Super Rugby 2022
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
oh, good, and we're back here
Play amongst themselves? That will only make them stronger.....
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble I think one day we will have to face the reality that we cannot have two entirely separate professional competitions, and we especially cannot sustain a 14 team competition.
i think we've been circling that day for a couple of years already
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
you wouldn't have both, and maybe we would have a structure that makes sense. So the NPC is now played March to the end of September or something (including international breaks)
so relegate the bottom teams to the heartland or we thinking the death of some unions?
like 8 people total would miss Southland and Northland. Other shit unions in crap locations like HB, Naki and Manawatu form one side.
Done.
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Listened to Tim Horan being interviewed yesterday and he said it would be the worst move OZ rugby could make. Without getting into the economics of it, his main point was the quality of opposition for the OZ teams. He said they need to play against the NZ teams and he likes the expansion with MP and Drua.
What is happening is not perfect and things have moved on significantly since the hey day of the old Super 12 (the peak for me - Super 14 and 15 nah), but there were some positives/lessons that still stand true today - don’t expand too quickly - don’t drag the season out too long - don’t have experimental laws - vary the venues / take to regions in both OZ and NZ.
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Listened to Tim Horan being interviewed yesterday and he said it would be the worst move OZ rugby could make. Without getting into the economics of it, his main point was the quality of opposition for the OZ teams. He said they need to play against the NZ teams and he likes the expansion with MP and Drua.
What is happening is not perfect and things have moved on significantly since the hey day of the old Super 12 (the peak for me - Super 14 and 15 nah), but there were some positives/lessons that still stand true today - don’t expand too quickly - don’t drag the season out too long - don’t have experimental laws - vary the venues / take to regions in both OZ and NZ.
@ACT-Crusader said in Super Rugby 2022:
vary the venues / take to regions in both OZ and NZ
i assume this doesn't happen because season tickets and memberships are too valuable.
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Listened to Tim Horan being interviewed yesterday and he said it would be the worst move OZ rugby could make. Without getting into the economics of it, his main point was the quality of opposition for the OZ teams. He said they need to play against the NZ teams and he likes the expansion with MP and Drua.
What is happening is not perfect and things have moved on significantly since the hey day of the old Super 12 (the peak for me - Super 14 and 15 nah), but there were some positives/lessons that still stand true today - don’t expand too quickly - don’t drag the season out too long - don’t have experimental laws - vary the venues / take to regions in both OZ and NZ.
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@ACT-Crusader Horan is a bit of an idiot. Wouldn't be basing future decisions on anything he has to say.
@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Horan is a bit of an idiot. Wouldn't be basing future decisions on anything he has to say.
I think most people would agree with Horan's comments. You're about the only person (on here) constantly banging on about how Aus teams shouldn't play NZ teams.
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@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Horan is a bit of an idiot. Wouldn't be basing future decisions on anything he has to say.
I think most people would agree with Horan's comments. You're about the only person (on here) constantly banging on about how Aus teams shouldn't play NZ teams.
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Horan is a bit of an idiot. Wouldn't be basing future decisions on anything he has to say.
I think most people would agree with Horan's comments. You're about the only person constantly banging on about how Aus teams shouldn't play NZ teams.
You obviously haven't popped your head into any ozzie rugby sites. It's a pretty widespread opinion over there
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@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Horan is a bit of an idiot. Wouldn't be basing future decisions on anything he has to say.
I think most people would agree with Horan's comments. You're about the only person constantly banging on about how Aus teams shouldn't play NZ teams.
You obviously haven't popped your head into any ozzie rugby sites. It's a pretty widespread opinion over there
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Horan is a bit of an idiot. Wouldn't be basing future decisions on anything he has to say.
I think most people would agree with Horan's comments. You're about the only person constantly banging on about how Aus teams shouldn't play NZ teams.
You obviously haven't popped your head into any ozzie rugby sites. It's a pretty widespread opinion over there
Nope, none.
I'll re-edit my post then.
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@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Horan is a bit of an idiot. Wouldn't be basing future decisions on anything he has to say.
I think most people would agree with Horan's comments. You're about the only person constantly banging on about how Aus teams shouldn't play NZ teams.
You obviously haven't popped your head into any ozzie rugby sites. It's a pretty widespread opinion over there
@Machpants yeah, i think its easy for kiwis to looks at super rugby as this show piece because we still have the NPC to develop players, obviously less than before but its still there, quite different in Aus, as i said earlier there is effectively nothing between club and super rugby over here so the idea of a more level playing field is attractive to lots
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@Machpants yeah, i think its easy for kiwis to looks at super rugby as this show piece because we still have the NPC to develop players, obviously less than before but its still there, quite different in Aus, as i said earlier there is effectively nothing between club and super rugby over here so the idea of a more level playing field is attractive to lots
@Kiwiwomble I take my hat off to Oz rugby for trying things like the MARC etc but it’s damn hard to get the necessary traction to make it economically viable in a crowded Oz winter sports market.
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@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Horan is a bit of an idiot. Wouldn't be basing future decisions on anything he has to say.
I think most people would agree with Horan's comments. You're about the only person constantly banging on about how Aus teams shouldn't play NZ teams.
You obviously haven't popped your head into any ozzie rugby sites. It's a pretty widespread opinion over there
Nope, none.
I'll re-edit my post then.
@Nepia most people want a domestic comp. I don't get this weird thing where everyone keeps telling us what we actually want. SR has never had great buy in here.
Edit: and I still think Aus teams should play Kiwi teams - it just shouldn't be the entire comp. Champions cup style crossover would be my preference.
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So, if we lose the Australian teams, what is the option?
I'd consider setting up a 12 team competition (10 NZ sides, MP, Drua or another South Pacific team) to replace Super/NPC.
We could then try to get a competition going with the Japanese league one teams with a cross over tournament (Championship, bowl, plate).
We could add Oz teams as well, but if they walk out on us, I'd try to fuck them up and leave them isolated by closing off Japan from them, and leaving them 100% in the cold.
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@Kiwiwomble I take my hat off to Oz rugby for trying things like the MARC etc but it’s damn hard to get the necessary traction to make it economically viable in a crowded Oz winter sports market.
@ACT-Crusader said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble I take my hat off to Oz rugby for trying things like the MARC etc but it’s damn hard to get the necessary traction to make it economically viable in a crowded Oz winter sports market.
my wild speculation is they might think they can use RWC money to bankroll a new competition until (if?) it becomes sustainable...not sure we would see this kind of thing if they hadn't won the RWC
@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Nepia most people want a domestic comp. I don't get this weird thing where everyone keeps telling us what we actually want. SR has never had great buy in here.
Edit: and I still think Aus teams should play Kiwi teams - it just shouldn't be the entire comp. Champions cup style crossover would be my preference.
thats the key point i think, still have some spectacle for a couple of weeks...but with something behind it to actually grow talent and interest
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Remember RA are also looking at Private Equity options just like NZR/Silver Lake - I wonder if that's where the funding comes from for a domestic Aus comp/potential new Aus teams.
@KiwiMurph apparently silverlake and CVC are both interested. Silverlake on the basis SR is committed to and CVC with different ideas.
Anecdotal tho.
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@Nepia most people want a domestic comp. I don't get this weird thing where everyone keeps telling us what we actually want. SR has never had great buy in here.
Edit: and I still think Aus teams should play Kiwi teams - it just shouldn't be the entire comp. Champions cup style crossover would be my preference.
@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Nepia most people want a domestic comp. I don't get this weird thing where everyone keeps telling us what we actually want. SR has never had great buy in here.
Edit: and I still think Aus teams should play Kiwi teams - it just shouldn't be the entire comp. Champions cup style crossover would be my preference.
I know Super rugby has dropped in popularuty Derpus, but I lived in Aus from 1996 until a couple of years back, and it was incredibly popular up to expansion yeams, and even in Qld where I was there were bloody great crowds up too a few years back
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we've instantly identified the problem we will never sold
in trying to have "no losers" we won't have many winners either
Combining unions will not work. Game sharing, branding, it will all get muddled.
Places are going to have to lose.
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
we've instantly identified the problem we will never sold
in trying to have "no losers" we won't have many winners either
Combining unions will not work. Game sharing, branding, it will all get muddled.
Places are going to have to lose.
You're talking about winning and losing and then start blathering about having teams based on population - the ultimate in rewarding participation!!!
Let's reward the most successful unions. Then the only question is whether Ta$man gets two teams...
