Super Rugby 2022
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Does anyone ever get less than a 50% 'discount' on the punishment.
"He wore a nice shirt and his belt matched his shoes. Reduce his sentence"
@crucial Yes. If you had a citing/suspension in the last 12 months (no clean sheet), you may get - say - 4 or 5 weeks, instead of 3. Or if you dispute that you've committed foul play and don't admit to any wrongdoing (this may be Caleb Clarke). Then it could also be 4 weeks instead of 3 (if a mid-range starting point of 6 weeks is being applied).
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@crucial Yes. If you had a citing/suspension in the last 12 months (no clean sheet), you may get - say - 4 or 5 weeks, instead of 3. Or if you dispute that you've committed foul play and don't admit to any wrongdoing (this may be Caleb Clarke). Then it could also be 4 weeks instead of 3 (if a mid-range starting point of 6 weeks is being applied).
@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial Yes. If you had a citing/suspension in the last 12 months (no clean sheet), you may get - say - 4 or 5 weeks, instead of 3. Or if you dispute that you've committed foul play and don't admit to any wrongdoing (this may be Caleb Clarke). Then it could also be 4 weeks instead of 3 (if a mid-range starting point of 6 weeks is being applied).
I was being a smartarse. Just seems silly to have a system where you get a discount for saying sorry when saying sorry would happen in 99% of cases.
Remorse is a given as well. Usually remorseful that they can’t play and lose match fees -
@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial Yes. If you had a citing/suspension in the last 12 months (no clean sheet), you may get - say - 4 or 5 weeks, instead of 3. Or if you dispute that you've committed foul play and don't admit to any wrongdoing (this may be Caleb Clarke). Then it could also be 4 weeks instead of 3 (if a mid-range starting point of 6 weeks is being applied).
I was being a smartarse. Just seems silly to have a system where you get a discount for saying sorry when saying sorry would happen in 99% of cases.
Remorse is a given as well. Usually remorseful that they can’t play and lose match fees -
@crucial remorse gets taken into account in criminal courts too though doesn't it?
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial remorse gets taken into account in criminal courts too though doesn't it?
It’s a far deeper process of pre sentencing reports. Most criminals are well practiced liars.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial remorse gets taken into account in criminal courts too though doesn't it?
It’s a far deeper process of pre sentencing reports. Most criminals are well practiced liars.
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@crucial but point is, if you can get a reduced sentence for stabbing someone cos u iz soz, then why wouldnt a rugby player get a reduced sentence if they accidentally hit someone with thier knee?
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial but point is, if you can get a reduced sentence for stabbing someone cos u iz soz, then why wouldnt a rugby player get a reduced sentence if they accidentally hit someone with thier knee?
I think you are looking at the 'point' way too simply
On the rugby side everyone says sorry so why build it in as a reduction rather than adding to the standard if someone refuses?
In real life you don't necessarily get a reduction in sentence for being sorry. Remorse and apology form a small part of a bigger sentence assessment. If the judge believes the sincerity alongside other character assessments it gets taken into account. -
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Justin's take on mauls below.
It's been an issue for ages; just now that eveyrone is gravitating to BrumbyBall because it's high percentage rugby, he's waking up. Crusaders have been experts at it for years!
All I want to see with mauls is a re-balancing of risk/reward. The old way of 'one go only'; once you were stopped, it was use it or lose it would be a big step in the right direction.
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Justin's take on mauls below.
It's been an issue for ages; just now that eveyrone is gravitating to BrumbyBall because it's high percentage rugby, he's waking up. Crusaders have been experts at it for years!
All I want to see with mauls is a re-balancing of risk/reward. The old way of 'one go only'; once you were stopped, it was use it or lose it would be a big step in the right direction.
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@nzzp sideways or backwards (from the attacking team) movement should be considered stopped too.
@taniwharugby I'm surprised it's taken as long as it has for people to start grizzling about it more widely.
It also reflects the quality of the defences, and the lack of incentive to throw it wide.
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If they enforced the laws about joining a maul it would be a lot more even, but they don’t. Really the only way to join should be behind the ball carrier, but people slip in beside or just in front all the time. Make it that you have to receive the ball when you join, and that would ensure no offside joins, and make it much harder! And the use it should be better enforced, too
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Justin's take on mauls below.
It's been an issue for ages; just now that eveyrone is gravitating to BrumbyBall because it's high percentage rugby, he's waking up. Crusaders have been experts at it for years!
All I want to see with mauls is a re-balancing of risk/reward. The old way of 'one go only'; once you were stopped, it was use it or lose it would be a big step in the right direction.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
All I want to see with mauls is a re-balancing of risk/reward. The old way of 'one go only'; once you were stopped, it was use it or lose it would be a big step in the right direction.
Good call
I think it was Peter Thorburn that came up with the two attempts rule. The logic was that mauls were disappearing from the game with only one stop allowed.
That wouldn't be the case now. Mauls are too efficient and the risk is low. With only one stop we'd probably see less yellow cards too
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OK, getting to the pointy end now. It's an 8 team finals series FFS.
So, who's the 4 teams who miss out?
Drua, Moana Pasifica,
then probably Rebels and Force after the AUS/NZ games.insert participation trophy here. Seriously, would a 6 team series not be enough?
https://super.rugby/superrugby/about-super-rugby/tournament-format/
Three-week playoff format involving the top eight teams on the overall competition table with quarters, semis and final as follows:
Quarterfinals – 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 with the top-ranked team hosting
Semi-Finals – top-ranked quarter-final winner hosts against lowest-ranked quarter-final winner & 2nd highest ranked quarterfinal winner hosts 3rd highest ranked winner
Final – top-ranked semi-final winner hosts the other semi-final winner. -
Justin's take on mauls below.
It's been an issue for ages; just now that eveyrone is gravitating to BrumbyBall because it's high percentage rugby, he's waking up. Crusaders have been experts at it for years!
All I want to see with mauls is a re-balancing of risk/reward. The old way of 'one go only'; once you were stopped, it was use it or lose it would be a big step in the right direction.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
Justin's take on mauls below.
It's been an issue for ages; just now that eveyrone is gravitating to BrumbyBall because it's high percentage rugby, he's waking up. Crusaders have been experts at it for years!
All I want to see with mauls is a re-balancing of risk/reward. The old way of 'one go only'; once you were stopped, it was use it or lose it would be a big step in the right direction.
Mauls are not the only problem ruining the game - just as important is players are allowed to be offside too much, coming in from the side & plenty of forward passes let go... for rugby to be a good watch again the game needs a complete overhaul.
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OK, getting to the pointy end now. It's an 8 team finals series FFS.
So, who's the 4 teams who miss out?
Drua, Moana Pasifica,
then probably Rebels and Force after the AUS/NZ games.insert participation trophy here. Seriously, would a 6 team series not be enough?
https://super.rugby/superrugby/about-super-rugby/tournament-format/
Three-week playoff format involving the top eight teams on the overall competition table with quarters, semis and final as follows:
Quarterfinals – 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 with the top-ranked team hosting
Semi-Finals – top-ranked quarter-final winner hosts against lowest-ranked quarter-final winner & 2nd highest ranked quarterfinal winner hosts 3rd highest ranked winner
Final – top-ranked semi-final winner hosts the other semi-final winner.@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
OK, getting to the pointy end now. It's an 8 team finals series FFS.
So, who's the 4 teams who miss out?
Drua, Moana Pasifica,
then probably Rebels and Force after the AUS/NZ games.insert participation trophy here. Seriously, would a 6 team series not be enough?
https://super.rugby/superrugby/about-super-rugby/tournament-format/
Three-week playoff format involving the top eight teams on the overall competition table with quarters, semis and final as follows:
Quarterfinals – 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 with the top-ranked team hosting
Semi-Finals – top-ranked quarter-final winner hosts against lowest-ranked quarter-final winner & 2nd highest ranked quarterfinal winner hosts 3rd highest ranked winner
Final – top-ranked semi-final winner hosts the other semi-final winner.Funnily enough, I’d enjoy seeing a ‘plate’ or ‘bowl’ for those four teams, as it could be a good way of giving the Drua and MP some experience of sudden death footy. Would also make for three additional games over the finals which would be fun to watch.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
OK, getting to the pointy end now. It's an 8 team finals series FFS.
So, who's the 4 teams who miss out?
Drua, Moana Pasifica,
then probably Rebels and Force after the AUS/NZ games.insert participation trophy here. Seriously, would a 6 team series not be enough?
https://super.rugby/superrugby/about-super-rugby/tournament-format/
Three-week playoff format involving the top eight teams on the overall competition table with quarters, semis and final as follows:
Quarterfinals – 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 with the top-ranked team hosting
Semi-Finals – top-ranked quarter-final winner hosts against lowest-ranked quarter-final winner & 2nd highest ranked quarterfinal winner hosts 3rd highest ranked winner
Final – top-ranked semi-final winner hosts the other semi-final winner.Funnily enough, I’d enjoy seeing a ‘plate’ or ‘bowl’ for those four teams, as it could be a good way of giving the Drua and MP some experience of sudden death footy. Would also make for three additional games over the finals which would be fun to watch.
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
OK, getting to the pointy end now. It's an 8 team finals series FFS.
So, who's the 4 teams who miss out?
Drua, Moana Pasifica,
then probably Rebels and Force after the AUS/NZ games.insert participation trophy here. Seriously, would a 6 team series not be enough?
https://super.rugby/superrugby/about-super-rugby/tournament-format/
Three-week playoff format involving the top eight teams on the overall competition table with quarters, semis and final as follows:
Quarterfinals – 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 with the top-ranked team hosting
Semi-Finals – top-ranked quarter-final winner hosts against lowest-ranked quarter-final winner & 2nd highest ranked quarterfinal winner hosts 3rd highest ranked winner
Final – top-ranked semi-final winner hosts the other semi-final winner.Funnily enough, I’d enjoy seeing a ‘plate’ or ‘bowl’ for those four teams, as it could be a good way of giving the Drua and MP some experience of sudden death footy. Would also make for three additional games over the finals which would be fun to watch.
Splitting into 3 groups of 4- cup,plate, bowl would be amazing to watch. Would love it.
