All Blacks vs Fiji 2
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@broughie said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bovidae I would prefer to have JB at fullback starting and leave Dmac out. He is bigger, more physical and can kick.
JB's kicking in Dunners was ordinary. No point being able to kick the ball a long way if it's aimless.
Fullback is definitely JB's best position but I don't think he is a certainty to start. If the coaches want to continue using the fullback as a second play-maker then DMac is the better option. I'd like to see the Mo'unga-DMac combo used in this game to get a better gauge of its merits against better opposition.
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Mo'unga and DMac have a history of being very ineffective when up against a committed and organised defense. I know that goes without saying as good defenses are harder to crack, but they've both been possums in the headlights at test level in those situations.
I have high hopes for both of them, they certainly have the talent, but it's the mental side of things that is found wanting when the going gets tough. Both, in my opinion, are still unproven at the highest level.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
JB might be the backup midfielder again this Sat but there is no way you can have BB, JB and DMac in the 23 if Mo'unga is starting too.
BB would be the one to miss out in that situation. JB on the bench.
how about jordie on the wing?......
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
JB might be the backup midfielder again this Sat but there is no way you can have BB, JB and DMac in the 23 if Mo'unga is starting too.
BB would be the one to miss out in that situation. JB on the bench.
how about jordie on the wing?......
How about Dane Coles at 7?
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I'd move Rieko to the left wing to solve that problem.
It's not like the Bok back three are giants. Like the loose forwards, the back three are all about a combination that complements each other.
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@mn5 And how many tries has Clarke scored? For people who go on about finishers, part of finishing is getting in the best position to score....
In terms of total tries, Bridge has a very good record - 11 tries from 12 tests.
Clark has only one from five tests.
However, Bridge's numbers are inflated by 5 against in Tonga in two tests, 2 against Japan, and 1 against Fiji.
If we compare their performances in the Rugby Championship (as that is the only international experience Clarke has), they are pretty similar.
In five tests, Clarke has one try against Argentina.
Similarly, in four tests, Bridge has one try in the Rugby Championship (although one against SA at the WC also).
None of that is counting the occasions when they both played in the same game and Clarke made a much bigger difference than Bridge e.g., Australia draw last year where Clarke came on in the 69th minute and made more metres in 11 minutes than Bridge managed in 80 while beating 4 men (Bridge beat one).
I thought that Bridge would be a similar player to BFA, but sadly he just doesn't have the footwork to be a force at this level. He can score tries if others create for him (like the try laid on by Havili this last week), but he doesn't create for others.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@mn5 And how many tries has Clarke scored? For people who go on about finishers, part of finishing is getting in the best position to score....
In terms of total tries, Bridge has a very good record - 11 tries from 12 tests.
Clark has only one from five tests.
However, Bridge's numbers are inflated by 5 against in Tonga in two tests, 2 against Japan, and 1 against Fiji.
If we compare their performances in the Rugby Championship (as that is the only international experience Clarke has), they are pretty similar.
In five tests, Clarke has one try against Argentina.
Similarly, in four tests, Bridge has one try in the Rugby Championship (although one against SA at the WC also).
None of that is counting the occasions when they both played in the same game and Clarke made a much bigger difference than Bridge e.g., Australia draw last year where Clarke came on in the 69th minute and made more metres in 11 minutes than Bridge managed in 80 while beating 4 men (Bridge beat one).
I thought that Bridge would be a similar player to BFA, but sadly he just doesn't have the footwork to be a force at this level. He can score tries if others create for him (like the try laid on by Havili this last week), but he doesn't create for others.
What ??????? He’s already the greatest playmaker the number 11 shirt has ever seen. Do you mute everything Justin Marshall says or what ?
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A couple of points from Parsons about the game:
Ball carrying quality was a big factor in our poor ruck work.
ABs had a strong emphasis on counter attack from kicks, with the midfielders putting a lot effort into getting back when Fiji kicked. Also ties in with keeping a loose forward near each sideline.
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At least there will be a crowd this week.
Hamilton is abuzz with less than 2000 tickets remaining for the final match of the Steinlager Series at FMG Stadium Waikato approaching. Set to kick off this Saturday 17 July, fans will be treated to an international rugby double header featuring the second Steinlager Series Test between the All Blacks and Fiji at 7.05pm, and the deciding Rugby World Cup qualifying match between Tonga and Manu Samoa at 4.00pm. With less than 2000 tickets left, fans are being encouraged to purchase tickets quickly or miss out on the first Test in Hamilton since 2019 as the Flying Fijians look to improve on their impressive showing in Dunedin. “We saw a fantastic contest in Dunedin and the atmosphere in Hamilton promises to be electric,” NZR General Manager Professional Rugby & Performance Chris Lendrum said. -
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
JB might be the backup midfielder again this Sat but there is no way you can have BB, JB and DMac in the 23 if Mo'unga is starting too.
BB would be the one to miss out in that situation. JB on the bench.
how about jordie on the wing?......
How about Dane Coles at 7?
@gunner said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
JB might be the backup midfielder again this Sat but there is no way you can have BB, JB and DMac in the 23 if Mo'unga is starting too.
BB would be the one to miss out in that situation. JB on the bench.
how about jordie on the wing?......
How about Dane Coles at 7?
I reckon Ofa could make a good 8, eh
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@mn5 And how many tries has Clarke scored? For people who go on about finishers, part of finishing is getting in the best position to score....
In terms of total tries, Bridge has a very good record - 11 tries from 12 tests.
Clark has only one from five tests.
However, Bridge's numbers are inflated by 5 against in Tonga in two tests, 2 against Japan, and 1 against Fiji.
If we compare their performances in the Rugby Championship (as that is the only international experience Clarke has), they are pretty similar.
In five tests, Clarke has one try against Argentina.
Similarly, in four tests, Bridge has one try in the Rugby Championship (although one against SA at the WC also).
None of that is counting the occasions when they both played in the same game and Clarke made a much bigger difference than Bridge e.g., Australia draw last year where Clarke came on in the 69th minute and made more metres in 11 minutes than Bridge managed in 80 while beating 4 men (Bridge beat one).
I thought that Bridge would be a similar player to BFA, but sadly he just doesn't have the footwork to be a force at this level. He can score tries if others create for him (like the try laid on by Havili this last week), but he doesn't create for others.
What ??????? He’s already the greatest playmaker the number 11 shirt has ever seen. Do you mute everything Justin Marshall says or what ?
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@mn5 And how many tries has Clarke scored? For people who go on about finishers, part of finishing is getting in the best position to score....
In terms of total tries, Bridge has a very good record - 11 tries from 12 tests.
Clark has only one from five tests.
However, Bridge's numbers are inflated by 5 against in Tonga in two tests, 2 against Japan, and 1 against Fiji.
If we compare their performances in the Rugby Championship (as that is the only international experience Clarke has), they are pretty similar.
In five tests, Clarke has one try against Argentina.
Similarly, in four tests, Bridge has one try in the Rugby Championship (although one against SA at the WC also).
None of that is counting the occasions when they both played in the same game and Clarke made a much bigger difference than Bridge e.g., Australia draw last year where Clarke came on in the 69th minute and made more metres in 11 minutes than Bridge managed in 80 while beating 4 men (Bridge beat one).
I thought that Bridge would be a similar player to BFA, but sadly he just doesn't have the footwork to be a force at this level. He can score tries if others create for him (like the try laid on by Havili this last week), but he doesn't create for others.
What ??????? He’s already the greatest playmaker the number 11 shirt has ever seen. Do you mute everything Justin Marshall says or what ?
When did Marshy say that?
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@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@mn5 And how many tries has Clarke scored? For people who go on about finishers, part of finishing is getting in the best position to score....
In terms of total tries, Bridge has a very good record - 11 tries from 12 tests.
Clark has only one from five tests.
However, Bridge's numbers are inflated by 5 against in Tonga in two tests, 2 against Japan, and 1 against Fiji.
If we compare their performances in the Rugby Championship (as that is the only international experience Clarke has), they are pretty similar.
In five tests, Clarke has one try against Argentina.
Similarly, in four tests, Bridge has one try in the Rugby Championship (although one against SA at the WC also).
None of that is counting the occasions when they both played in the same game and Clarke made a much bigger difference than Bridge e.g., Australia draw last year where Clarke came on in the 69th minute and made more metres in 11 minutes than Bridge managed in 80 while beating 4 men (Bridge beat one).
I thought that Bridge would be a similar player to BFA, but sadly he just doesn't have the footwork to be a force at this level. He can score tries if others create for him (like the try laid on by Havili this last week), but he doesn't create for others.
What ??????? He’s already the greatest playmaker the number 11 shirt has ever seen. Do you mute everything Justin Marshall says or what ?
When did Marshy say that?
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@mn5 And how many tries has Clarke scored? For people who go on about finishers, part of finishing is getting in the best position to score....
In terms of total tries, Bridge has a very good record - 11 tries from 12 tests.
Clark has only one from five tests.
However, Bridge's numbers are inflated by 5 against in Tonga in two tests, 2 against Japan, and 1 against Fiji.
If we compare their performances in the Rugby Championship (as that is the only international experience Clarke has), they are pretty similar.
In five tests, Clarke has one try against Argentina.
Similarly, in four tests, Bridge has one try in the Rugby Championship (although one against SA at the WC also).
None of that is counting the occasions when they both played in the same game and Clarke made a much bigger difference than Bridge e.g., Australia draw last year where Clarke came on in the 69th minute and made more metres in 11 minutes than Bridge managed in 80 while beating 4 men (Bridge beat one).
I thought that Bridge would be a similar player to BFA, but sadly he just doesn't have the footwork to be a force at this level. He can score tries if others create for him (like the try laid on by Havili this last week), but he doesn't create for others.
What ??????? He’s already the greatest playmaker the number 11 shirt has ever seen. Do you mute everything Justin Marshall says or what ?
When did Marshy say that?
Don’t quote me on it, I was drinking strong stout in a noisy pub so may have misheard.
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@gunner said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
JB might be the backup midfielder again this Sat but there is no way you can have BB, JB and DMac in the 23 if Mo'unga is starting too.
BB would be the one to miss out in that situation. JB on the bench.
how about jordie on the wing?......
How about Dane Coles at 7?
I reckon Ofa could make a good 8, eh
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gunner said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
JB might be the backup midfielder again this Sat but there is no way you can have BB, JB and DMac in the 23 if Mo'unga is starting too.
BB would be the one to miss out in that situation. JB on the bench.
how about jordie on the wing?......
How about Dane Coles at 7?
I reckon Ofa could make a good 8, eh
@Bones has hacked this account
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@gunner said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
JB might be the backup midfielder again this Sat but there is no way you can have BB, JB and DMac in the 23 if Mo'unga is starting too.
BB would be the one to miss out in that situation. JB on the bench.
how about jordie on the wing?......
How about Dane Coles at 7?
I reckon Ofa could make a good 8, eh
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@toddy said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I reckon Ofa could make a good 8, eh
He's no Carl Hayman
was waiting for this. Channeling your inner Fern
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A couple of points from Parsons about the game:
Ball carrying quality was a big factor in our poor ruck work.
ABs had a strong emphasis on counter attack from kicks, with the midfielders putting a lot effort into getting back when Fiji kicked. Also ties in with keeping a loose forward near each sideline.
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@mn5 And how many tries has Clarke scored? For people who go on about finishers, part of finishing is getting in the best position to score....
In terms of total tries, Bridge has a very good record - 11 tries from 12 tests.
Clark has only one from five tests.
However, Bridge's numbers are inflated by 5 against in Tonga in two tests, 2 against Japan, and 1 against Fiji.
If we compare their performances in the Rugby Championship (as that is the only international experience Clarke has), they are pretty similar.
In five tests, Clarke has one try against Argentina.
Similarly, in four tests, Bridge has one try in the Rugby Championship (although one against SA at the WC also).
None of that is counting the occasions when they both played in the same game and Clarke made a much bigger difference than Bridge e.g., Australia draw last year where Clarke came on in the 69th minute and made more metres in 11 minutes than Bridge managed in 80 while beating 4 men (Bridge beat one).
I thought that Bridge would be a similar player to BFA, but sadly he just doesn't have the footwork to be a force at this level. He can score tries if others create for him (like the try laid on by Havili this last week), but he doesn't create for others.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@mn5 And how many tries has Clarke scored? For people who go on about finishers, part of finishing is getting in the best position to score....
In terms of total tries, Bridge has a very good record - 11 tries from 12 tests.
Clark has only one from five tests.
However, Bridge's numbers are inflated by 5 against in Tonga in two tests, 2 against Japan, and 1 against Fiji.
If we compare their performances in the Rugby Championship (as that is the only international experience Clarke has), they are pretty similar.
In five tests, Clarke has one try against Argentina.
Similarly, in four tests, Bridge has one try in the Rugby Championship (although one against SA at the WC also).
None of that is counting the occasions when they both played in the same game and Clarke made a much bigger difference than Bridge e.g., Australia draw last year where Clarke came on in the 69th minute and made more metres in 11 minutes than Bridge managed in 80 while beating 4 men (Bridge beat one).
I thought that Bridge would be a similar player to BFA, but sadly he just doesn't have the footwork to be a force at this level. He can score tries if others create for him (like the try laid on by Havili this last week), but he doesn't create for others.
Talk about manipulating stats to get your point of view across. You don't work in academia, do you? :grinning_face:
From another perspective, you have proven that Clarke is a poor finisher. Something I have noted from Super rugby as well.
The only thing I will concede is that Clarke does have the potential to be a great AB. But right now, on current form and past performances, Bridge should be in the ABs ahead of Clarke. -
@frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Ben Smith was the world's best fullback. He never lost form, as he proved in his performance against Wales for 3rd/4th playoff.
Bridge looked initially like he might be Ben Smith v2.0, but the gulf between them is vast right now.
Oh, how we miss the good old back three with Smith, Barrett (B)and Ioane. Such talent by comparison, even with Smith at 14
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Ben Smith was the world's best fullback. He never lost form, as he proved in his performance against Wales for 3rd/4th playoff.
Bridge looked initially like he might be Ben Smith v2.0, but the gulf between them is vast right now.
Oh, how we miss the good old back three with Smith, Barrett (B)and Ioane. Such talent by comparison, even with Smith at 14
If you go back and watch the Tonga test, snip the good bits of Bridge and the good bits of Jordan out and you can reminisce on BFA.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Ball carrying quality was a big factor in our poor ruck work.
Holy shit I typed a whole rambling post about Laulala trying to say that, who knew I could have been that much more succinct.
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@bones the whole starting front row was poor, but Laulala and Bower in particular. At least Laulala can hit in defense.
@tim said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones the whole starting front row was poor, but Laulala and Bower in particular. At least Laulala can hit in defense.
Occasionally, but he’s also just another Owen Franks - makes 10 tackles, misses 2, and carries for fuck all.
We need more from our props!
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones the whole starting front row was poor, but Laulala and Bower in particular. At least Laulala can hit in defense.
Occasionally, but he’s also just another Owen Franks - makes 10 tackles, misses 2, and carries for fuck all.
We need more from our props!
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones the whole starting front row was poor, but Laulala and Bower in particular. At least Laulala can hit in defense.
Occasionally, but he’s also just another Owen Franks - makes 10 tackles, misses 2, and carries for fuck all.
We need more from our props!
Yeah, it gets annoying when they're there under the guise of being a strong scrummager - when what that translates to is - wins slightly more scrums on his own ball.
