Super Rugby 2022
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@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
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@Kiwiwomble I think one day we will have to face the reality that we cannot have two entirely separate professional competitions, and we especially cannot sustain a 14 team competition.
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble I think one day we will have to face the reality that we cannot have two entirely separate professional competitions, and we especially cannot sustain a 14 team competition.
i think we've been circling that day for a couple of years already
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
so relegate the bottom teams to the heartland or we thinking the death of some unions?
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@Kiwiwomble I think one day we will have to face the reality that we cannot have two entirely separate professional competitions, and we especially cannot sustain a 14 team competition.
@Tim although the current NPC is semi-pro at best for a good portion of players.
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble I think one day we will have to face the reality that we cannot have two entirely separate professional competitions, and we especially cannot sustain a 14 team competition.
i think we've been circling that day for a couple of years already
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
so relegate the bottom teams to the heartland or we thinking the death of some unions?
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble I think one day we will have to face the reality that we cannot have two entirely separate professional competitions, and we especially cannot sustain a 14 team competition.
i think we've been circling that day for a couple of years already
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
so relegate the bottom teams to the heartland or we thinking the death of some unions?
like 8 people total would miss Southland and Northland. Other shit unions in crap locations like HB, Naki and Manawatu form one side.
Done.
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Nzh paywalled article
Super Rugby Pacific is set to make one giant post-season change by effectively firing Sanzaar as manager of the competition.
The vexed Sydney-based body will be replaced by an independent transtasman governance group that is expected to have a remit to drive commercial revenue for the competition, oversee rules and regulations, shape the future strategic direction and generate fan-first initiatives.
The move is happening as the key initiative in a strategic plan to win back fans and return Super Rugby to being the world's best club competition rather than an elongated trial for the All Blacks and Wallabies.
It is also being viewed as a means to provide Rugby Australia with greater confidence that they should remain part of Super Rugby beyond 2023 – following news that some of their board are keen to pull out in 2024 and build their own domestic competition.
RA chairman Hamish McLennan told Fox Sports that they are strongly considering ending the partnership after 2023.
"We'll honour our commitments in '23 but we need to see what's best for rugby in Australia leading up to the RWC in Australia in '27," McLennan said.
"All bets are off from '24 onwards with NZ."
Parting ways with Sanzaar, which has run, managed and administered Super Rugby since its launch in 1996, is the second biggest change in the competition's history behind the unilateral decision by New Zealand Rugby in 2020 to no longer include South African teams.
The decision to set up a new company to run Super Rugby has been driven by a newfound desire among the national unions of New Zealand and Australia to give the competition a stronger, independent identity and the clubs greater say and control in what they want.
Sanzaar, which runs with a small body of full-time staff based in Sydney, is governed by a nine-person executive committee, eight of whom are the chief executives and chairs of the New Zealand, Australian, South African and Argentinean national unions..
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble I think one day we will have to face the reality that we cannot have two entirely separate professional competitions, and we especially cannot sustain a 14 team competition.
i think we've been circling that day for a couple of years already
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
so relegate the bottom teams to the heartland or we thinking the death of some unions?
like 8 people total would miss Southland and Northland. Other shit unions in crap locations like HB, Naki and Manawatu form one side.
Done.
@mariner4life Reed Prinsep as captain should provide plenty of valuable experience for the Central Vikings.
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@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
Otago@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
OtagoThere would have to be a draft and/or salary cap or it would be like the old NPC and a dominant few teams. For something like this to generate real provincial rivalries and tribalism it needs a level of competitiveness between teams.
The Central Vikings joke shows the problem caused by geography. The 'poo and Welly could combine but then what to do with HB and Naki?North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato +BOP
HB
Naki
Wellington + Manawatu
Ta$man
Canterbury (North of Ashvegas )
Otago (South of Ashvegas) -
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
OtagoThere would have to be a draft and/or salary cap or it would be like the old NPC and a dominant few teams. For something like this to generate real provincial rivalries and tribalism it needs a level of competitiveness between teams.
The Central Vikings joke shows the problem caused by geography. The 'poo and Welly could combine but then what to do with HB and Naki?North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato +BOP
HB
Naki
Wellington + Manawatu
Ta$man
Canterbury (North of Ashvegas )
Otago (South of Ashvegas) -
we've instantly identified the problem we will never sold
in trying to have "no losers" we won't have many winners either
Combining unions will not work. Game sharing, branding, it will all get muddled.
Places are going to have to lose.
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we've instantly identified the problem we will never sold
in trying to have "no losers" we won't have many winners either
Combining unions will not work. Game sharing, branding, it will all get muddled.
Places are going to have to lose.
@mariner4life not like this is the first time we have been over this ground.
That big ol' cheque from Silverlake is coming soon, right? Status quo bro!
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@mariner4life not like this is the first time we have been over this ground.
That big ol' cheque from Silverlake is coming soon, right? Status quo bro!
@taniwharugby I'm glad that the unions have to get a plan approved of how they will spend the money, otherwise I suspect a lot of it would go on magic beans - aka single season wage bill blow outs.
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@mariner4life not like this is the first time we have been over this ground.
That big ol' cheque from Silverlake is coming soon, right? Status quo bro!
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life not like this is the first time we have been over this ground.
That big ol' cheque from Silverlake is coming soon, right? Status quo bro!
yes, you and i certainly have!
This should have been solved all those years ago, but the NZRU lacked the nuts. And so here we are.
10 professional Sides
Expended, fully amateur "heartland" comp that is simply a representative competition for unions and their club players. -
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life not like this is the first time we have been over this ground.
That big ol' cheque from Silverlake is coming soon, right? Status quo bro!
yes, you and i certainly have!
This should have been solved all those years ago, but the NZRU lacked the nuts. And so here we are.
10 professional Sides
Expended, fully amateur "heartland" comp that is simply a representative competition for unions and their club players.@mariner4life problem with the original proposal, it was flawed and about as transparent as a concrete wall.
I'm a realist, and know this thing aint sustainable, and my side, is one that will always be on the block, and if we have to be merged in NH
I'll get over it, eventually, probably, maybe.... -
@mariner4life problem with the original proposal, it was flawed and about as transparent as a concrete wall.
I'm a realist, and know this thing aint sustainable, and my side, is one that will always be on the block, and if we have to be merged in NH
I'll get over it, eventually, probably, maybe....@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life problem with the original proposal, it was flawed and about as transparent as a concrete wall.
I'm a realist, and know this thing aint sustainable, and my side, is one that will always be on the block, and if we have to be merged in NH
I'll get over it, eventually, probably, maybe....look, i get that, i really do. It'll be sad for a few.
But you'll still get to cheer Northland players as they play for Northland against other unions. It's just that the very best guys will graduate to the pro level and play elsewhere.
Same with every other pro sport in the world.(i really hate the idea of "mergers" just bite the fucking bullet)
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wait @taniwharugby you might be saved yet
If we go by population
Auckland 1.7M
Canterbury 650k
Wellington 547k
Waikato 506k
BOP 343k
Otago 247k
Manawatu 257k
Northland 198k
HB 181kHowever if we make a 2nd Auckland team, then HB drop out too, to join
Ta$man 164k
Naki 126k
Southland 102k -
If the Aussies bugger off maybe a 12 to 16 team competition based on provinces and Island teams. Fiji, Samoa and Tonga could have a team each. No forced mergers, allow it to happen organically. Maybe a two tier comp with Pro - Reg.
The current competition is mainly focused on five main centres. There are cities that don't see Super rugby and they don't see their All Blacks play for the province.
When was the last time there was a Super Rugby game in Pukekohe, Whangarei, Albany, Tauranga, Rotorua, Napier, Palmerston North, New Plymouth, Blenheim, Nelson, Invercargill?
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wait @taniwharugby you might be saved yet
If we go by population
Auckland 1.7M
Canterbury 650k
Wellington 547k
Waikato 506k
BOP 343k
Otago 247k
Manawatu 257k
Northland 198k
HB 181kHowever if we make a 2nd Auckland team, then HB drop out too, to join
Ta$man 164k
Naki 126k
Southland 102k@mariner4life Ta$man has to start buying in residents and not just players :cat_face_with_tears_of_joy:
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If the Aussies bugger off maybe a 12 to 16 team competition based on provinces and Island teams. Fiji, Samoa and Tonga could have a team each. No forced mergers, allow it to happen organically. Maybe a two tier comp with Pro - Reg.
The current competition is mainly focused on five main centres. There are cities that don't see Super rugby and they don't see their All Blacks play for the province.
When was the last time there was a Super Rugby game in Pukekohe, Whangarei, Albany, Tauranga, Rotorua, Napier, Palmerston North, New Plymouth, Blenheim, Nelson, Invercargill?
@mikedogz the Blues were down to play the Jaguares up here in April 2020...then the Highlanders in April 2022...
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
The biggest issue with this is making sure club rugby is still supported. Some unions are running with as few as six or eight clubs in their premier ranks. Take a squad of 35 and another 12 or 15 involved at anyone time due to injuries. You're knocking a lot of capacity out. Club rugby around the country would be very anti it.
