Hurricanes 2022
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@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
9 & 10 are your playmakers, so very important, so lets select a 9/10 combo & stick with it.
Whoever that ten ends up being in the long run, I hope we end up persisting with Cam Roigard at halfback aswell. He seems to be a smart footballer and has a sound kicking game which will take pressure off whoever that first five may be.
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
9 & 10 are your playmakers, so very important, so lets select a 9/10 combo & stick with it.
Whoever that ten ends up being in the long run, I hope we end up persisting with Cam Roigard at halfback aswell. He seems to be a smart footballer and has a sound kicking game which will take pressure off whoever that first five may be.
Yeah, he does look a good 9 & his option taking is pretty good.
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
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@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Hasn’t been the case this season for the Crusaders never played the same 23 2 games in a row.
What with injuries,Suspensions,AB rest weeks
AB’s have had heaps of rest in the Crusaders enviroment this season. -
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
Fair point, but don't think they've got the balance right, reckon it's part of the reason why the ABs are not performing that well - coaches could reduce the ABs work load at practice knowing they'll be on the bench in the next game... also on the other side of it every point is crucial, so if your best players are not available in matches could really hurt your chances of making the playoffs or securing home advantage.
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Hasn’t been the case this season for the Crusaders never played the same 23 2 games in a row.
What with injuries,Suspensions,AB rest weeks
AB’s have had heaps of rest in the Crusaders enviroment this season. -
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
@Chris-B said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
That's the point though if it's a grind, it's not performing at your peak. People who get stale stop performing at the highest level. Still very good and solid, but missing the magic.
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You won't hear it from the Canes, but fortunately Jacob Devery now posted this on instagram himself, so we know why he's not playing.
@Stargazer It is the Hurricanes after all so maybe they have not yet noticed their injury replacement player is himself injured.
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You won't hear it from the Canes, but fortunately Jacob Devery now posted this on instagram himself, so we know why he's not playing.
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2022:
You won't hear it from the Canes, but fortunately Jacob Devery now posted this on instagram himself, so we know why he's not playing.
It's not rocket science keeping the fans updated, would be cool if they had more regular updates.
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@Chris they have, this season.
The last few years though, Whitelock and Taylor in particular have played virtually the whole campaign
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2022:
You won't hear it from the Canes, but fortunately Jacob Devery now posted this on instagram himself, so we know why he's not playing.
It's not rocket science keeping the fans updated, would be cool if they had more regular updates.
@Canes4life Yep, especially - as in Devery's case - it's a serious injury. The poor bloke will be out for the SR season and - depending on how bad it is - maybe the NPC season. They don't even mention it. It doesn't matter whether a player is first choice or 4th/5th (or 8th for that matter). He's been part of the squad.
I wish him a quick recovery (but it doesn't look good, unfortunately).
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris they have, this season.
The last few years though, Whitelock and Taylor in particular have played virtually the whole campaign
I agree thats was true of previous seasons.
@Chris said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris they have, this season.
The last few years though, Whitelock and Taylor in particular have played virtually the whole campaign
I agree thats was true of previous seasons.
I can hold a grudge for years.
Hell, I'm still pissed at the ref for the Bob Deans try in 1905. We wuz robbed
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@Chris said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris they have, this season.
The last few years though, Whitelock and Taylor in particular have played virtually the whole campaign
I agree thats was true of previous seasons.
I can hold a grudge for years.
Hell, I'm still pissed at the ref for the Bob Deans try in 1905. We wuz robbed
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@nzzp Haha, if I were like that, I'd still be fuming over Cyril Brownlie's undeserved red card in 1925! We still won though!
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp Haha, if I were like that, I'd still be fuming over Cyril Brownlie's undeserved red card in 1925! We still won though!
not just won, we smoked them.
To be honest, we should be telling similar stories about Lions 2 in 2017. That last penalty still has me shaking my head, particularly given what happened the week after. Jumping to catch a pass and winning a penalty - we should be doing that all game, every week to hammer home how stupid it is.
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@Chris said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris they have, this season.
The last few years though, Whitelock and Taylor in particular have played virtually the whole campaign
I agree thats was true of previous seasons.
I can hold a grudge for years.
Hell, I'm still pissed at the ref for the Bob Deans try in 1905. We wuz robbed
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris they have, this season.
The last few years though, Whitelock and Taylor in particular have played virtually the whole campaign
I agree thats was true of previous seasons.
I can hold a grudge for years.
Hell, I'm still pissed at the ref for the Bob Deans try in 1905. We wuz robbed
I can understand that,I want to smack Carlos Spencer’s face every time I see it.
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@Chris-B said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
That's the point though if it's a grind, it's not performing at your peak. People who get stale stop performing at the highest level. Still very good and solid, but missing the magic.
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris-B said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
That's the point though if it's a grind, it's not performing at your peak. People who get stale stop performing at the highest level. Still very good and solid, but missing the magic.
As mentioned though it's about getting the balance right of resting ABs through Super Rugby - Hansen was completely resting ABs which certainly played it's part in us leading into that last RWC where we performed poorly, we finished bottom of the Rugby Championship, then hardly fired a shot at the RWC... South Africa didn't go completely over the top resting their international players & won both the RC and the RWC.
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris-B said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
That's the point though if it's a grind, it's not performing at your peak. People who get stale stop performing at the highest level. Still very good and solid, but missing the magic.
As mentioned though it's about getting the balance right of resting ABs through Super Rugby - Hansen was completely resting ABs which certainly played it's part in us leading into that last RWC where we performed poorly, we finished bottom of the Rugby Championship, then hardly fired a shot at the RWC... South Africa didn't go completely over the top resting their international players & won both the RC and the RWC.
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris-B said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
That's the point though if it's a grind, it's not performing at your peak. People who get stale stop performing at the highest level. Still very good and solid, but missing the magic.
As mentioned though it's about getting the balance right of resting ABs through Super Rugby - Hansen was completely resting ABs which certainly played it's part in us leading into that last RWC where we performed poorly, we finished bottom of the Rugby Championship, then hardly fired a shot at the RWC... South Africa didn't go completely over the top resting their international players & won both the RC and the RWC.
you ... know we beat SA at the RWC 2019 right?
I don't agree with yoru argument. I think we rest players for two reasons; to freshen them for the internationals, and because it is part of the value proposition in NZ. Play here, centrlaly contracted, and you play what 12 Super (plus playoffs) 10-ish AB games, and a handful of NPC. That's a workload people can thrive on.
You can see where players play too much. It gets into the grind, they lose their ability to lift, and it's all a bit samey.
