Hurricanes 2022
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@mikey07 after last nights performance there is plenty of food for thought in terms of selections for next week, I’d start with:
- Rakete-Stones
- Aumua
- Lomax
- Scrafton
- Sangster
- Flanders
- Savea
- Iose
- Booth
- Love
- Rayasi
- Umaga-Jensen
- Sullivan
- Goosen
- Barrett
Pasilio Tosi showed how much of a beast he was in the NPC, if he could have a similar impact like Loni Uhila did back in 2016 then that would be a bonus.
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Concerning the midfield, I am surprised that no one has mentioned Bailyn Sullivan. he was the form centre during the NPC. I'd like a combo with 12.PUJ and 13.Sullivan.
I also hope Higgins could get some time on the paddock as he is a very good prospect. He is a strongly built second five, and he could be useful in a position where options are not great.@cgrant said in Hurricanes 2022:
Concerning the midfield, I am surprised that no one has mentioned Bailyn Sullivan. he was the form centre during the NPC. I'd like a combo with 12.PUJ and 13.Sullivan.
I also hope Higgins could get some time on the paddock as he is a very good prospect. He is a strongly built second five, and he could be useful in a position where options are not great.I was wrong when I wrote this a month ago. Proctor is an automatic choice in the midfield, even if there are players who are better than him.
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@cgrant said in Hurricanes 2022:
Concerning the midfield, I am surprised that no one has mentioned Bailyn Sullivan. he was the form centre during the NPC. I'd like a combo with 12.PUJ and 13.Sullivan.
I also hope Higgins could get some time on the paddock as he is a very good prospect. He is a strongly built second five, and he could be useful in a position where options are not great.I was wrong when I wrote this a month ago. Proctor is an automatic choice in the midfield, even if there are players who are better than him.
@cgrant said in Hurricanes 2022:
@cgrant said in Hurricanes 2022:
Concerning the midfield, I am surprised that no one has mentioned Bailyn Sullivan. he was the form centre during the NPC. I'd like a combo with 12.PUJ and 13.Sullivan.
I also hope Higgins could get some time on the paddock as he is a very good prospect. He is a strongly built five, and he could be useful in a position where options are not great.I was wrong when I wrote this a month ago. Proctor is an automatic choice in the midfield, even if there are players who are better than him.
You were bang on with that call - Sullivan looks the goods at 13.
If Proctor is at 13, I reckon he makes that break, but 100% he doesn't make that pass Sullivan did to Ardie.
That was a Conrad Smith pass. Right on the money.
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Certainly plenty of talent in this squad: looking forward to seeing Riley Higgins, Harry Godfrey, Cooper Flanders and Peter Lakai in action.
Also interesting to see Logan Henry has been selected even though he's 21.
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Certainly plenty of talent in this squad: looking forward to seeing Riley Higgins, Harry Godfrey, Cooper Flanders and Peter Lakai in action.
Also interesting to see Logan Henry has been selected even though he's 21.
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@canes4life Are Flanders & Love younger brothers of Devon & Ruben?
@foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:
@canes4life Are Flanders & Love younger brothers of Devon & Ruben?
I think Logan is Ruben's brother (he has a brother named Logan who plays rugby).
Cooper is definitely Devon's brother (youngest).
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@foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:
@canes4life Are Flanders & Love younger brothers of Devon & Ruben?
I think Logan is Ruben's brother (he has a brother named Logan who plays rugby).
Cooper is definitely Devon's brother (youngest).
@gt12 yeah Logan Love is Ruben's younger bro.
He's probably too small to make it to the big time but he's the first try scorer in the vid below:
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@gt12 yeah Logan Love is Ruben's younger bro.
He's probably too small to make it to the big time but he's the first try scorer in the vid below:
@canes4life @Stockcar86 and myself certainly enjoyed that particular match so thank you for posting it.
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@gt12 yeah Logan Love is Ruben's younger bro.
He's probably too small to make it to the big time but he's the first try scorer in the vid below:
@canes4life The last try scorer in that vid, Bethel Leutele-Malasia is also in the Hurricanes U20 squad. The double try scorer for Napier, Ethyn Martin, is already in his second year in the Reds set-up. Jordan Stok should have been in this Hurricanes squad (he's in the HB Academy). And the person who has moved out of the region - and I have no idea whether the Blues/Auckland have picked him up, poached by league - is the best player Napier had that year: Afa Moleli. I really hope he isn't lost to rugby. Some of the good Napier forwards, I have no idea where they are, either.
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Obviously sad to lose depth, but if we had to lose a hooker
Riccitelli off to the Blues next season, can’t link the FBook post
https://www.facebook.com/hurricanesrugby/posts/10158983814051335
Next three game. Chiefs next weekend instead of the Bye week. Just good luck that both team had the BYE
Then Crusaders on Saturday 9th (2 tough matches to win) then a midweek Pasifika catch up game on Tuesday.
Then the final NZ pool game against the Highlanders on the 16th
A good result from this will be 2 wins. Three or more a great result
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Next three game. Chiefs next weekend instead of the Bye week. Just good luck that both team had the BYE
Then Crusaders on Saturday 9th (2 tough matches to win) then a midweek Pasifika catch up game on Tuesday.
Then the final NZ pool game against the Highlanders on the 16th
A good result from this will be 2 wins. Three or more a great result
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@winger Can't recall the Hurricanes ever losing when allocated the Bye in their fixture list. This could upset that previously unblemished record.
@higgins said in Hurricanes 2022:
@winger Can't recall the Hurricanes ever losing when allocated the Bye in their fixture list. This could upset that previously unblemished record.
Im surprised how quickly the NZ pool games have been completed. I find the Aussie game a bit boring now (much better when the brumbies and NSW were strong). Hopefully the gap isn't so large this year. Although the Canes still lost one last year
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Any ideas how to fix the Canes?
I feel like we're the Blues of a few years ago. The board is complete shit and seemingly doesn't care about the fortunes of the club as the issues have been obvious for a long time now.
Lee has good years in 2015 & 2016 then oversaw a shambles of a situation with losing players and the Boyd / Plumtree conflict.
Now we've got a coaching group with IMO one of the better groups of young players we've had, but inconsistent and terrible selections meaning they have no chance to prosper.
Does anyone at the Canes give a shit?
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Any ideas how to fix the Canes?
I feel like we're the Blues of a few years ago. The board is complete shit and seemingly doesn't care about the fortunes of the club as the issues have been obvious for a long time now.
Lee has good years in 2015 & 2016 then oversaw a shambles of a situation with losing players and the Boyd / Plumtree conflict.
Now we've got a coaching group with IMO one of the better groups of young players we've had, but inconsistent and terrible selections meaning they have no chance to prosper.
Does anyone at the Canes give a shit?
@foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:
Any ideas how to fix the Canes?
I feel like we're the Blues of a few years ago. The board is complete shit and seemingly doesn't care about the fortunes of the club as the issues have been obvious for a long time now.
Lee has good years in 2015 & 2016 then oversaw a shambles of a situation with losing players and the Boyd / Plumtree conflict.
Now we've got a coaching group with IMO one of the better groups of young players we've had, but inconsistent and terrible selections meaning they have no chance to prosper.
Does anyone at the Canes give a shit?
I don't actually think it will take too much to fix the Canes apart from a complete wipe out of the backroom. They have the calibre of players to win matches, the problem is the quality players aren't getting enough opportunity.
Guys like Dan Cron have been involved with this franchise for far too long. The whole point of his role is to improve our scrum, yet it never seems to get any better.
Then there's Cory Jane, signed as an assistant coach the year after he finished playing. He may have a smart rugby brain but that doesn't mean it transfers over to coaching, especially only a year after he hung up the boots. He also has a connection with a lot of the players which is never healthy when you have to make tough decisions. (And is probably a factor why tough decisions aren't being made.)
Then there's Holland who was gifted the head coaching role after Plumtree abruptly took an opportunity with the All Blacks. He's proven on so many occasions that he's out of his depth but it seems that no matter what he does he never really faces any ramifications on performance.
I also liked Avan Lee at the beginning, but for a CEO he's been almost radio silent ever since he let Barrett slip away to enemy territory.
The only fix here is to wipe out the riff raff and get in experienced heads to fix this mess before we lose all our talent to other franchises.
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Any ideas how to fix the Canes?
I feel like we're the Blues of a few years ago. The board is complete shit and seemingly doesn't care about the fortunes of the club as the issues have been obvious for a long time now.
Lee has good years in 2015 & 2016 then oversaw a shambles of a situation with losing players and the Boyd / Plumtree conflict.
Now we've got a coaching group with IMO one of the better groups of young players we've had, but inconsistent and terrible selections meaning they have no chance to prosper.
Does anyone at the Canes give a shit?
@foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:
I feel like we're the Blues of a few years ago
Ha! No, there's a long way to drop before reaching those levels
Canes won their last two games against NZ sides. 4/10 vs NZ sides in the last two seasons
The Blues had 1 win against NZ opposition in 28 matches from 2015-2018
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@foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:
Any ideas how to fix the Canes?
I feel like we're the Blues of a few years ago. The board is complete shit and seemingly doesn't care about the fortunes of the club as the issues have been obvious for a long time now.
Lee has good years in 2015 & 2016 then oversaw a shambles of a situation with losing players and the Boyd / Plumtree conflict.
Now we've got a coaching group with IMO one of the better groups of young players we've had, but inconsistent and terrible selections meaning they have no chance to prosper.
Does anyone at the Canes give a shit?
I don't actually think it will take too much to fix the Canes apart from a complete wipe out of the backroom. They have the calibre of players to win matches, the problem is the quality players aren't getting enough opportunity.
Guys like Dan Cron have been involved with this franchise for far too long. The whole point of his role is to improve our scrum, yet it never seems to get any better.
Then there's Cory Jane, signed as an assistant coach the year after he finished playing. He may have a smart rugby brain but that doesn't mean it transfers over to coaching, especially only a year after he hung up the boots. He also has a connection with a lot of the players which is never healthy when you have to make tough decisions. (And is probably a factor why tough decisions aren't being made.)
Then there's Holland who was gifted the head coaching role after Plumtree abruptly took an opportunity with the All Blacks. He's proven on so many occasions that he's out of his depth but it seems that no matter what he does he never really faces any ramifications on performance.
I also liked Avan Lee at the beginning, but for a CEO he's been almost radio silent ever since he let Barrett slip away to enemy territory.
The only fix here is to wipe out the riff raff and get in experienced heads to fix this mess before we lose all our talent to other franchises.
@canes4life said in Hurricanes 2022:
@foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:
Any ideas how to fix the Canes?
I feel like we're the Blues of a few years ago. The board is complete shit and seemingly doesn't care about the fortunes of the club as the issues have been obvious for a long time now.
Lee has good years in 2015 & 2016 then oversaw a shambles of a situation with losing players and the Boyd / Plumtree conflict.
Now we've got a coaching group with IMO one of the better groups of young players we've had, but inconsistent and terrible selections meaning they have no chance to prosper.
Does anyone at the Canes give a shit?
I don't actually think it will take too much to fix the Canes apart from a complete wipe out of the backroom. They have the calibre of players to win matches, the problem is the quality players aren't getting enough opportunity.
Guys like Dan Cron have been involved with this franchise for far too long. The whole point of his role is to improve our scrum, yet it never seems to get any better.
Then there's Cory Jane, signed as an assistant coach the year after he finished playing. He may have a smart rugby brain but that doesn't mean it transfers over to coaching, especially only a year after he hung up the boots. He also has a connection with a lot of the players which is never healthy when you have to make tough decisions. (And is probably a factor why tough decisions aren't being made.)
Then there's Holland who was gifted the head coaching role after Plumtree abruptly took an opportunity with the All Blacks. He's proven on so many occasions that he's out of his depth but it seems that no matter what he does he never really faces any ramifications on performance.
I also liked Avan Lee at the beginning, but for a CEO he's been almost radio silent ever since he let Barrett slip away to enemy territory.
The only fix here is to wipe out the riff raff and get in experienced heads to fix this mess before we lose all our talent to other franchises.
The Holland appointment is probably the big one - the Canes have the weakest coaching group.
I think your point about development is the killer - few players are getting better there. How many new All Blacks have come out of the Canes recently? How many have got better?
Would Kirifi or PUJ be the latest? Pretty sad.
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@foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:
Any ideas how to fix the Canes?
I feel like we're the Blues of a few years ago. The board is complete shit and seemingly doesn't care about the fortunes of the club as the issues have been obvious for a long time now.
Lee has good years in 2015 & 2016 then oversaw a shambles of a situation with losing players and the Boyd / Plumtree conflict.
Now we've got a coaching group with IMO one of the better groups of young players we've had, but inconsistent and terrible selections meaning they have no chance to prosper.
Does anyone at the Canes give a shit?
I don't actually think it will take too much to fix the Canes apart from a complete wipe out of the backroom. They have the calibre of players to win matches, the problem is the quality players aren't getting enough opportunity.
Guys like Dan Cron have been involved with this franchise for far too long. The whole point of his role is to improve our scrum, yet it never seems to get any better.
Then there's Cory Jane, signed as an assistant coach the year after he finished playing. He may have a smart rugby brain but that doesn't mean it transfers over to coaching, especially only a year after he hung up the boots. He also has a connection with a lot of the players which is never healthy when you have to make tough decisions. (And is probably a factor why tough decisions aren't being made.)
Then there's Holland who was gifted the head coaching role after Plumtree abruptly took an opportunity with the All Blacks. He's proven on so many occasions that he's out of his depth but it seems that no matter what he does he never really faces any ramifications on performance.
I also liked Avan Lee at the beginning, but for a CEO he's been almost radio silent ever since he let Barrett slip away to enemy territory.
The only fix here is to wipe out the riff raff and get in experienced heads to fix this mess before we lose all our talent to other franchises.
@canes4life Yea. We're in a "start again" situation with the CEO/Board/Coaches IMO.
I just hope we don't lose PUJ, Rayasi, Flanders etc etc type players in the process.
Unfortunately the franchise seems to be okay with mediocrity now, so it's hard to see anyone willing to step down.
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@foobanz said in Hurricanes 2022:
I feel like we're the Blues of a few years ago
Ha! No, there's a long way to drop before reaching those levels
Canes won their last two games against NZ sides. 4/10 vs NZ sides in the last two seasons
The Blues had 1 win against NZ opposition in 28 matches from 2015-2018
@duluth I think we win those games cause we fortunately do have some killer players, none more so than Ardie.
Everything was roses after we beat the Blues, but in reality, the Blues were very tired and lost focus, and PUJ, Iose, Flanders, Sullivan & Ardie type players made the most of it. We shouldn't be in those positions to begin with.
