men’s singles winners (Rounds 1 to 4 and all finals) and $3 m for men’s doubles winners. The women? $21 m for the singles and $3 m for the doubles.
Prize money has grown from about $25 million in 2012 and $34 million in 2013.
Umpire Ramos was paid $653 for officiating the Williams – Osaka match. $653.
I wonder what she has earned per minute played then? That stat would certainly show her dominance but also, most likely, that she’s only played 2/3 as much tennis for it.
I say make women’s tennis 5 sets, then come calling with your shit.
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Funny that 3 sets vs 5 sets, same pay never featured in the bogus women get paid less wages nonsense...
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@mooshld it’s valid but given stats are already 4-1 against their view, men’s meltdowns are going to need to be off the scale compared to woman’s for the point to be true.
It’s fucking pathetic. I’ve never liked Willians, but I’ve respected her big time. Not any more.
It’s unlikely but I’d love for her to be boo’d next few tournaments
@majorrage
From a piece I contributed on an Australian site - much like you I have long respected her achievements ... to date.
*"I’m not a tennis follower but I did have the good fortune to witness the sublime skills of Rod Laver, a gentleman; the calm demeanour and reliability of Ken Rosewell, also a gentleman; the long, successful reign of Margaret Court; and the beautiful natural talent of the universally loved Evonne Goolagong. We then witnessed Jimmy Connors bursting onto the scene, followed by John McEnroe, to introduce modern tennis, and we learned pretty quickly what brash New Yorker meant.
I have been fascinated by Serena Williams right from the jump though, and have stopped to watch her over the years. I have admired her exceptional power, physical ability and great success over the past twenty years, and I have marvelled at the discipline she must follow to contain her weight. She is often up against slim waifs from Europe at about 60 kilos maximum, 20 or 25 kilos lighter than her. As a big bloke I am conscious of the amount of extra roadwork one must do to remain in the game (rugby and boxing) especially from the mid 20s onwards."*
I don't know that she'll be booed - the Americans seem to show more affection for their flashy Carlos Spencers than their Dan Carters, dunno about the Frogs and the Poms at Wimbledon, but in Australia she has a good reputation and the crowds respond well to her.
She does deserve a jolly good booing as much as the person of interest to the Tokoroa coppers, the highest paid ex-pat-youse-blokes and un-Wallaby in the history of the known world.
I reckon though that her fitness may shorten her up considerably, and that she may be flat out getting to the next milestone (surpassing Margaret Court's record in majors or something). She is 36 now, well into slowing up age and, as I note above, destined to battle her size. About five years ago I saw her on the road in eastern suburbs Sydney with a trainer and it clearly was super hard work for her then. To find some sort of comparison I checked up on the similarly outstanding Margaret Court, who I remember as also being much bigger than her contemporaries. They were the same height.
Court stood down at 30 years to have her first child (1972), won three grand Slam singles and doubles titles the following year, had her second child in 1974 and that was that. She competed without success until 1977 but, despite her prowess and outstanding winner's mindset, age and children saw her out a couple of years younger than Serena Williams is now.
That's my theory.
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Personally I don’t think the 3 v 5 sets is a valid argument.
Surely if the women get the same tv viewership, attract the same sponsorship etc then they are as valuable as the men and should be paid accordingly.
Disclaimer: I haven’t done any research on whether this is the case.
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Personally I don’t think the 3 v 5 sets is a valid argument.
Surely if the women get the same tv viewership, attract the same sponsorship etc then they are as valuable as the men and should be paid accordingly.
Disclaimer: I haven’t done any research on whether this is the case.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Tennis:
“I’m here fighting for women’s rights and for women’s equality”That fight was won long ago, she’s getting herself mixed up with Billie Jean King – The US Open introduced equal prize money for women in 1973, the Australian Open did so in 2001, and the French Open and Wimbledon followed suit in 2007. Of the 31 Grand Slam Tournament Finals in which she has appeared Williams has taken home equal pay 27 times – that’s 87% of ‘em.
She just walked out of this tournament with $1.85 million dollars for coming a churlish second! Our Serena has eked out career earnings of $90 million.
The US Open total prize money is $53 million including $21 m for the men’s singles winners (Rounds 1 to 4 and all finals) and $3 m for men’s doubles winners. The women? $21 m for the singles and $3 m for the doubles.
Prize money has grown from about $25 million in 2012 and $34 million in 2013.
Umpire Ramos was paid $653 for officiating the Williams – Osaka match. $653.
I wonder what she has earned per minute played then? That stat would certainly show her dominance but also, most likely, that she’s only played 2/3 as much tennis for it.
I say make women’s tennis 5 sets, then come calling with your shit.
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Tennis:
“I’m here fighting for women’s rights and for women’s equality”That fight was won long ago, she’s getting herself mixed up with Billie Jean King – The US Open introduced equal prize money for women in 1973, the Australian Open did so in 2001, and the French Open and Wimbledon followed suit in 2007. Of the 31 Grand Slam Tournament Finals in which she has appeared Williams has taken home equal pay 27 times – that’s 87% of ‘em.
She just walked out of this tournament with $1.85 million dollars for coming a churlish second! Our Serena has eked out career earnings of $90 million.
The US Open total prize money is $53 million including $21 m for the men’s singles winners (Rounds 1 to 4 and all finals) and $3 m for men’s doubles winners. The women? $21 m for the singles and $3 m for the doubles.
Prize money has grown from about $25 million in 2012 and $34 million in 2013.
Umpire Ramos was paid $653 for officiating the Williams – Osaka match. $653.
I wonder what she has earned per minute played then? That stat would certainly show her dominance but also, most likely, that she’s only played 2/3 as much tennis for it.
I say make women’s tennis 5 sets, then come calling with your shit.
A painful truth is that SW (and probably many other women) would struggle with 3 long sets let alone 5. Add the heat at the Aus Open and you'd be getting defaults all over the show.
Women have played 5 sets before. I recall Graf playing Huber in 5 at a particular tournament. Grand Slam Cup I think. Was a great match by all accounts.
