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    Dynasty sport trying to throw some shade

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    • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

      @higgins I’ve got a weird feeling about this one, I hope we win by 30+ but I think it will be closer than that.

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      @canes4life said in Super Rugby 2022:

      @higgins I’ve got a weird feeling about this one, I hope we win by 30+ but I think it will be closer than that.

      Ye of little confidence in Captain Prinsep's leadership skills.

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      • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

        Dynasty sport trying to throw some shade

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        @kiwiwomble former Blues social media guy now does Dynasty socials.

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          I take it the Kiwi franchises only found out it was heritage round on Monday?

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            For a professional sport, rugby administration can act pretty amateur at times

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              #986

              Round 7: Sunday, 3 April: Hurricanes v Chiefs, Sky Stadium, Wellington, 3.35pm – Postponed from Round 5

              Round 8: Friday, 8 April: Highlanders v Moana Pasifika, Forsyth Barr Stadium, 7.05pm – Postponed from Round 5. Saturday, 9 April: Hurricanes v Crusaders, Sky Stadium, Wellington, 4.35pm – Moved from Friday 8 April
              Can start making plans Yehaa!!
              Round 9: Tuesday, 12 April: Hurricanes v Moana Pasifika, Sky Stadium, Wellington, 7.05pm – Postponed from Round 4. Friday, 15 April: Crusaders v Blues, Orangetheory Stadium, Christchurch, 7.05pm – Postponed from Round 5. Saturday, 16 April: Chiefs v Moana Pasifika, FMG Stadium, Waikato, 4.35pm – Moved from Friday 15 April

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              • BonesB Bones

                I take it the Kiwi franchises only found out it was heritage round on Monday?

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                @bones said in Super Rugby 2022:

                I take it the Kiwi franchises only found out it was heritage round on Monday?

                when they saw my post in here

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                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/128185623/kiwi-coach-simon-cron-turns-down-steve-hansen-to-take-over-western-force-super-rugby-job

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                    Tom Banks issued warning as Dane Zander receives suspension for high tackle

                    https://twitter.com/StanSportRugby/status/1507323589401317377

                    Couldn't find a clip of Zander's tackle.

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                    • StargazerS Stargazer

                      Tom Banks issued warning as Dane Zander receives suspension for high tackle

                      https://twitter.com/StanSportRugby/status/1507323589401317377

                      Couldn't find a clip of Zander's tackle.

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                      @stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:

                      Tom Banks issued warning as Dane Zander receives suspension for high tackle

                      https://twitter.com/StanSportRugby/status/1507323589401317377

                      Couldn't find a clip of Zander's tackle.

                      It's difficult to escape the perception that the Australian judiciary is outright cheating at times. There's no mitigating circumstances in Banks' tackle except his own incompetence.

                      All this will do is further confuse the application of the laws in the eyes of the viewing public who will rightly deduce this process is an arbitrary joke.

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                      • antipodeanA antipodean

                        @stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:

                        Tom Banks issued warning as Dane Zander receives suspension for high tackle

                        https://twitter.com/StanSportRugby/status/1507323589401317377

                        Couldn't find a clip of Zander's tackle.

                        It's difficult to escape the perception that the Australian judiciary is outright cheating at times. There's no mitigating circumstances in Banks' tackle except his own incompetence.

                        All this will do is further confuse the application of the laws in the eyes of the viewing public who will rightly deduce this process is an arbitrary joke.

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                        @antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:

                        @stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:

                        Tom Banks issued warning as Dane Zander receives suspension for high tackle

                        https://twitter.com/StanSportRugby/status/1507323589401317377

                        Couldn't find a clip of Zander's tackle.

                        It's difficult to escape the perception that the Australian judiciary is outright cheating at times. There's no mitigating circumstances in Banks' tackle except his own incompetence.

                        All this will do is further confuse the application of the laws in the eyes of the viewing public who will rightly deduce this process is an arbitrary joke.

                        For a second there I thought you were talking about the NRL judiciary

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                        • canefanC canefan

                          @antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:

                          @stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:

                          Tom Banks issued warning as Dane Zander receives suspension for high tackle

                          https://twitter.com/StanSportRugby/status/1507323589401317377

                          Couldn't find a clip of Zander's tackle.

                          It's difficult to escape the perception that the Australian judiciary is outright cheating at times. There's no mitigating circumstances in Banks' tackle except his own incompetence.

                          All this will do is further confuse the application of the laws in the eyes of the viewing public who will rightly deduce this process is an arbitrary joke.

                          For a second there I thought you were talking about the NRL judiciary

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                          @canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:

                          @antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:

                          @stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:

                          Tom Banks issued warning as Dane Zander receives suspension for high tackle

                          https://twitter.com/StanSportRugby/status/1507323589401317377

                          Couldn't find a clip of Zander's tackle.

                          It's difficult to escape the perception that the Australian judiciary is outright cheating at times. There's no mitigating circumstances in Banks' tackle except his own incompetence.

                          All this will do is further confuse the application of the laws in the eyes of the viewing public who will rightly deduce this process is an arbitrary joke.

                          For a second there I thought you were talking about the NRL judiciary

                          The brain damaged work there. They aren't clever enough to actively cheat. And the dumbest work in the bunker...

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                          • antipodeanA antipodean

                            @stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:

                            Tom Banks issued warning as Dane Zander receives suspension for high tackle

                            https://twitter.com/StanSportRugby/status/1507323589401317377

                            Couldn't find a clip of Zander's tackle.

                            It's difficult to escape the perception that the Australian judiciary is outright cheating at times. There's no mitigating circumstances in Banks' tackle except his own incompetence.

                            All this will do is further confuse the application of the laws in the eyes of the viewing public who will rightly deduce this process is an arbitrary joke.

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                            yourmatenate
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                            @antipodean
                            The Aussie judiciary consisting of someone from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa? There’s only so many things you can pin on us 😂

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                            • Y yourmatenate

                              @antipodean
                              The Aussie judiciary consisting of someone from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa? There’s only so many things you can pin on us 😂

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                              @yourmatenate said in Super Rugby 2022:

                              @antipodean
                              The Aussie judiciary consisting of someone from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa? There’s only so many things you can pin on us 😂

                              Then you're operating in cahoots with the Saffer.

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                                #995

                                That is a terrible decision when taking into account the purpose of the law.
                                So the QC has found a shot that when slowed frame by frame shows some contact with the shoulder milliseconds before the head clash. The fact that the head clash was going to happen anyway makes this very different to 'riding up'
                                Banks was looking to make an upright tackle at speed. Extremely high risk whether there was minimal shoulder contact first or Pulu cut down the space slightly. Banks was simply out of control.
                                Lawyers eh?

                                It's like claiming that it wasn't really a kick to the head because the boot grazed an arm on the way or a punch deflected off the shoulder on the way to a KO.
                                Just dumb.

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                                  #996

                                  Another great pair article on rugby pass, about how passive NZ super teams defences are. Entertaining, but not great indicator versus the ferocious defence at test level.

                                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/analysis-there-arent-really-dominant-defences-in-new-zealands-super-rugby-teams

                                  The defences in New Zealand, for whatever reason, are built to bend with the aim of not breaking. They make a ton of tackles with a high completion rate, trying to absorb pressure and then try to the turn ball over after giving up a lot of ground. As such, it is generally always a pretty game to watch

                                  (saders v chiefs)The opening try to Cullen Grace less than 10 minutes into the contest illustrates just how passive New Zealand’s defences can be at times, and why a skilled 12 like David Havili can do things in Super Rugby he cannot get away with at test level.

                                  Havili can get away with this kind of unconventional line running against Bryn Gatland and Quinn Tupaea, a 10-12 combination on the smaller size, in order to get front-foot ball for the Crusaders.

                                  You can not do this against an elite test side, however. Havili would be blindsided by a more physical 12 and rag-dolled against a top test side for this, like he was against the Springboks last year

                                  Key to the ABs problems, cos they defend similarly, and give selectors poor indicators of player's abilities

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                                    The opening try to Cullen Grace less than 10 minutes into the contest illustrates just how passive New Zealand’s defences can be at times, and why a skilled 12 like David Havili can do things in Super Rugby he cannot get away with at test level.

                                    The defence is only part of this. The NZ SR sides all set up deeper than the AB's

                                    So Havili, who is still new to the position, not only faces a quicker defensive line but is asked to play flatter. We either need more variety in the tactics of the NZ SR sides or the AB's should have a similar attack setup

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                                      According to that article, Solomone Kata is the only 12 playing in NZ SR who has sufficient power, physicality and size. If that is true, AB coaches have to design a game plan that works with the less physical, powerful players they have. As @Duluth says, in SR, five eighths are standing deeper. The ABs game plan suggest they have to play flatter. This is just one example of how the AB coaches don't get the best out of their players. If you don't have players to suit a certain game plan, find an effective game plan that uses the strengths of the players you have. We don't have to play like the NH, if we can find an other effective way of dealing with their defence. What we've seen from Foster and co isn't working, so innovate, adapt and do things differently.

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                                      • StargazerS Stargazer

                                        According to that article, Solomone Kata is the only 12 playing in NZ SR who has sufficient power, physicality and size. If that is true, AB coaches have to design a game plan that works with the less physical, powerful players they have. As @Duluth says, in SR, five eighths are standing deeper. The ABs game plan suggest they have to play flatter. This is just one example of how the AB coaches don't get the best out of their players. If you don't have players to suit a certain game plan, find an effective game plan that uses the strengths of the players you have. We don't have to play like the NH, if we can find an other effective way of dealing with their defence. What we've seen from Foster and co isn't working, so innovate, adapt and do things differently.

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                                        @stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:

                                        According to that article, Solomone Kata is the only 12 playing in NZ SR who has sufficient power, physicality and size.

                                        That's not quite what the article said. The article compared Kata to the 12s who played in the NZ teams last weekend - Tupaea, Gregory, Havili and Walden - but it didn't name check all NZ 12s. It didn't mention Heem (fair enough cos he is not going to factor into test footy and isn't really a 12). There are the likes of TUJ, PUJ around.

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                                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                          @stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:

                                          According to that article, Solomone Kata is the only 12 playing in NZ SR who has sufficient power, physicality and size.

                                          That's not quite what the article said. The article compared Kata to the 12s who played in the NZ teams last weekend - Tupaea, Gregory, Havili and Walden - but it didn't name check all NZ 12s. It didn't mention Heem (fair enough cos he is not going to factor into test footy and isn't really a 12). There are the likes of TUJ, PUJ around.

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                                          @kiwimurph The U-Js get injured all the time. I wouldn't count on them as physical 12s, especially at test level.

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