Super Rugby 2022
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@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
Otago@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
OtagoThere would have to be a draft and/or salary cap or it would be like the old NPC and a dominant few teams. For something like this to generate real provincial rivalries and tribalism it needs a level of competitiveness between teams.
The Central Vikings joke shows the problem caused by geography. The 'poo and Welly could combine but then what to do with HB and Naki?North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato +BOP
HB
Naki
Wellington + Manawatu
Ta$man
Canterbury (North of Ashvegas )
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
OtagoThere would have to be a draft and/or salary cap or it would be like the old NPC and a dominant few teams. For something like this to generate real provincial rivalries and tribalism it needs a level of competitiveness between teams.
The Central Vikings joke shows the problem caused by geography. The 'poo and Welly could combine but then what to do with HB and Naki?North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato +BOP
HB
Naki
Wellington + Manawatu
Ta$man
Canterbury (North of Ashvegas )
Otago (South of Ashvegas) -
we've instantly identified the problem we will never sold
in trying to have "no losers" we won't have many winners either
Combining unions will not work. Game sharing, branding, it will all get muddled.
Places are going to have to lose.
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we've instantly identified the problem we will never sold
in trying to have "no losers" we won't have many winners either
Combining unions will not work. Game sharing, branding, it will all get muddled.
Places are going to have to lose.
@mariner4life not like this is the first time we have been over this ground.
That big ol' cheque from Silverlake is coming soon, right? Status quo bro!
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@mariner4life not like this is the first time we have been over this ground.
That big ol' cheque from Silverlake is coming soon, right? Status quo bro!
@taniwharugby I'm glad that the unions have to get a plan approved of how they will spend the money, otherwise I suspect a lot of it would go on magic beans - aka single season wage bill blow outs.
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@mariner4life not like this is the first time we have been over this ground.
That big ol' cheque from Silverlake is coming soon, right? Status quo bro!
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life not like this is the first time we have been over this ground.
That big ol' cheque from Silverlake is coming soon, right? Status quo bro!
yes, you and i certainly have!
This should have been solved all those years ago, but the NZRU lacked the nuts. And so here we are.
10 professional Sides
Expended, fully amateur "heartland" comp that is simply a representative competition for unions and their club players. -
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life not like this is the first time we have been over this ground.
That big ol' cheque from Silverlake is coming soon, right? Status quo bro!
yes, you and i certainly have!
This should have been solved all those years ago, but the NZRU lacked the nuts. And so here we are.
10 professional Sides
Expended, fully amateur "heartland" comp that is simply a representative competition for unions and their club players.@mariner4life problem with the original proposal, it was flawed and about as transparent as a concrete wall.
I'm a realist, and know this thing aint sustainable, and my side, is one that will always be on the block, and if we have to be merged in NH
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@mariner4life problem with the original proposal, it was flawed and about as transparent as a concrete wall.
I'm a realist, and know this thing aint sustainable, and my side, is one that will always be on the block, and if we have to be merged in NH
I'll get over it, eventually, probably, maybe....@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life problem with the original proposal, it was flawed and about as transparent as a concrete wall.
I'm a realist, and know this thing aint sustainable, and my side, is one that will always be on the block, and if we have to be merged in NH
I'll get over it, eventually, probably, maybe....look, i get that, i really do. It'll be sad for a few.
But you'll still get to cheer Northland players as they play for Northland against other unions. It's just that the very best guys will graduate to the pro level and play elsewhere.
Same with every other pro sport in the world.(i really hate the idea of "mergers" just bite the fucking bullet)
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wait @taniwharugby you might be saved yet
If we go by population
Auckland 1.7M
Canterbury 650k
Wellington 547k
Waikato 506k
BOP 343k
Otago 247k
Manawatu 257k
Northland 198k
HB 181kHowever if we make a 2nd Auckland team, then HB drop out too, to join
Ta$man 164k
Naki 126k
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If the Aussies bugger off maybe a 12 to 16 team competition based on provinces and Island teams. Fiji, Samoa and Tonga could have a team each. No forced mergers, allow it to happen organically. Maybe a two tier comp with Pro - Reg.
The current competition is mainly focused on five main centres. There are cities that don't see Super rugby and they don't see their All Blacks play for the province.
When was the last time there was a Super Rugby game in Pukekohe, Whangarei, Albany, Tauranga, Rotorua, Napier, Palmerston North, New Plymouth, Blenheim, Nelson, Invercargill?
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wait @taniwharugby you might be saved yet
If we go by population
Auckland 1.7M
Canterbury 650k
Wellington 547k
Waikato 506k
BOP 343k
Otago 247k
Manawatu 257k
Northland 198k
HB 181kHowever if we make a 2nd Auckland team, then HB drop out too, to join
Ta$man 164k
Naki 126k
Southland 102k@mariner4life Ta$man has to start buying in residents and not just players :cat_face_with_tears_of_joy:
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If the Aussies bugger off maybe a 12 to 16 team competition based on provinces and Island teams. Fiji, Samoa and Tonga could have a team each. No forced mergers, allow it to happen organically. Maybe a two tier comp with Pro - Reg.
The current competition is mainly focused on five main centres. There are cities that don't see Super rugby and they don't see their All Blacks play for the province.
When was the last time there was a Super Rugby game in Pukekohe, Whangarei, Albany, Tauranga, Rotorua, Napier, Palmerston North, New Plymouth, Blenheim, Nelson, Invercargill?
@mikedogz the Blues were down to play the Jaguares up here in April 2020...then the Highlanders in April 2022...
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
The biggest issue with this is making sure club rugby is still supported. Some unions are running with as few as six or eight clubs in their premier ranks. Take a squad of 35 and another 12 or 15 involved at anyone time due to injuries. You're knocking a lot of capacity out. Club rugby around the country would be very anti it.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
The biggest issue with this is making sure club rugby is still supported. Some unions are running with as few as six or eight clubs in their premier ranks. Take a squad of 35 and another 12 or 15 involved at anyone time due to injuries. You're knocking a lot of capacity out. Club rugby around the country would be very anti it.
@SouthernMann more than 200 guys currently playing in NZ wouldn't know what colour their club rooms are already.
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@SouthernMann more than 200 guys currently playing in NZ wouldn't know what colour their club rooms are already.
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@SouthernMann more than 200 guys currently playing in NZ wouldn't know what colour their club rooms are already.
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@SouthernMann more than 200 guys currently playing in NZ wouldn't know what colour their club rooms are already.
The top 25 certainly don't play club footy during the Super season. But most of the non playing do. When Super Rugby only impacts five or six unions (including NH), it is fine. When you are taking 25 players away from 10 to 14 unions every week. It will cripple club footy. Then you have extra potential loses like age grade rep comps too.
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WR really needs to step in and protect the game, they shouldn't have let SA go north and they should look NZ and Oz in a room together until they're friends again. The best way rugby works is if there is a strong NH and strong SH competition, but seems like the NH fisheads on WR are happy to see the SH get split up.
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wait @taniwharugby you might be saved yet
If we go by population
Auckland 1.7M
Canterbury 650k
Wellington 547k
Waikato 506k
BOP 343k
Otago 247k
Manawatu 257k
Northland 198k
HB 181kHowever if we make a 2nd Auckland team, then HB drop out too, to join
Ta$man 164k
Naki 126k
Southland 102k@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
However if we make a 2nd Auckland team, then HB drop out too, to join
How can it be justified allocating two teams to the Auckland area when crowd attendances at Counties and North Harbour games are rather small? Using MP as another example of lack of attendance on matchday also does nothing to justify two teams. They probably get way more crowd at Ta$man home games than North Harbour games, although spectators are probably paid appearance and travelling fees to turn up at Trafalgar Park.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
However if we make a 2nd Auckland team, then HB drop out too, to join
How can it be justified allocating two teams to the Auckland area when crowd attendances at Counties and North Harbour games are rather small? Using MP as another example of lack of attendance on matchday also does nothing to justify two teams. They probably get way more crowd at Ta$man home games than North Harbour games, although spectators are probably paid appearance and travelling fees to turn up at Trafalgar Park.
