Super Rugby 2022
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@gt12 I’ve seen a lot of comments about hunt coming in ruining his career, displacing him
Hunt mainly played 15 and covered 10 in SRA 2020 and ioane 10…and he just didn’t fire, hints just plane outplayed him over the last couple of seasons
I’d like to think Otago/highlanders made him as much as anything
Sorry, in my post, I meant since Hunt came on board as Otago and the Landers did well to give him an opportunity and get him noticed. But then it was clear that they wanted competition for the 10 spot, and it doesn't seem to have worked the way they wanted (or did it?).
I don't rate his defense, I do rate his passing, his running comes and goes, and his kicking can be atrocious and brilliant within 2 minutes (so he'll probably fit in well at the Chiefs!) but I feel that if he committed to his talent he could be very very good.
I also wonder if this is related to Tony Brown playing less and less of a role at the Landers. Joane doesn't seem to be the roll up your sleeves, kick for the corners, Landers style of 10. As you mentioned, Gatland and others have suited their style, although they were only champions when they had a guy who could light things up a bit.
@gt12 all pretty fair..although I’m not sure tony was a role up the sleeves kick for the corners 10 and he defiantly isn’t that type of coach, he famously came up with Limas face back kick over the head move
Tony’s still head coach next year isn’t he?
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@gt12 all pretty fair..although I’m not sure tony was a role up the sleeves kick for the corners 10 and he defiantly isn’t that type of coach, he famously came up with Limas face back kick over the head move
Tony’s still head coach next year isn’t he?
Brown is on record as saying he is willing to step away as Head coach and let Dermody take over in 2022, and I don't think you have him at all in 2023. He's not contracted by NZR.
I also don't think that Brown is that kind of coach, but I'm not sure about his replacements,. Also, the Landers have been been a team that kicks a lot, and that may be another thing which may make a player such as Joane less valuable (given that his passing/running game is his best feature).
This is just idle speculation of course, it's the fern. But, I'm interested in why he would leave as I don't think that MP will be a better team than the Landers. But, starting at 10 and playing a run game that suits your style might make some sense.
Edit: it could also be that the Landers booted him for partying, I doubt we will know.
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Apologies if this has already been covered above... but does MP have any significance in terms of national team eligibility, or is it pretty much a 6th NZ Super team?
e.g. currently to get selected for the ABs you need to play for one of the 5 NZ teams. Will that remain the same, or can they select MP players?
@gibbonrib said in Super Rugby 2022:
Apologies if this has already been covered above... but does MP have any significance in terms of national team eligibility, or is it pretty much a 6th NZ Super team?
e.g. currently to get selected for the ABs you need to play for one of the 5 NZ teams. Will that remain the same, or can they select MP players?
As far as we know, ABs won't be selected from MP, anymore than they will from Drua or Ozzie teams. MP are going to operate similar to NZ SRP teams, in that most will have to be eligible for Samoa/Tonga, bu there will be a limited number for those that are capped elsewhere/not Pacific Islands qual - trying to get some almost retiring stars, I guess, a bit of experience.
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We’ll that’s annoying and not good for MP as he might have been the kind of player to kick start them
I wonder if the landers see Sam Gilbert as a back up 10
Some poor planner seeing as gatland left to get more time at 10 with the chiefs too
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I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
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We’ll that’s annoying and not good for MP as he might have been the kind of player to kick start them
I wonder if the landers see Sam Gilbert as a back up 10
Some poor planner seeing as gatland left to get more time at 10 with the chiefs too
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
We’ll that’s annoying and not good for MP as he might have been the kind of player to kick start them
I wonder if the landers see Sam Gilbert as a back up 10
Some poor planner seeing as gatland left to get more time at 10 with the chiefs too
I'm surprised, but also pleased, because once it became clear that Dmac was off, we were left without a Super quality first five (or at least one that suits our fast-paced gameplan), so he is a good addition. I imagine it may also mean that the Chiefs are not that confident of getting Dmac back (although this could be only a one-year deal).
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I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
Dammit! I'm trying to see what the name is?? What are they calling it?
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@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
Dammit! I'm trying to see what the name is?? What are they calling it?
@hooroo said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
Dammit! I'm trying to see what the name is?? What are they calling it?
Super Rugby Pacific
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I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
The franchises need a minimum of 6 homes games each year to be financially viable. This format guarantees 7 home games. The problem with the extra 3 games is that if the NZ teams play only NZ teams, it's not that different from SRA, and we heard the criticism of playing so many high intensity games.
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I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
this ^^
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I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
No way do we want an Argentinian team, too much travel for one team. Two Japanese and a USA team would be ideal.
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@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
No way do we want an Argentinian team, too much travel for one team. Two Japanese and a USA team would be ideal.
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
No way do we want an Argentinian team, too much travel for one team. Two Japanese and a USA team would be ideal.
Isn't travelling to and from the US just like travelling to and from Argentina?
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@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
No way do we want an Argentinian team, too much travel for one team. Two Japanese and a USA team would be ideal.
Isn't travelling to and from the US just like travelling to and from Argentina?
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
No way do we want an Argentinian team, too much travel for one team. Two Japanese and a USA team would be ideal.
Isn't travelling to and from the US just like travelling to and from Argentina?
Not really, US is one flight - a big difference.
And I want to go to a canes match in Hawaii!
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@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
No way do we want an Argentinian team, too much travel for one team. Two Japanese and a USA team would be ideal.
Isn't travelling to and from the US just like travelling to and from Argentina?
Not really, US is one flight - a big difference.
And I want to go to a canes match in Hawaii!
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
No way do we want an Argentinian team, too much travel for one team. Two Japanese and a USA team would be ideal.
Isn't travelling to and from the US just like travelling to and from Argentina?
Not really, US is one flight - a big difference.
And I want to go to a canes match in Hawaii!
i thought pre COVID there were direct flights from Auckland to Buenos Aires?
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@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kirwan said in Super Rugby 2022:
I like the new SR comp with one exception, remove the 3 random games.
I'd also like to see an old style top 5 instead of practically everyone making the finals. Alternative is those three games get replaced by a Japanese team, an Argie team and one form the US. If the US teams isn't strong enough, maybe have two from Japan?
8 finalists out of 15 would be better, otherwise 5 of 12 is good.
Like the name.
No way do we want an Argentinian team, too much travel for one team. Two Japanese and a USA team would be ideal.
Isn't travelling to and from the US just like travelling to and from Argentina?
Not really, US is one flight - a big difference.
And I want to go to a canes match in Hawaii!
i thought pre COVID there were direct flights from Auckland to Buenos Aires?
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I don't quite get why some people are keen to add US or Jap teams to the comp. The rugby is of a very average standard overthere, esp. the USA. It would mean more boring, one-sided matches, esp if they play the NZ teams. It would make sense if there was a two-division SR comp; they could enter in the second division and try to climb their way up. But in a one-tier comp, no thanks.
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I don't quite get why some people are keen to add US or Jap teams to the comp. The rugby is of a very average standard overthere, esp. the USA. It would mean more boring, one-sided matches, esp if they play the NZ teams. It would make sense if there was a two-division SR comp; they could enter in the second division and try to climb their way up. But in a one-tier comp, no thanks.
@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
I don't quite get why some people are keen to add US or Jap teams to the comp. The rugby is of a very average standard overthere, esp. the USA. It would mean more boring, one-sided matches, esp if they play the NZ teams. It would make sense if there was a two-division SR comp; they could enter in the second division and try to climb their way up. But in a one-tier comp, no thanks.
If we had the top 2 teams from Japan, they'd be mid table competitive - certainly vs MP, FD and Oz plus whichever is the shit team of the year for NZ
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NZ Herald article stating what I thought 2 of the 3 extra games will be local derbies, MP and FD will play each other twice in the first season.
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
NZ Herald article stating what I thought 2 of the 3 extra games will be local derbies, MP and FD will play each other twice in the first season.
Also, I believe that MP is considered a local derby for the NZ teams, and FD for the Aust teams.
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I don't quite get why some people are keen to add US or Jap teams to the comp. The rugby is of a very average standard overthere, esp. the USA. It would mean more boring, one-sided matches, esp if they play the NZ teams. It would make sense if there was a two-division SR comp; they could enter in the second division and try to climb their way up. But in a one-tier comp, no thanks.
@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
I don't quite get why some people are keen to add US or Jap teams to the comp. The rugby is of a very average standard overthere, esp. the USA. It would mean more boring, one-sided matches, esp if they play the NZ teams. It would make sense if there was a two-division SR comp; they could enter in the second division and try to climb their way up. But in a one-tier comp, no thanks.
Because this comp is about improving the future. If we wanted a strong comp we would be dropping two Aussie teams and certainly wouldn't have the Fiji and MP teams.
Seeing as that ship has sailed, this is an opporuntity to build stronger links with Japan (good for us) and try and expand into the US market.
Just to be clear, this SRP will have lopsided games already. What adding teams would do is get rid of the flaw that existed with the old conference system, too many derbies that the fans and players didn't like. Just a different type of boring.
Weaker teams allows the squads to try out new players as well, so an interest angle there.
